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You're not welcome! Australian ships boatload of asylum seekers to Malaysia in tough new immigration measure



By Daily Mail Reporter

Last updated at 2:55 PM on 14th May 2011

A boatload of asylum seekers found in Australian waters have been shipped straight out of the country in a new no-nonsense immigration measure.
Australian ministers want to stop hundreds of asylum seekers sailing into the country and last week struck a deal with Malaysia to swap asylum seekers for refugees.
The government is also negotiating with Papua New Guinea to accept hundreds of people who have paid smugglers to bring them to Australia by boat.

Kicked Out: Australian ministers have swapped a boatload of asylum seekers for refugees after making a deal with the Malaysian government



The navy intercepted the latest boatload of 32 asylum seekers suspected to be from Afghanistan and Pakistan off the north western coastal town of Broome overnight, immigration Minister Chris Bowen said.
They will be temporarily housed in a detention centre on Christmas Island, an Australian territory near Indonesia and then sent to another country where their refugee applications will be processed.

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Mr Bowen said Malaysia had a right to reject any of the individuals on board.
Papua New Guinea was not the only other country in the Asia-Pacific region which Australia was asking to accept its asylum seekers, he said.

Charged: A man has been charged with the Christmas Island boat crash which saw 48 asylum seekers killed when they smashed against the rocky coast last December



I am not going to flag which country these people will be sent to, but they will be held at Christmas Island, pending removal to a third country,' Mr Bowen told reporters.
Lawyers and human rights groups have condemned Australia's deal with Malaysia, under which Malaysia will accept 800 asylum seekers who entered Australia illegally by sea in return for Australia settling 4,000 registered refugees living in Malaysia.
Lim Chee Wee, president of the lawyers' association Malaysian Bar, labelled the deal misguided and irresponsible and accused Australia of trying to dodge its international obligations.
Australia was effectively consigning 800 people to a 'degrading, demeaning and dehumanising' life of uncertainty and suffering because Malaysia was not a signatory to the United Nations Refugee Convention, he said.
Meanwhile, an Iranian-born Australian citizen appeared in court in the west coast city of Perth today charged over a people smuggling operation that ended with a boat crashing against the rocky coast of Christmas Island in December last year, killing 48 asylum seekers.
Ali Khorram Heydarkhani, 40, was remanded in custody to appear in court again on Tuesday when he will plead to 89 people smuggling charges. He faces a potential life prison sentence.

He was extradited from Indonesia on Thursday and charged in Sydney before he was flown to Perth on Friday.
Australia has long attracted people from poor, often war-ravaged countries hoping to start a new life, with more than 6,200 asylum seekers arriving in the country by boat last year.
Most are from Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Iran and Iraq, and use Malaysia or Indonesia as a starting point for a dangerous sea journey to Australia.



Read more: No soft touch: Australian ministers ship asylum seekers out to other countries to stop immigrants sailing straight onto their shores | Mail Online


And Thailand support the move.
Thai backing for refugee deal | Herald Sun

But there is always opposition.
Have a look at the name of the Sec General of Amonsty International. Surpired?
PM - Amnesty slams Australia over asylum seekers 13/05/2011

Sorry , but wrong solution.

Australia is still a signatory to the 1951 Convention on the status of Refugees and as such has an obligation to consider any applications for asylum that may be submitted within their territories where the jurisdiction of their sovereign law prevails.

Of course they may decline to accept any such application if they have evidence that the applicant had arrived from a third country that was also a signatory to the Convention to which that person could be returned.

As far as I know Malaysia is not a signatory to the Convention and its treatment of refugees is well known to be woeful and inhumane.

The decision of what passes for the Australian government ( isn't that woman absolutely awful ) to return these people to Malaysia is manifestly in breach of their Convention obligations and as such I cannot see it withstanding any competent legal challenge.

Originally Posted by Daily Mail Reporter

A boatload of asylum seekers found in Australian waters have been shipped straight out of the country in a new no-nonsense immigration measure.

GARBAGE !!

They are still in Christmas Island and will be there for the foreseeable future.

The deal with Malaysia is still sans ink .

Originally Posted by Mid

GARBAGE !!

