Thread: Explosion In Centre Of Norwegian Capital

^^Wow, that went so much further over your head than I could have ever imagined. Try reading what I wrote again.

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

The Europeans love affair with 'gun control' produced spectacular results: out of 100 people being attacked not one of them, it seemed, had a gun with which to defend against the attack.

Even without a gun, if these youths had, instead of running panicked in all directions, if instead they had turned on their attacker and charged him, they could have disarmed him.

The Norwegians fought the Nazis in WWII and now this panicked running away is the best they can do against one guy with a gun?

What sort of dream world do you live in!

You have been watching too many rambo films. Unarmed kids charging a machine gun!

I suppose the USA is the prime example how the right to have weapons has created a safe and non violent society.

The Norwegians success rate against the Nazi hoard is not something that should be used to judge how these poor kids reacted to an unprecedented cowardly act. As I recall I can not remember any group of unarmed kids rushing a machine gunner in that very short war.

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Even without a gun, if these youths had, instead of running panicked in all directions, if instead they had turned on their attacker and charged him, they could have disarmed him.

You wern't there to lead the way rambo, they are kids for gods sake, you been watching to many Steven Seagal films.

Rambo was not needed here. Just some people not willing be passive, hysterical sheep. Self-defense. It is a requirement in Switzerland, for example, "soldiers keep their Army issued equipment, including all personal weapons, at home" (wiki). Israel teaches its youth self-defense, armed defense, battle-readiness.

The attack lasted for as long as an hour. The BBC reports that the ages ranged from young to elderly.

i don't know what kind of gun(s) he had, but i'd imagine that if he was well prepared (which he was - bomb as a diversion to distract police) then with a semi automatic weapon these kids might not have even known where the gunfire was coming from, let alone group together and hunt him down.

ffs.

^He had a number of guns apparently, at least one of which was a sub-machine gun of some sort.

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

Almost all the posters on here are probably part of the reason why we see the extremist reactions. White supremacy did not go away with the abolition of the slave trade.

The attitude of those who see, those who see the non white world as an area to be exploited without the evils of control and social norms commonly associated with western democracy have us reaping the world wind of hate. The arrogance that the world outside our borders is their to create wealth in the first world is what drives foreign policy to this day.

Imperialism comes in many different forms. From Suez to the American invasion of Banana republics to it's policy in the far and middle east and to South America. This is seen by many as White supremacy.

Social when you talk about terrorist acts, remember they have been routed in our culture for hundreds of years.

The war of American Independence. Freedom fighters or terrorists? The Bombing of the King David Hotel? Terrorist or Jewish freedom fighters? The IRA over 200 years. I grew up in the last troubles, believe me it changed life. Civil liberties disappeared and the great model of British Justice went out the window. The british government hacked every phone message and bugged a vast area of Northern Ireland.

The Asian Monkey's as you call them have proved to be just as tenacious as any other freedom fighters. Or Terrorists. The ability for an individual or group to perpetrate the mayhem we see today comes from a history of such endeavors many now are seen as legitimate and so successful. The righteous attitude of us westerners needs to be changed in a hurry or we will continue to alienate ourselves from the rest of the world and increasingly become targets.

This of course has nothing to do with the madness that happened in Norway.


How many on here proclaim that 300bnt a day will ruin Thailand! For whom?

Was that an attempt to be non partisan ? because it sure failed.

^This has to do with what happened in Norway. Your socialist attitude is all part of what this guy see's as the degradation of western culture.

Do you think Nato is a force of good or a force of evil ?

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

The Europeans love affair with 'gun control' produced spectacular results: out of 100 people being attacked not one of them, it seemed, had a gun with which to defend against the attack.

Even without a gun, if these youths had, instead of running panicked in all directions, if instead they had turned on their attacker and charged him, they could have disarmed him.

The Norwegians fought the Nazis in WWII and now this panicked running away is the best they can do against one guy with a gun?

What sort of dream world do you live in!

You have been watching too many rambo films. Unarmed kids charging a machine gun!

I suppose the USA is the prime example how the right to have weapons has created a safe and non violent society.

The Norwegians success rate against the Nazi hoard is not something that should be used to judge how these poor kids reacted to an unprecedented cowardly act. As I recall I can not remember any group of unarmed kids rushing a machine gunner in that very short war.

All it would have taken was one adult with a gun to take this guy on. Being Norway, this guy knew it was going to be a turkey shoot.

Are guns even legal there ?

Originally Posted by socal

Are guns even legal there ?

Norway has a large population of hunters, what do you think?

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

Almost all the posters on here are probably part of the reason why we see the extremist reactions.

