Thread: If you don't speak English you can't belong in Britain

I try to not dwell on the whole thing, but venting on this forum is therapeutic.

My point is : As Farangs in Thailand, we bring money into the economy and pay for every service we receive.
However immigrants to Australia and England are often a strain on the entire infrastructure, from claiming welfare to getting freebies in housing etc, not to mention clogging up the public hospital system so much that people whose ancestors (and themselves, of course) worked and paid and struggled to build up the infrastructure, now have to wait in huge lines to get free public health care, dental care, and go to the post office or library. Not to mention actually taking jobs away from certain sectors of the workforce.....usually the marginalized, such as taxi-drivers and other unskilled workers.
But at least we HAVE free health care, unlike the USA......

^and of course if you are on a NON IMMIGRANT visa in Thailand then you're not an immigrant, hence the stress on NON in the visa status. You're simply a temporary guest with very few rights.

At a magistrates court some years ago, i watched an application from a Pakistani couple for a licence to sell alcohol from their corner shop.
He answered questions on the licensing law, then it was her turn, she stumbled at every question and her husband tried to answer on her behalf. He was told to keep quiet and let her answer. She couldnt, she had almost no English.
The magistrates ajourned the hearing, agreeing she could come back in 3 months, her lawyer suggesting further schooling in English and the law.
Just before the official ajournment one of the junior magistrates asked her how long she had been living in Britain, her answer 22 years ! Application denied.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

that was about 11 years ago.
flip side was that their biddies were selling heroin which fueled prostitution.

Yes, the hypocrisy of the Pakis is really quite astounding. Most of the heroin that wasn't imported by the Turks into the UK was smuggled in by Pakis. The gangs working out of Lahore and Karachi used old folk and children arriving for settlement as mules assuming there would be less risk of losing the contraband.

Of course, nothing must besmirch the integrity of the muslim brotherhood which as we all know is as pure as the driven snow.

Originally Posted by Norton

คุณพูดภาษาไทยได้

think you left off a word there champ

i went up to that bunch who were patrolling the streets
i said " excuse me, are you from pakistan ?"
a paki said yes.
I said " ah great, eh, could you sort me some heroin please
need a whore as well, can you sort me out"
It would not have looked out of place in a Monty Python scene.
They all went crazy at me.

pulled the same stunt on an american elderly lady tourist in Lao,<luang prabang>
excuse me, are you an american ?
why yes i emmm, she said proudly
aw wonderful, could you sort me with some gear,, heroin, please.
the look i got back was classic.
didn't mention the whore bit with her though.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Bangyai

The inability to speak a host country’s language reinforces dangerous divisions in society – and it is a very reasonable requirement of any immigrant.

คุณพูดภาษาไทยได้

....right passed them again.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

remember one time in midlands ,,the mussies
had patrols of 7,8,10 people walking the streets
at night time attacking people looking for prostitutes,
sticking knives into their car tyres etc.disabling.
we're here to clean up the area so that house prices could improve.
mussies had people in the council,,
And the police were not in the least bit interested
with these rag heads roaming the streets with umbrellas<weapons>
even a woman who was talking to someone outside her front door was accused of
being a prostitute. nothing was done.
one of the reasons i foked off,,, it was scary and crazy to live there,, a place i enjoyed living until those tents moved in.
that was about 11 years ago.
flip side was that their biddies were selling heroin which fueled prostitution.

Horse of Troy mate for sure

or as Carl Marx said
"The best way to break a system is from within"

English is being overrun as is most of the western world. The law is higher than the citizens of the country. If somehow they could figure out that by being born a citizen of a western country is actually illegal, the law would rule and all the citizens of that country would be expelled.

Soylent Green is people I tell you. It's peopleeee!

I'm all for this, it's about time those fckn Welsh were moved on.

Having been born in the beautiful south, i have trouble understanding northern people. They should be moved on also

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Walking along the road the other day in Khorat Somchai and I passed several groups of farang, none of whom were speaking Thai. Not like years ago when they were all Chinese.......[/quote]
That made me chuckle.[/quote]

I am not your doppelganger. It was and is such a source of hilarity to me listening to various Brits and Aussies moaning like fuck about immigrants not speaking English. But this in bars in Thailand and they themselves having been there for years and even retired on site and not even being able to read a bus route in Bangkok. Gimme a break for fuck's sake. Give them a menu in Thai?. Forget about it unless it's got pictures on it. Ask for food in Thai?. Forget about it. Try to have a conversation in Thai with a punter in the boondocks, forget about it.

At least immigrants in Blighty make an effort and don't rely on a shake and bake talking two legged dictionary to do it for them. I think it's great coming home every few years and meeting folks from all over the planet who choose to reside here. I didn't learn Thai in a week but I did learn purely as it is communication and had no desire to live in a foreign ghetto. People's descriptions of their own culture is great and for British people to complain about immigrants surely have a lesser view of history than Somchai aged 6.

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by billy the kid

that was about 11 years ago.
flip side was that their biddies were selling heroin which fueled prostitution.

Yes, the hypocrisy of the Pakis is really quite astounding. Most of the heroin that wasn't imported by the Turks into the UK was smuggled in by Pakis. The gangs working out of Lahore and Karachi used old folk and children arriving for settlement as mules assuming there would be less risk of losing the contraband.

Of course, nothing must besmirch the integrity of the muslim brotherhood which as we all know is as pure as the driven snow.

Idiot. It was not. Most smack hit these shores via Brit and Dutch buyers on location and shipped commercially. The mugs (Mules) were the fall guys. And of course the ancient trade routes via the Balkans from Afghanistan and Pakistan and Turkey were nothing to do with this influx of heroin at all?. We are speaking a big time commercial business here and it appears that ignorence is bliss in your case.