A new deal has been struck with Malaysia by Prime Minister Julia Gillard and the Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC). In exchange for Malaysia taking 800 people who were picked up in boats heading for the Australian coast, Australia will accept and resettle 4,000 genuine refugees from Burma who are currently being processed in Malaysia.

A new deal has been struck by Australia with Malaysia for the latter country to take back 800 people who were picked up in boats heading for the Australian coast.

At the moment, all arrivals by boat (including those ferried in by people-smugglers) are immediately detained by Australian immigration officials. While the primary detention centre is on Christmas Island, some asylum seekers are now being held in centres on the mainland.
Unfortunately, these centres are now struggling to cope with the numbers, with the centre in the Sydney suburb of Villawood recently experiencing a riot that saw nine buildings burned down.
The new agreement is intended to both reduce how many detainees these centres are dealing with, and also send a message to the people smugglers helping individuals arrive in Australia illegally. Commenting on the deal, Prime Minister Gillard said: "This landmark agreement will help take away the product people smugglers are trying to sell - a ticket to Australia.
"The key message this will deliver to people smugglers and those seeking to make the dangerous sea voyage to Australia is: do not get on that boat. Under this arrangement, if you arrive in Australian waters and are taken to Malaysia you will go to the back of the queue."
However, the deal has been described as being "trading human beings" by their political opposition in the Liberal Party. Groups like Amnesty International have also been outspoken in their criticism, due to Malaysia not being a signatory to the UN's convention on treating refugees.

Yes "mid" more garbage as usual!

^

Originally Posted by brettandlek

A boatload of asylum seekers found in Australian waters have been shipped straight out of the country in a new no-nonsense immigration measure.

.....

Originally Posted by thegent

The decision of what passes for the Australian government ( isn't that woman absolutely awful ) to return these people to Malaysia is manifestly in breach of their Convention obligations and as such I cannot see it withstanding any competent legal challenge.

Who gives a shit. Deport them before they can claim asylum. Especially if they have come via any third country.
If they are truly seeking only asylum they could do it at a country nearer to where they came from and not half way around the world.

When I read the headline I thought Australia may have stopped brown nosing to the Yanks.

Instead the govt's just bullying, pretty gutless. Even the the Liberals don't back it, but Thailand does - says it all!

Originally Posted by Mid

Quote: Originally Posted by brettandlek A boatload of asylum seekers found in Australian waters have been shipped straight out of the country in a new no-nonsense immigration measure. .....

Splitting hairs as usual "mid" what's the matter 2,600 km not far enough out of the country for you?

Yes, I understand Christmas Island is part of Australian territory.

However the Julia Gillard plan is in principal a good one especially when ignoring the outdated 1951 "liboturd" agreement on refugees, which of course hasn't been revised to reflect the refugee situation as it is today and NOT as it was after WW2 some sixty years ago.

Despite the wailing and gnashing of "liboturd" teeth "yours" "thegent's" etc. etc. a new deal has been struck with Malaysia by Prime Minister Julia Gillard and the Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) whether it upsets you or not!

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

. a new deal has been struck with Malaysia by Prime Minister Julia Gillard and the Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC)

Wrong .

Originally Posted by thegent

The decision of what passes for the Australian government ( isn't that woman absolutely awful ) to return these people to Malaysia is manifestly in breach of their Convention obligations and as such I cannot see it withstanding any competent legal challenge.

As usual yet another hysterical reference to "a legal challenge" straight from the "liboturd" manual on human rights! Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.........

Originally Posted by Mid

Wrong .

Gillard reaches asylum agreement with Malaysia

"Ms Gillard says Malaysia has agreed to take up to 800 asylum seekers and their claims will be processed in Malaysia by the United Nations".

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott calls the announcement "a people go round". "Today we've seen a panicked announcement from a government which is proving yet again that it's both untrustworthy and incompetent," he said."This announcement might be a good deal for Malaysia but it's a lousy deal for Australia.

I tend to agree with him but it's a move to do something about the problem.

Seems everyone's got it wrong apart from you "mid" even the opposition leaders opposing something that isn't happening, strange? but we'll all bow to your superior "liboturd" thinking "mid"!

Move on....but lets wait and see who's right in the long run shall we?

Updated 6 minutes ago

The Government is still negotiating deals with Malaysia and Papua New Guinea to process asylum seekers.

