Thread: Suspected intruder stabbed to death in Bramhall burglary

Originally Posted by FarangRed

Police were searching for the second intruder, who fled the scene in a white Citroen van parked nearby.

Mabe the survivor can use the choice of getaway vehicle in mitigation

He had a northern accent, i haven't a clue either

its perfectly clear,

"f'a blorks defendin is orm thats raht, if summun comes inna maa orm 'n me waahfs there ad kill im storn ded its meorim, thats t'point"

^ That's made things a good deal clearer, thanks

Revealed: The lifetime of crime of knifed ‘burglar’ killed in Bramhall home ‘raid’


Raymond Jacob died during the alleged raid at the house in Bramhall

A suspected burglar fatally stabbed by a householder ‘in self-defence’ had been jailed at least eight times, it has emerged.
Raymond Jacob, 37, had a string of previous convictions dating back to the 1990s. Jacob was stabbed to death during an alleged raid at the Bramhall home of businessman Vincent Cooke, 39.
Mr Cooke was arrested on suspicion of murder, telling detectives he had acted in self-defence.
The father-of-one was released on police bail pending further enquires.
Today it emerged that Jacob had been locked up on many occasions from the age of just 21, when he was sent to a young offenders’ institution for six months for stealing a car.
He went on to serve at least seven other custodial sentences for theft, burglary, assault and robbery offences in Greater Manchester.
The longest jail term handed to him was 30 months for a burglary.
He was also separately handed eight weeks in jail for theft, five months for robbery, five months for assault, four months for burglary and another four months for burglary.
Jacob was also jailed for 18 months after beating up a stranger during a night out in 1999.
He admitted grievous bodily harm when he appeared at Mold Crown Court following the incident in Handforth, near Wilmslow.
Yesterday Michael Anthony Thorpe, 33, of Outwood Road, Heald Green, appeared before Stockport magistrates accused of aggravated burglary at Mr Cooke’s home on Saturday night.
He was remanded in custody and the case was sent to Minshull Street Crown Court for trial on December 2.

Seems to me a job well done,saved the tax payer plenty of cash as the robber was a habitual criminal.
We should pay the bloke they tried to rob a reward for ridding us of a thieving scum bag.

^ or at least all chip in for the bail money

It is a sad reflection on sentencing guidelines that allowed this persistant offender to commit crime after crime, especially ones that involve burglary and violence with virtually no deterent.

A custodial sentence lasting a mere few months for such serious offences is undoubtedly sending a message to habitual criminals that crime, does indeed pay.

The good citizens of the nation deserve to be protected from such immoral people for it is they that are paying due taxes into the system.

The people of Britain heard from the last labour government that they would be 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'.

Now, if being 'tough on crime' means locking someone up that has committed a serious offence for a mere few months, then that government has clearly lost it's way.

If non payment of fines can ultimately lead to longer sentencing it is inconceivable that a serious re-offender could possibly serve less.

Imo, this mans death is indirectly the cause of lenient sentencing, indeed if he were alive he may well be agreeing.

The nation can only hope that such cases as this are highlighted and a review of sentencing guidelines for serial/serious offenders is made a priority. if not then i suspect with homeowners now seemingly taking much of the responsibility upon themselves when confronted with burglars such headlines may become commonplace.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

It is a sad reflection on sentencing guidelines that allowed this persistant offender to commit crime after crime, especially ones that involve burglary and violence with virtually no deterent.

A custodial sentence lasting a mere few months for such serious offences is undoubtedly sending a message to habitual criminals that crime, does indeed pay.

The good citizens of the nation deserve to be protected from such immoral people for it is they that are paying due taxes into the system.

The people of Britain heard from the last labour government that they would be 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'.

Now, if being 'tough on crime' means locking someone up that has committed a serious offence for a mere few months, then that government has clearly lost it's way.

If non payment of fines can ultimately lead to longer sentencing it is inconceivable that a serious re-offender could possibly serve less.

