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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
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    The riots started in Tottenham
    The riots started when the Met police illegally murdered a UK citizen.

    The riots started when the relative of of an english crime lord was shot by police, and his crime lord uncle gave the go ahead for them..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamrock View Post
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    I'm not your mate. You're an idiot, do I have to explain why I think you're an idiot too?. Go away.

    PWNED Bad loss there mate. But you're used to losing all of your cyberwars with Butterfly anyway, so you're used to it by now.
    As if further proof was needed that you were an idiot in your previous nic, just a matter of time before you meltdown again.

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    You can red me all you want mate. I would never call someone a racist and then not even explain to them why I called them a racist. That is strange indeed.
    I've yet to hear a satisfactory definition of racist yet.
    Is it someone who acknowledges there are different races and that different races have specific traits some of those traits may be unlikable to some?
    Or is it someone who thinks people
    Should be treated differently based on their race, ethnicity, skin colour?
    I don't like stingy people, scots are renowned for their stinginess, consequently I generally don't like Scots. does that make me racist or stingest?
    Jews are renowned whiners, I don't like whiners therefore I generally don't like jews.
    Does that make me racist or whinest?
    We are all racist to a degree, it is inherent to prefer ones own kind.
    Most are able to accept that and feel comfortable with the visual and cultural differences.

    Others of course have much less going for them in their lives and look at those differences as a way of feeling superior or to release their frustrations.

    Overt racism is borne out of ignorance, but inferred racism is the worst, that sneaking undercurrent of hatred, the sarcastic suggestion without culpability, borne out of weakness.
    Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles
    The riots started when the relative of of an english crime lord was shot by police, and his crime lord uncle gave the go ahead for them..
    Bullshit! Do you honestly think every rioter got a text message from the crime lord? The thing about riots is, it's mob rule, and the effect it has on the typical bystander is more powerful than the strongest drug. After the riots in Vancouver earlier this year, the police were surprised by how many of the rioters were normal people that would never come close to displaying criminal behavior, except for the fact everyone around them was doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I'm not your mate. You're an idiot, do I have to explain why I think you're an idiot too?. Go away.









    PWNED Bad loss there mate. But you're used to losing all of your cyberwars with Butterfly anyway, so you're used to it by now.
    As if further proof was needed that you were an idiot in your previous nic, just a matter of time before you meltdown again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
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    You can red me all you want mate. I would never call someone a racist and then not even explain to them why I called them a racist. That is strange indeed.
    I've yet to hear a satisfactory definition of racist yet.
    Is it someone who acknowledges there are different races and that different races have specific traits some of those traits may be unlikable to some?
    Or is it someone who thinks people
    Should be treated differently based on their race, ethnicity, skin colour?
    I don't like stingy people, scots are renowned for their stinginess, consequently I generally don't like Scots. does that make me racist or stingest?
    Jews are renowned whiners, I don't like whiners therefore I generally don't like jews.
    Does that make me racist or whinest?
    We are all racist to a degree, it is inherent to prefer ones own kind.
    Most are able to accept that and feel comfortable with the visual and cultural differences.

    Others of course have much less going for them in their lives and look at those differences as a way of feeling superior or to release their frustrations.

    Overt racism is borne out of ignorance, but inferred racism is the worst, that sneaking undercurrent of hatred, the sarcastic suggestion without culpability, borne out of weakness.
    Ah, superiority, but what if one race IS actually superior? For example a race that produced the piano and sophisticated music as opposed to one whose most sophisticated musical instrument is the drum?
    Perhaps some races are superior to others. Is it racist to acknowledge that? (even if it makes some people feel bad)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamrock
    The riots started in Tottenham
    The riots started when the Met police illegally murdered a UK citizen.

    The riots started when the relative of of an english crime lord was shot by police, and his crime lord uncle gave the go ahead for them..
    Really??????

    Amazing.......truly amazing......

    Seeing as his crime lord uncle was stabbed to death in 2005

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles
    The riots started when the relative of of an english crime lord was shot by police, and his crime lord uncle gave the go ahead for them..
    Bullshit! .Do you honestly think every rioter got a text message from the crime lord?
    the initial tottenam riots appear to be started by the local mob
    Noonan, 45, was detained yesterday morning on suspicion of disorder after footage emerged of him apparently speaking to a gang of looters during the riots.

    Witnesses told The Daily Telegraph that the alleged gang boss stood on the corner of King Street speaking on his mobile telephone throughout the trouble, flanked by two teenage boys dressed in black suits.

    Amateur footage emerged yesterday showing him dressed smartly in a dark suit, addressing a group of looters who were carrying a plasma screen TV. The young men smile in response and appear at ease in his company.

    Noonan's teenage companions were seen sending out text messages throughout the disturbances, witnesses said.