Neither deal has been finalised, but the Government insists the group of asylum seekers that were intercepted north of Broome on Friday night will be processed overseas.

PM backs asylum policy amid Thai interest - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


the comment of garbage in reference to the OP stands .

.

As Neil Diamond would sing "Were coming to Australia"

Originally Posted by Mid

the comment of garbage in reference to the OP stands .

Still... in principle it's a good idea and the UK suffered similar immigration problems due to the French turning a blind eye (sorry for the pun)!


If you want to split hairs that's fine but something has been agreed in "principle" and the refugees were shipped off the mainland.

Grasping at every opportunity to split hairs and prevaricating isn't smart and I note you "liboturds" never answer any direct point that's put to you.

Always the same...keep banging the "liboturd" drums and beating your gums in the hope you'll wear realistic people down, got news for you "mid", you won't! I understand all this upsets your "lidoturd" thinking but the fact of life is...many people have had enough of the liboturd PC f*ck ups!

Am I alone in concluding that the contributions made by the dribbling, moronic Rodney to this thread are not in accordance with the board's policy on news fora posts?

UPDATE 6.51pm:

THE latest arrivals to seek asylum in Australia will instead be waiting indefinitely on Christmas Island, Prime Minister Julia Gillard says.

Long wait for asylum seekers - Gillard | Herald Sun

Originally Posted by thegent

Am I alone in concluding that the contributions made by the dribbling, moronic Rodney to this thread are not in accordance with the board's policy on news fora posts?

No sure you're alone... but that miay be because you keep muttering inane ideals to your liboturd reflection in your "mirror, mirror off the wall"?

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

Originally Posted by Mid

GARBAGE !!

A new deal has been struck with Malaysia by Prime Minister Julia Gillard and the Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC). In exchange for Malaysia taking 800 people who were picked up in boats heading for the Australian coast, Australia will accept and resettle 4,000 genuine refugees from Burma who are currently being processed in Malaysia.

A new deal has been struck by Australia with Malaysia for the latter country to take back 800 people who were picked up in boats heading for the Australian coast.

At the moment, all arrivals by boat (including those ferried in by people-smugglers) are immediately detained by Australian immigration officials. While the primary detention centre is on Christmas Island, some asylum seekers are now being held in centres on the mainland.
Unfortunately, these centres are now struggling to cope with the numbers, with the centre in the Sydney suburb of Villawood recently experiencing a riot that saw nine buildings burned down.
The new agreement is intended to both reduce how many detainees these centres are dealing with, and also send a message to the people smugglers helping individuals arrive in Australia illegally. Commenting on the deal, Prime Minister Gillard said: "This landmark agreement will help take away the product people smugglers are trying to sell - a ticket to Australia.
"The key message this will deliver to people smugglers and those seeking to make the dangerous sea voyage to Australia is: do not get on that boat. Under this arrangement, if you arrive in Australian waters and are taken to Malaysia you will go to the back of the queue."
However, the deal has been described as being "trading human beings" by their political opposition in the Liberal Party. Groups like Amnesty International have also been outspoken in their criticism, due to Malaysia not being a signatory to the UN's convention on treating refugees.

Yes "mid" more garbage as usual!

We employ a lot of these burmese people who come here and wait like they should, more so they are great workers and dont mind working, christian religion, rather have them here.

Originally Posted by DroversDog

Originally Posted by thegent

The decision of what passes for the Australian government ( isn't that woman absolutely awful ) to return these people to Malaysia is manifestly in breach of their Convention obligations and as such I cannot see it withstanding any competent legal challenge.

Who gives a shit. Deport them before they can claim asylum. Especially if they have come via any third country.
If they are truly seeking only asylum they could do it at a country nearer to where they came from and not half way around the world.

What a sensational point. Why Australia, assumingly anywhere would be better than their country. We just watched 60 minutes and there was a story on there about the people who come here and they are poor at all, they are rich fuks and have travelled previously before coming here on the boat. At the end of the day it costs this flotsam 10k to come here, if they were that poor where do they come up with that loot?
I hope to find the link to the story soon, but they were interviewing a family who was well off and were luck enough to come here on the boat and stay.
It is absolutely fuked.

