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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
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    I bet a direct correlation with increasing pesticide usage can be found with many cancers.
    Nail on the head, in my opinion. With the shit in food these days it isn't surprising.
    I have serious doubts about that.

    A few generations ago food posed a much larger risk than today due to storing. Moulds and other problems were much more common than today. And the bacterial poisons caused all kinds of health problems.

    Food related health issues come much more from the "too much" than pesticides. They are under control in europe even if more can and should be done. Pesticides are more of a danger in third world countries as they are not properly used.

    Also a lot has been achieved in cleaning the air in the Cities too. Also smoking is down. However smoking is increased with women. Maybe they have a larger smoking related risk than men?

    All the changes to the better will however be seen only a long time later as cancer causes lie decades in the past.
    Wrong!

    As for the dangers in 3rd world. Wrong again.

    I'm sure we can both dig out info on the net that would prove either of us wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    For women, 33 per cent of cancers of the oesophagus are linked to obesity, as are 19 per cent of pancreatic cancers, 21 per cent of gallbladder cases, 16 per cent of breast cancers and 28 per cent of cancers of the womb lining.
    And there I was thinking all the posters on this forum slagging off fat western chicks were just being nasty. Now I see that they really had their best interests at heart.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
    Wrong!
    No surprise I disagree.

    In an ideal world enough food could be produced without pesticides and fertilizers. However in the real world the needs of a much too large population cannot be met without them so the only option is to use them as safely as possible.

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    As for the dangers in 3rd world. Wrong again.
    It is well known that in many third world countrys safety is poor for the farm workers and there is no concern on pesticide levels on the produce.

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    I'm sure we can both dig out info on the net that would prove either of us wrong.
    Agree. And then we would discuss the merits of the sources. So we should not.

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    I've worked for both Ajinomoto and Cognis who have very different opinions about food, the chemicals used and its causes. Ajinomoto swear by MSG and aspartame while Cognis are completely against the use of the aforementioned.

    Certain chemicals used in food are a cause of cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
    Certain chemicals used in food are a cause of cancer.
    Yes of course. That is why standards for levels are set. Those are sometimes under dispute, i know and sometimes they need to be adjusted.

    Aspartame and artificial sweeteners are something I do not approve about. I don't see the necessity. I do take them in soft drings sometimes but not regular. But we were talking about pesticides. I don't see how the many people can be fed without them and wisely used they pose a very small risk, certainly orders of magnitude smaller than malnutrition.

    In general i strongly believe that the content of chemical additives as such is not the problem. The problem is the too much and not good variety. You can eat almost everything as long as the total input is varied and balanced and not too much. The too much ist the largest problem of all.

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    What are "proles" please ?

    1984 ring any bells?
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    It was the word george orwell used in his novel 1984, corrupted down from "the proletariat". Generally implies the under educated 'lower masses".
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