    Peter Fahy, the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, said yesterday that he believes the looting was "organised and orchestrated".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamrock
    The riots started in Tottenham
    The riots started when the Met police illegally murdered a UK citizen.

    The riots started when the relative of of an english crime lord was shot by police, and his crime lord uncle gave the go ahead for them..
    Really??????

    Amazing.......truly amazing......

    Seeing as his crime lord uncle was stabbed to death in 2005
    i stand corrected. you are right. his uncle also met a violent death.

    i thought he was related to Noonan (i think i read somewhere they are distantly related)

    anyway Noonan alledgedly gave the orders to riot
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    His Uncle was Desmond Noonan.

    Noonan was stabbed to death in 2005.

    So I still don't see how Noonan gave any orders to riot.

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    ^^ more than one noonan apparently bob. There's the gay one and the rest of the family.

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    Must be the hip way he uses 'Noonan' like we should all know who he is....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    Must be the hip way he uses 'Noonan' like we should all know who he is....
    You got to be in the know you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    Must be the hip way he uses 'Noonan' like we should all know who he is....
    yes bob. i wanna be 'ard just loike you loike

    i was talking about the poove one obviously.


    there was a documentary on him on TRUE tv 6 months ago or so.

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    so who is the poove Noonan then?

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    ^google is your friend
    Dominic Noonan (born 1966)[1] is an English organised crime figure.[2] Dominic Noonan, with his brother Desmond "Dessie" Noonan, headed a criminal organisation or "crime firm" in Manchester, England during the 1980s and 1990s and is a member of one of Manchester's most infamous crime families.[3]
    Noonan has more than 40 convictions for a wide range of offences including armed robbery, police assault, possession of firearms, prison escape and fraud [4] and has spent 22 years in prisons across Britain.[5] Although Noonan is alleged to have been involved in a number of gangland murders, he has never been convicted.[6]

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    more from wiki..
    Personal life

    The Noonan family first rose to notoriety in the Manchester gang scene after the murder of "White Tony" Johnson,[7][8] the leader of the Cheetham Hill Gang, who was gunned down in 1991.[9] On 9 August 2011, during the 2011 England riots, Dominic Noonan was caught on film talking to looters in Manchester city centre.[10]. It was reported that Mark Duggan who was shot and killed by officers from the Metropolitan Police indirectly led to the 2011 England riots was personally known to Dominic, he was a nephew of Dominic's brother Desmond Noonan's second ex-wife [11]. The Manchester Evening News on 12th August 2011, reporting the looting cases, reads "Domenyk Noonan, 47, who has changed his name to Lattlay-Fottfoy, from Wellington Road South, Stockport, appeared in court charged with handling stolen alcohol and cigarettes. He did not enter a plea and was remanded in custody."
    [edit] Documentaries

    Dominic Noonan and his brother Desmond were the subject of a 2006 documentary A Very British Gangster (or MacIntyre's Underworld) directed by Donal MacIntyre.[12] During the introduction to the documentary Donal MacIntyre describes Dominic Noonan as "a dangerous, maniacal Christopher Biggins".[13]
    During the documentary Dominic is asked by MacIntyre about rumours that he is homosexual.[14] Dominic answers in the affirmative, saying "Everyone knows that I'm gay" - or words to that effect. [15][not in citation given]
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    did you see this part bobcock?
    Dominic Noonan was caught on film talking to looters in Manchester city centre It was reported that Mark Duggan who was shot and killed by officers from the Metropolitan Police indirectly led to the 2011 England riots was personally known to Dominic, he was a nephew of Dominic's brother Desmond Noonan's second ex-wife

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles View Post
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    Must be the hip way he uses 'Noonan' like we should all know who he is....
    yes bob. i wanna be 'ard just loike you loike

    i was talking about the poove one obviously.


    there was a documentary on him on TRUE tv 6 months ago or so.
    The documentary about Dominic Noonan, "A Very British Gangster," is quite good: A Very British Gangster (2007) - IMDb
    “You can lead a horticulture but you can’t make her think.” Dorothy Parker

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    ^ ^^ ^^^ all already available in this thread, though I'll admit it's getting a bit long to go and find bits you may have missed.

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    So where does is say he gave the order to the Tottenham rioters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Ah, superiority, but what if one race IS actually superior? For example a race that produced the piano and sophisticated music as opposed to one whose most sophisticated musical instrument is the drum?
    Perhaps some races are superior to others. Is it racist to acknowledge that? (even if it makes some people feel bad)
    It's a complex issue, moral sensitivity, cultural relativity, social equality, historical conditioning, genetics. Where to start? I won't even attempt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    So where does is say he gave the order to the Tottenham rioters?
    I read an article which said Doonan was upset with the death of duggen, and warned the police of a backlash, but can't seem to find it now sorry.

    surely, it's not hard to believe that Duggen's underworld connections are related to instigating the riots though. of course, then there was a point when it spiraled out of control..

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