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

Before I start, I am NOT in anyway shape or form a anti-islamic person...but I do like to cause some contraversy when I post...those of you that know me will know this fact...
I think the term shit stirrer is appropriate..

Originally Posted by brettandlek

Australia was effectively consigning 800 people to a 'degrading, demeaning and dehumanising' life of uncertainty and suffering because Malaysia was not a signatory to the United Nations Refugee Convention, he said.

Hang on here, surely they would be much happier in a Muslim country...seeing as more than likely they are of the Muslim faith?? Why would they want to go to Australia, a godless country
(not Islamic run) I presume they got lost at sea!!!

It just seems to me that many so called muslim people that enter non-islamic countries then proceed to whinge their tit's off.. I am incredulous at this response to a country that offers so much.

Originally Posted by brettandlek

Australia has long attracted people from poor, often war-ravaged countries hoping to start a new life, with more than 6,200 asylum seekers arriving in the country by boat last year. Most are from Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Iran and Iraq, and use Malaysia or Indonesia as a starting point for a dangerous sea journey to Australia.

Not forgetting England in that quota!!! Oh no sorry they were convicts....apparently

So they use Malaysia and Indonesia as a country BEFORE heading to Australia...I can see in a way why Auz has gone...Err politely "FECK ORRRRFFFFF will ya mate".

Like back in the days when France and other European countries were basically helping 'Immigrants' to get to the UK rather than have to look after them...

"This way to the tunnel lads and here's a pack lunch to keep you going...Au Revior"

A prime example of this is our friend below...got to the UK then started a hate campaign...against the residents of the UK...and of course anyone that wasn't a 'Muslim'

Abu Hamza...your ideal refugee...yeah right!!!


I spy with my little eye something beginning with DHSS...'Allah Akbar'

Sadly this sort of person causes this reaction below, and we all end up in a state of distrust...
Muslims, christians, Hindu's and every other faith lived hand in hand next door to each other when I was young in the UK...apart from the crazy Jevo's...no one luike them



I have many Muslim friends and not one has ever tried to 'convert' me...feed me maybe..never convert me...

They wont go to Indonesia or Malaysia where they sould be comfortable with other people of their faith as they wont do what our fucktard government does and pay them monetry benefits for friggin nothing.
Well we tax payers pay for that, the government just hands it out, friggin sickening

Originally Posted by brettandlek

They wont go to Indonesia or Malaysia where they should be comfortable with other people of their faith as they wont do what our fucktard government does and pay them monetary benefits for friggin nothing. Well we tax payers pay for that, the government just hands it out, friggin sickening

I'd love to see some "liboturds" on here answer this post, but they'll only snivel "racist" and "unfair" and "legally" and under the agreement et. etc. etc.

How about you "thebent gent"? or "md" or even "pupa" come on don't be shy make your excuses.... do you think it's right that UK taxpayers should support this human flotsam? And what about France turning a blind eye to the supposed refugees passing through from other countries? I notice "the bentgent" ignored that part of my post, why?

I was under the impression that Aussie's had strict laws when it comes to this. I think it is about time that countries limit what comes in unless their will be a definite benefit to the country. ( do not use cheap labor as an excuse, it will only take a gradual toll on the top half as well)

Once you get enough to become the majority of the vote, it is a downhill slide for you and your way of life.

Originally Posted by Carrabow

I think it is about time that countries limit what comes in unless their will be a definite benefit to the country.

I think it's reasonable to expect immigrants to obey the laws and respect their adopted countries also make some effort to integrate. The catagory "asylum seekers" has been allowed, even encouraged to be abused by the PC people and outdated agreements which should have been revised to suit the present day situation suits the PC aims.

It's noticable the "liboturd" "PC brigade" rely on these outdated agreements and when anyone stands up and states the obvious "i.e. immigration control isn't working" and "extremists should be locked up and or deported", it's convenient for the "liboturd" "PC brigade" to label them racist or morons.

God the UK's in a mess...we're probably the only country in the world that bends over backwards for these abusers only to be shafted by them and our PC brigade!

Then what do our knowledgeable politicians do...? they have us bend over again to be shafted and of course the working taxpayers pay for the priviledge of us being shafted!

Christ is it any wonder the UK's the laughing stock for the rest of the world?