White supremacy did not go away with the abolition of the slave trade.

sadly , very true .

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by socal

Are guns even legal there ?

Norway has a large population of hunters, what do you think?

So does Canada but any random public gathering would be a turkey shoot too.

Someday soon, you might wake up to the call to prayer from a muezzin. Europeans already are. And liberals will still tell you that "diversity is our strength"--while Talibanic enforcers cruise Greenwich Village burning books and barber shops, the Supreme Court decides sharia law doesn't violate the "separation of church and state," and the Hollywood Left decides to give up on gay rights in favor of the much safer charms of polygamy. If you think this can't happen, you haven't been paying attention, as the hilarious, provocative, and brilliant Mark Steyn--the most popular conservative columnist in the English-speaking world--shows to devastating effect. The future, as Steyn shows, belongs to the fecund and the confident. And the Islamists are both, while the West is looking ever more like the ruins of a civilization. But America can survive, prosper, and defend its freedom only if it continues to believe in itself, in the sturdier virtues of self-reliance (not government), in the centrality of family, and in the conviction that our country really is the world's last best hope. Mark Steyn's America Alone is laugh-out-loud funny--but it will also change the way you look at the world. /////Has anyone read this book? I have. How it relates to this thread is the demographics in Europe, and the immigration policies as well. There are a great many people in the UK and throughout Europe that are very concerned about the influx of Muslims into there homeland. I would be willing to bet that this guy that murdered all these people believed he was doing it for the good of Norway. Killing these young people, in his mind, was killing a future government hell bent on suicide. It is a good book, and enormously funny. Oh, Mark's not Jewish.

Originally Posted by socal

So does Canada but any random public gathering would be a turkey shoot too.

You asked the question.

Are guns even legal there ?

The BBC reported that the ages of victims ranged from young to very old. We'll see eventually the exact ages. But it appears, according to BBC, that it wasn't only kids. Even if only 'kids', then was it teenagers? Teenagers can fight if they have been taught. But they hadn't been taught because in the West we are coddled to think the government will take care of us, the police are our saviors. And we are distracted by a feminizing culture that says "guns are bad" and the same feminizing, politically-correct culture won't allow the men to be male role models for the boys--or dictates that the only (politically) correct role model for boys is one of gentleness and feminine sweetness. So young boys grow up never learning how to hunt, shoot, and fight. Fighting--self-defense--is at the heart of liberty and takes on many guises, from being able to say 'no' to political idiocy up to being able to 'say no' to a guy with a gun.

It's not just the crazies and the Muslims who are fashioning a twisted world. It is also the well-intentioned but seriously misguided notions of the feminists who have usurped the role of men teaching boys how to be men. A lot of men have been so brainwashed into being the version of 'man' that the feminized culture wants them to be that they don't even know what it means to be a 'real' man.

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

The BBC reported that the ages of victims ranged from young to very old. We'll see eventually the exact ages. But it appears, according to BBC, that it wasn't only kids. Even if only 'kids', then was it teenagers? Teenagers can fight if they have been taught. But they hadn't been taught because in the West we are coddled to think the government will take care of us, the police are our saviors. And we are distracted by a feminizing culture that says "guns are bad" and the same feminizing, politically-correct culture won't allow the men to be male role models for the boys--or dictates that the only (politically) correct role model for boys is one of gentleness and feminine sweetness. So young boys grow up never learning how to hunt, shoot, and fight. Fighting--self-defense--is at the heart of liberty and takes on many guises, from being able to say 'no' to political idiocy up to being able to 'say no' to a guy with a gun.

It's not just the crazies and the Muslims who are fashioning a twisted world. It is also the well-intentioned but seriously misguided notions of the feminists who have usurped the role of men teaching boys how to be men. A lot of men have been so brainwashed into being the version of 'man' that the feminized culture wants them to be that they don't even know what it means to be a 'real' man.

Yes, I believe this is rampant in the U.S. Then,the question will be asked, what constitutes "a real man". This, of course, should be the topic of another thread.

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

The BBC reported that the ages of victims ranged from young to very old. We'll see eventually the exact ages. But it appears, according to BBC, that it wasn't only kids. Even if only 'kids', then was it teenagers? Teenagers can fight if they have been taught. But they hadn't been taught because in the West we are coddled to think the government will take care of us, the police are our saviors. And we are distracted by a feminizing culture that says "guns are bad" and the same feminizing, politically-correct culture won't allow the men to be male role models for the boys--or dictates that the only (politically) correct role model for boys is one of gentleness and feminine sweetness. So young boys grow up never learning how to hunt, shoot, and fight. Fighting--self-defense--is at the heart of liberty and takes on many guises, from being able to say 'no' to political idiocy up to being able to 'say no' to a guy with a gun.