Imo, this mans death is indirectly the cause of lenient sentencing, indeed if he were alive he may well be agreeing.

The nation can only hope that such cases as this are highlighted and a review of sentencing guidelines for serial/serious offenders is made a priority. if not then i suspect with homeowners now seemingly taking much of the responsibility upon themselves when confronted with burglars such headlines may become commonplace.

As I've said before, if they made prison a miserable fucking place to be, that perhaps people would be less inclined to commit crimes and risk returning.

Start by removing all TV and Internet, any luxuries, and make my ex-wife do all the cooking.

^ Even Norman Stanley Fletcher got 5 years back in the 70's

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

^ Even Norman Stanley Fletcher got 5 years back in the 70's

but he was a residivist, and Slade Prison isnøt open anymore !

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

As I've said before, if they made prison a miserable fucking place to be, that perhaps people would be less inclined to commit crimes and risk returning. Start by removing all TV and Internet, any luxuries, and make my ex-wife do all the cooking.

yeah, and stop them taking drugs and having gay sex

Self-defence question over stabbing

A MAN who fatally stabbed a home intruder armed with a stun gun could be charged as police investigate whether he acted in self-defence.
Donald Brooke, 54, was in his back shed when a 30-year-old man broke into his Yagoona home on Tuesday afternoon.
When he went inside, Mr Brooke was threatened with a stun gun and then struggled with the invader, allegedly stabbing him in the chest and back.



The thief, from Canley Vale, ran out of the home, into a waiting car and was later found by an ambulance alone in Fairfield. He was taken to hospital in a critical condition but died that night.
Police have spoken with Mr Brooke but have not formally interviewed him and the homicide squad is involved in the investigation.
Chief Superintendent Peter Gillam would not speculate on whether Mr Brooke would face charges but said self-defence was a line of inquiry. ''We have to put ourselves in the mind of the person at the time and what that person perceives, what he fears, what he considers appropriate at the time,'' he said.
Mr Brooke's lawyer, Ali Hallani, said his client was traumatised but was being supported by family and friends.
A neighbour, who did not want to be identified, said the intruder had knocked on her door about 2.30pm on Tuesday.
''I had never seen him before, but he just wanted to know if any Iraqi people lived in the area,'' she said. ''Then I looked through the window and saw him go into a driveway.''
Another resident, identified only as John, said break-ins were not common in the street. ''But there is always something happening in this area; there is definitely a police presence,'' he said.
Police yesterday spoke with two men from Auburn about the incident but both were released.

These scumbags deserve everything they get.

The family of the suspected intruder stabbed to death by a householder have paid tribute to him.
Raymond Jacob, 37, died after suffering knife wounds during an alleged raid at the home of businessman Vincent Cooke, 39, in Bramhall, Stockport.
Mr Cooke, who said he stabbed Jacobs in self-defence, was arrested on suspicion of murder and has since been bailed.
In a statement released by police, Mr Jacobs’ family, who knew him as Ray, said: "We would like to express our distress at what has happened. Ray has had a drug problem in the past.
"However, Ray has been clean from drugs for many years and remained out of prison.
"Raymond has made a beautiful home and been hoping in recent weeks to get a full time job. Raymond was caring and loving to his family.
"Ray spent hours with his dog, which he idolised and spent time tending to his fish pond. Ray's family and friends are devastated at the loss of Raymond."
The statement went on to say that it was 'unclear' why Jacobs had been in Mr Cooke’s house when he died on Saturday evening, and that he would be deeply missed by his family and those who knew him.
Mr Jacobs’ family is supporting the police enquiry into how he died, the statement added, and appealed for people with information to contact the police.
Earlier this week, it emerged that Mr Jacobs had a string of convictions stretching back to the 1990s, including theft, burglary, assault and robbery.

