Thread: 71% of Britons think there are too many immigrants.

Originally Posted by khmen

I was going to post an eloquent (albeit drunken) anti-immigration rant as I really do detest all these Johnny Foreigners coming here and taking our jobs, but:

71% of Britons think there are too many immigrants, and 29% of britons are personally profiting from immigrants in some way, shape or form so don't give a shit if it negatively affects the country or not. Hey, don't complain, that's capitalism for ya!

Take for example my industry, construction. Companies no longer want to hire and train young British apprentices as it is more cost effective to just hire fully skilled foreign labour. And, contrary to popular (ignorant) belief, the foreign workers don't work for less, they just work for longer and harder than British people. Actually earning more.

Its hard to complain about an immigrant taking a job a native could do if the immigrant can perform the job more efficiently. People who moan the loudest about foreigners "Coming here, taking our jobs" are unskilled scum who are unemployable and leech off the state anyway. Fuck off to a shithole communist country if you can't compete on level terms in a cut-throat capitalist society losers, and see how you fare. Viddy well, brothers.

The UK already is a "shithole communist country", where you can't say what you think without being arrested; with CCTV everywhere; where people leech off the state because that is what they are trained to do - they believe it is their right to be suckled from the tit of the state.

They were not born "scum" they became so because of the hopeless education system that trains people to do nothing of use, and no-skill or lo-skill jobs that you or I would have had no trouble getting as teenagers, are snatched up by the murrain of legal and illegal aliens that have entered since the mid-90s

It's easy to complain about an immigrant taking a job a native could do if the native was not invested in to learn how to do the job efficiently: what the hell is a government for anyway? Is it for improving the lives of it's own people? Or improving the lives of foreigners?

In many cases, they do work for less either directly or effectively; and they do what they can to undermine the rights fought for since the 19th century. Either they do it here, or the industry is outcompeted on lower wages and inferior (or sometimes just less) regulation, in the developing world

For a start, Britain is not a proper capitalist country, the whole reason we're in this pit of shit is due to the size of the state - effective "communism" by your own terms (i.e. non-capitalist), where public money is dished out to building firms to build Mandela centres to welcome the invading hordes.

Yes I suppose you could say that the mass import of labour by the Labour party is a twisted form of capitalism: globalisation; where the concept of the ethnic identity is undermined by exploiting (the wage differential and lower rights expectations of) the citizens of poorer, more corrupt, countries in order to fund an obese public sector that distorts markets by funding large projects in the building and IT industries; and maintaining a rump of the "lower classes" socially, educationally and economically excluded for successive generations.
Yes, that is "letting the market decide" isn't it?

If that's your idea of capitalism, then you're on the wrong continent, you might want to look at setting up a pyramid scam in China, seeing as though you have some experience of building.

...and let's talk about building, when there was all the hullabaloo about plumbers earning salaries higher than those with degrees due to the massive shortage. I have first hand experience of the massive numbers of local people queuing for an exam to get on a plumbing apprentice/training course that was heavily oversubscribed.
Instead of investing in the native people and expanding the training or giving tax breaks to firms to take more trainees on, the government then decided to let in "a few thousand" Polish, and in short order that became well over a million in total (obviously across sectors, but the point remains), and a lot of British people prepared to get off their arses and work, were completely betrayed and let down, by of all people, the Labour party... the progeny of the Jarrow marchers, no less.

That's the real horror show, my little droog.

Originally Posted by superman

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Originally Posted by superman

I wonder if the Thais think the same about us farang?

nice try, lefty

I am in no way a lefty, and have never been. My question was straight forward with no political leaning.

Alright, it was just a little dig, because it's the kind of thing a lefty says to try and undermine their opponents, by suggesting that the sort of people who want immigrants out, are hypocrites because they spend a lot of time in other countries.

One of the unmentioned yet quite significant aspects is that it's mainly one-way traffic, we don't see hundreds of thousands of europeans swarming into Pakistan, Nigeria, and China to try and become citizens of those countries, never mind create their own enclaves within them.

There is no parity between being an expat and being an immigrant, because by definition the former is acknowledging that they are a foreigner and not trying to co-opt the identity of their chosen playground; in complete contrast to the latter.

You'll notice that the recent riots in Tottenham, there are no indigenous faces: a picture paints a thousands words.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Instead of investing in the native people and expanding the training or giving tax breaks to firms to take more trainees on, the government then decided to let in "a few thousand" Polish, and in short order that became well over a million in total (obviously across sectors, but the point remains), and a lot of British people prepared to get off their arses and work, were completely betrayed and let down, by of all people, the Labour party.

In the state of Queensland, Australia, the very same thing happened in recent years (though for all I know, it may have been an Australia-wide phenomenon).
In about 2008, people suddenly noticed that taxi drivers were predominantly Indian (and some other Eastern races). It turned out that the Labour government had decided to address the slight lack of taxi drivers by allowing foreign students to work....even if they had been in Australia for a short time and had only just got their Aussie drivers licences. So the floodgates were opened....to address a slight lack.
This caused all sorts of problems, including frustration amongst the public because of the drivers' poor English, resulting in people being taken the wrong way.....sometimes purposely.....people were sometimes overcharged....drivers were rorting the system in different ways.
More cabs were on the roads as there were plenty of people to drive them. This meant less work for each driver.
Then the Global Financial crisis slowly marched in, and less people took taxis, and so the Caucasian drivers found they were taking up to a 50% cut in pay, as the Indians (and others) were prepared to earn less, and were rorting the system in different ways.
Members of the public were complaining left, right, and centre about poor service, but the government was deaf. Aussie cab drivers had left in droves. Finally the outcry was too large, and the system was changed.....but too late for a group of Caucasian Australians who were one of the most marginalized groups of workers. Gawd knows what happened to a lot of them. A few of the old ones survived, but it was too little, too late for the rest.
The stupid thing was that the 2 major cab companies were being paid to train the foreign drivers, so they didn't complain......even when the public were complaining about the new drivers' poor training and testing (by the companies, of course !).
Cabbies are often people who simply don't fit into other jobs for various reasons, and the Labour government instituted a system where they were driven out of their jobs due to the GFC plus foreign students being allowed to work and compete with them.
Thanks, Labour !
It was very suspicious that Labour's Transport Minister in Queensland was (is ?) a lady whose husband is Indian.....