It's not just the crazies and the Muslims who are fashioning a twisted world. It is also the well-intentioned but seriously misguided notions of the feminists who have usurped the role of men teaching boys how to be men. A lot of men have been so brainwashed into being the version of 'man' that the feminized culture wants them to be that they don't even know what it means to be a 'real' man.

It is mainly the seriously misguided femme socialists that are fashioning this twisted world. They interpret everything backwards. Just look at the wars in the ME. They think muslim terrorists exist because of the wars in Afstan and Iraq when 9/11 happened BEFORE any of those wars ever started. It was the muslims that attacked our land.

All it takes to deal with muslims is some common sense and some balls. Geert Wilders comes to mind.

This Norway bomb and shooting by a ''lone'' actor is reminiscent of Timothy McVeigh's action, USA.

Gunman released a manifesto:



TV 2 know that the 32-year-old terror accused Oslo man has confessed to having published the material on the web. There are sources in the police confirming this to the TV 2Anders Behring Breivik (32) Prior to the attacks, published a long manifesto and a video on the Internet, where he describes the attacks he was about to perform.
The video and document
“Marxist Hunter”
It is about more than twelve minutes long video, which Behring Brevik compare themselves with Knights, and encourage a year-long war against Marxism and Islamism.
He has also published a manuscript of 1,500 pages which he explains very extreme political views. In addition, he describes in detail how an attack to be carried out. Everything from the use of the car bomb of the type of equipment to be used in an attack.
On an image that has not previously been known pose the seemingly Anders Behring Breivik in a diving suit with what looks like an automatic rifle.
On his shoulder he has a badge that says “Marxist Hunter.”
In the document, which is over 1500 pages the author elaborates on events throughout history and will repeatedly return to the Knights Templar, or Knights Templar as they say in English.
Today, the Knights Templar, an order within the Masonic movement, which also Anders Behring Breivik was a member of.
He will now be excluded from the Masonic Order.


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‪Knights Templar 2083 by Anders Behring Breivik - Oslo killer‬‏ - YouTube


Pure fucking evil...

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

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Nope - Koman is going further than that. He's justifying the setting - saying it's a correct analystic view. He's not saying the killings are justified - but he's alleging that the trigger - the touch paper - whatever, was there for a long time. Almost like - 'not surprised it happened or took this long to happen'..

TS you really do have a way of misintrepreting other peoples posts at times. You even managed to view post 190 as some kind of anti-muslim rant, which it most certainly was not. What would make you think I was trying to justify anything?

As I stated; I'm speculating (as is everyone at this stage) on what the motivations may have been for this individual to go on such a rampage. It seems from what we know so far that this guy was some kind of neo-Nazi, religious fundamentalist...(quite a combo)

Such people are very likely to despise immigrants in general and muslims in particular, but the real issue for him would likely be his own very left of center government and the way his country and his society is being forced to change. If his hatred was just directed at muslims or even just immigrants he would more likely have killed a bunch of them, but he went after his own countrymen because in his mind they are traitors.

The large immigrant population and social changes being forced on his society would be viewed as a result of the traitors giving his country away. I don't think this is a unique or even unusual sentiment in the neo-Nazi ranks anywhere, but even neo-Nazi's do not as a rule go out and shoot close to a hundred people to make their point. He could have just made a nice banner or sign. He could have written to the editor...he could have stood on a soap box and spouted into a bull-horn, but this one decided to really show them a thing or two.

He probably feels a great sense of victory today. He wiped out a good part of Norway's future socalist political elite and he has achieved world wide fame and notoriety. It's enough to make any good neo-Nazi proud. As I said before...they need to be careful this guy does not become a poster boy for extreme elements across Europe. There are lots more like him in Germany, France, Italy and other countries...and all for the same basic reasons. In the midst of all the outrage, grief, RIP's and sympathy statements, it's very easy to overlook that fact.

I found the following on another site this morning. There are a few clues in this piece to support what I'm getting at.

"It’s not clear what his motivation is yet and the police haven’t really talked about that,” CBC reporter Nahlah Ayed said from the scene outside Oslo on Saturday

.

“What we do know from police is that he has been very co-operative and is very keen to express his point of view.”

The Norwegian-born suspect comes from a well-to-do family, and his Facebook page suggests he's a Christian fundamentalist. He owns a farm, where he runs a business, and once belonged to the right-wing Progress Party, according to reports. Police said the man doesn't have a criminal record."

Keen to express his views.....I'll bet he is.