Jewish kunt

Originally Posted by FarangRed

The statement went on to say that it was 'unclear' why Jacobs had been in Mr Cooke’s house when he died on Saturday evening

Burglary maybe?

He didnt stop by for a piss

In the clear: Bramhall man who stabbed 'intruder' to death in act of self-defence speaks of his 'nightmare'


Vincent Cooke (left) will not face charges over the death of suspected intruder Raymond Jacob



A dad was today cleared of killing a suspected burglar because he acted in self-defence - and told how he still has nightmares about the drama.


Vincent Cooke, 39, stabbed Raymond Jacob, 37, to death at his home in Bramhall last month.
Now Mr Cooke has been told he will NOT face charges after the Crown Prosecution Service ruled they were satisfied he had acted in 'reasonable self-defence'.


It is the third time this year a Greater Manchester householder has faced no further action after an intruder was killed in their home.
Mr Cooke, a dad-of-one, said today: "I would like to convey my utmost thanks for all the people who have supported me throughout this horrible experience.


"I just want to get my life back on track. I'm still very traumatised by what happened. I'm still having nightmares every night about this incident."
The CPS said Mr Cooke had acted 'honestly and instinctively' after being faced by 'armed intruders in frightening circumstances'.
They told how he had been taken upstairs at knife-point during the raid, on September 19.


Mr Jacob died during a 'struggle' after Mr Cooke's wife and son returned home, they added.


Mr Cooke's lawyer Kieran Henry said his client could not say no more due to other legal proceedings.
Michael Anthony Thorpe, 33, of Outwood Road, Heald Green, has appeared in court charge with aggravated burglary at Mr Cooke's home.


He has been remanded in custody.
Nazir Afzal, Chief Crown Prosecutor for the North West, said: "I have decided, after carefully considering the evidence in this case, that Vincent Cooke should not face any charges for the fatal stabbing of Raymond Jacob during the course of a burglary at his home.
"The evidence shows that Mr Cooke had been taken upstairs at knifepoint, and that during a struggle with Raymond Jacob, Mr Cooke stabbed him in self defence.


"At the time he was in fear for his own safety and the safety of his wife and son who arrived at the house as the incident was happening.
"It is clear to me that Mr Cooke did what he honestly and instinctively believed was necessary on that day to protect himself, his home and his family from intruders.


"As Crown prosecutors we look at all cases on their merit and according to the evidence in the individual case. I am satisfied that this is a case where a householder, faced with armed intruders in frightening circumstances, acted in reasonable self defence."
In July, the CPS announced no action would be taken against Peter Flanagan, 59, who was accused of stabbing to death suspected burglar John Leonard Bennell, 27. Prosecutors ruled he had used 'reasonable force'.


Mr Flanagan was arrested on suspicion of murdering Mr Mr Bennell after four masked broke into his home in Salford in June.
And last month, the CPS said no charges should be brought against a florist who had been held on suspicion of murder.
Cecil Coley, 72, was arrested after the incident above his shop in Old Trafford in July.


Gary Mullings, 30, suffered fatal wounds during a frantic struggle at the Shrewsbury Street shop.

At last common sense prevails,pleased he was allowed to defend his family and his property.

Originally Posted by klong toey

At last common sense prevails,pleased he was allowed to defend his family and his property.

This has always been the case in England and Wales.

Those who haven't used what is considered 'reasonable force' will continue to be charged with serious offences until the current law is altered.

There has been some discussion on this topic by ministers recently although i suspect merely to appease constituents who are concerned with the high increase in burglary's in the last few years.

IMO, the guidelines relating to sentencing for serious offences require reviewing, not the law relating to 'reasonable force'.

Originally Posted by klong toey

At last common sense prevails,pleased he was allowed to defend his family and his property.

I second that emulsion !

Good to see the chimp end of the population getting it in the neck, probably literally.

It's a shame that it has to come to that to get the fuckers off the streets though.

What he has to be careful of now is that the guys family can take out as private summons against him.