Originally Posted by Begbie

I'm all for this, it's about time those fckn Welsh were moved on.

Bloody right - one of them once mistook my younger sister for a sheep. Short sighted bugger.

I am not your doppelganger. It was and is such a source of hilarity to me listening to various Brits and Aussies moaning like fuck about immigrants not speaking English. But this in bars in Thailand and they themselves having been there for years and even retired on site and not even being able to read a bus route in Bangkok. Gimme a break for fuck's sake. Give them a menu in Thai?. Forget about it unless it's got pictures on it. Ask for food in Thai?. Forget about it. Try to have a conversation in Thai with a punter in the boondocks, forget about it.

The difference is that the farangs you are laughing at don't expect a Thai passport, a house, free money and health care. They're paying to be there. They are not allowed to vote one of their own in.

So in my opinion they can do what they fucking like.

This is not even a comparison worth discussing.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I am not your doppelganger. It was and is such a source of hilarity to me listening to various Brits and Aussies moaning like fuck about immigrants not speaking English. But this in bars in Thailand and they themselves having been there for years and even retired on site and not even being able to read a bus route in Bangkok. Gimme a break for fuck's sake. Give them a menu in Thai?. Forget about it unless it's got pictures on it. Ask for food in Thai?. Forget about it. Try to have a conversation in Thai with a punter in the boondocks, forget about it.

The difference is that the farangs you are laughing at don't expect a Thai passport, a house, free money and health care. They're paying to be there. They are not allowed to vote one of their own in.

So in my opinion they can do what they fucking like.

This is not even a comparison worth discussing.

Yeah the food order is quite easy really,order a Chinese meal in England,you order No 3,5 11,55.Go into any fast food place burger king point to a picture and order no 3.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

I try to not dwell on the whole thing, but venting on this forum is therapeutic.

My point is : As Farangs in Thailand, we bring money into the economy and pay for every service we receive.
However immigrants to Australia and England are often a strain on the entire infrastructure, from claiming welfare to getting freebies in housing etc, not to mention clogging up the public hospital system so much that people whose ancestors (and themselves, of course) worked and paid and struggled to build up the infrastructure, now have to wait in huge lines to get free public health care, dental care, and go to the post office or library. Not to mention actually taking jobs away from certain sectors of the workforce.....usually the marginalized, such as taxi-drivers and other unskilled workers.
But at least we HAVE free health care, unlike the USA......

Free health care? Don't me laugh. Free HAHAHAHAHAHA Nothing is free, friend.

Originally Posted by uberchuckles

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by billy the kid

that was about 11 years ago.
flip side was that their biddies were selling heroin which fueled prostitution.

Yes, the hypocrisy of the Pakis is really quite astounding. Most of the heroin that wasn't imported by the Turks into the UK was smuggled in by Pakis. The gangs working out of Lahore and Karachi used old folk and children arriving for settlement as mules assuming there would be less risk of losing the contraband.

Of course, nothing must besmirch the integrity of the muslim brotherhood which as we all know is as pure as the driven snow.

Idiot. It was not. Most smack hit these shores via Brit and Dutch buyers on location and shipped commercially. The mugs (Mules) were the fall guys. And of course the ancient trade routes via the Balkans from Afghanistan and Pakistan and Turkey were nothing to do with this influx of heroin at all?. We are speaking a big time commercial business here and it appears that ignorence is bliss in your case.

It's the Pakistani's who brought it in and sold it where i was and from what i hear
they are still doing it.
Sure the dutch and brits were into it also big time.

Originally Posted by drawp

I'm sure that's some lovely queens English.

Here,s some more English 9 bob notes

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Bangyai

The inability to speak a host country’s language reinforces dangerous divisions in society – and it is a very reasonable requirement of any immigrant.

คุณพูดภาษาไทยได้

....right passed them again.

It is an interesting point since this is an expat forum but since all farangs are really tourists no matter how long they have been in LOS (no citizenship, no social security, no voting, no land title rights) they are not under any obligation to integrate in the way that economic migrants (refugees) are in AUS/UK/USA.

Speak Thai or don't bother, up to you.

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Bangyai

The inability to speak a host country’s language reinforces dangerous divisions in society – and it is a very reasonable requirement of any immigrant.

คุณพูดภาษาไทยได้

....right passed them again.

It is an interesting point since this is an expat forum but since all farangs are really tourists no matter how long they have been in LOS (no citizenship, no social security, no voting, no land title rights) they are not under any obligation to integrate in the way that economic migrants (refugees) are in AUS/UK/USA.

Speak Thai or don't bother, up to you.

Totally agree , but if you are living in someone elses country full time the benefits of being able to speak the language soon become very apparent.

I have friends who can't be bothered to learn as its ' too difficult ' and they are easily discouraged but its pretty easy if you study at your own pace. Even if you only learn ten words a week , at the end of the year you would have a vocabulary of 520 words which would cover the essensials.

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by steveun

I was staying at my brothers in Walthamstow London recently and walked about half a mile from his house to the high street one morning . Along the way I passed several groups none of whom were speaking English. They were all Eastern European and not Indian /Pakistani like years ago.

Walking along the road the other day in Khorat Somchai and I passed several groups of farang, none of whom were speaking Thai. Not like years ago when they were all Chinese.......

....and said fulungs were putting money in to the economy and not claiming from the state.

Sounds reasonable to me. Great Britain is not some third world shite hole which requires babbling hordes of half-literate savages for its work force. Speak the Queen's English or take the first ship out.