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    7 Steps to Legal Revenge by Anna Ardin

    January 19, 2010


    I’ve been thinking about some revenge over the last few days and came across a very good side who inspired me to this seven-point revenge instruction in Swedish.


    Steg 1 / Step 1


    Tänk igenom väldigt noga om du verkligen ska hämnas. Consider very carefully if you really must take revenge. Det är nästan alltid bättre att förlåta än att hämnas


    It is almost always better to forgive than to avenge


    Steg 2 / Step 2


    Tänk igenom varför du ska hämnas. Think about why you want revenge. Du behöver alltså inte bara vara på det klara med vem du ska hämnas på utan också varför. Hämnd ska aldrig riktas mot bara en person, utan även möta en viss handling.


    You need to be clear about who to take revenge on, as well as why. Revenge is never directed against only one person, but also the actions of the person.


    Steg 3 / Step 3


    Proportionalitetsprincipen.


    The principle of proportionality.


    Kom ihåg att hämnden inte bara ska matcha dådet i storlek utan även i art.


    Remember that revenge will not only match the deed in size but also in nature.


    En bra hämnd är kopplad till det som gjorts mot dig.


    A good revenge is linked to what has been done against you.


    Om du till exempel vill hämnas på någon som varit otrogen eller som dumpat dig, så bör straffet ha något med dejting/sex/trohet att göra.


    For example if you want revenge on someone who cheated or who dumped you, you should use a punishment with dating/sex/fidelity involved.


    Steg 4 / Step 4


    Gör en brainstorm kring lämpliga åtgärder för kategorin av hämnd du är ute efter. För att fortsätta exemplet ovan så kan du paja ditt offers nuvarande relation, fixa så att dennes nye partner är otrogen eller se till att han får en galning efter sig.


    Do a brainstorm of appropriate measures for the category of revenge you’re after. To continue the example above, you can sabotage your victim’s current relationship, such as getting his new partner to be unfaithful or ensure that he gets a madman after him.


    Använd din fantasi!


    Use your imagination!


    Steg 5 / Step 5


    Tänk ut hur du kan hämnas systematiskt.


    Figure out how you can systematically take revenge.


    Kanske kan en serie brev och foton som får den nya att tro att ni ännu ses bättre än bara en stor lögn vid ett enstaka tillfälle?


    Send your victim a series of letters and photographs that make your victim’s new partner believe that you are still together which is better than to tell just one big lie on one single occasion


    Steg 6 / Step 6


    Ranka dina systematiska hämndscheman från låg till hög i termer av troligt lyckat genomförande, krävd insats från dig samt grad av tillfredsställelse om du lyckas.


    Rank your systematic revenge schemes from low to high in terms of likely success, required input from you, and degree of satisfaction when you succeed.


    Den ideala hämnden ligger givetvis så högt som möjligt i dessa staplar, men ofta kan en ökad insats av arbete och kapital ge säkrare output för de andra två, egentligen viktigare parametrarna.


    The ideal, of course, is a revenge as strong as possible but this requires a lot of hard work and effort for it to turn out exactly as you want it to.


    Step 7 / Step 7


    Skrid till verket. Get to work. Och kom ihåg vilket ditt mål är medan du opererar, se till att ditt offer får lida på samma sätt som han fick dig att lida.


    And remember what your goals are while you are operating, ensure that your victim will suffer the same way as he made you suffer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lom
    why he during 2-3 months didn't travel back to Sweden
    or why the police did not question him while he was still in sweden

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lom
    why he during 2-3 months didn't travel back to Sweden
    or why the police did not question him while he was still in sweden
    He was in Sweden for a few days, for a seminar and also for signing a contract as columnist for the biggest Swedish evening paper.
    He left as planned and the rape accusations were filed after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom
    He was in Sweden for a few days
    or weeks ?

    On 20 August 2010, an investigation was opened against Assange and an arrest warrant issued in Sweden in connection with sexual encounters with two women, aged 26 and 31, one in Enköping and the other in Stockholm. The second woman had organized a seminar and news conference in Sweden for Assange, was acting as Assange's spokeswoman, and hosting him as a guest in her home during his stay in Sweden. Shortly after the investigation opened, chief prosecutor Eva Finné overruled the prosecutor on call the night the report was filed, withdrawing the warrant to arrest Assange and saying "I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape." An investigation continued with respect to a possible charge of harassment, as defined by local law. Assange denied the charges, said he had consensual sexual encounters with the two women, and said along with his supporters that they were an attempt at character assassination and smear campaign. He was questioned by police for an hour on 31 August, and on 1 September a senior Swedish prosecutor, Marianne Ny, re-opened the investigation saying new information had come in. The women's lawyer, Claes Borgström, a Swedish politician, had earlier appealed against the decision not to proceed
    Julian Assange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia sex offenses

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    maybe save some outrage for this story

    WikiLeaks: Texas Company Helped Pimp Little Boys To Stoned Afghan Cops - Houston News - Hair Balls

    WikiLeaks: Texas Company Helped Pimp Little Boys To Stoned Afghan Cops
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    US embassy cables: Afghan government asks US to quash 'dancing boys' scandal | World news | guardian.co.uk

    Wednesday, 24 June 2009, 11:37
    C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 KABUL 001651
    SIPDIS
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    EO 12958 DECL: 06/23/2019
    TAGS PREL, PGOV, MARR, MASS, AF
    SUBJECT: 06/23/09 MEETING, ASSISTANT AMB MUSSOMELI AND MOI
    MINISTER ATMAR: KUNDUZ DYNCORP PROBLEM, TRANSPORT FOR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES AND OTHER TOPICS
    REF: KABUL 1480
    Classified By: POLMIL COUNSELOR ROBERT CLARKE FOR REASONS 1.4 (B) AND ( D)
    1. (C) SUMMARY: Assistant Ambassador Mussomeli discussed a range of issues with Minister of Interior (MoI) Hanif Atmar on June 23. On the Kunduz Regional Training Center (RTC) DynCorp event of April 11 (reftel), Atmar reiterated his insistence that the U.S. try to quash any news article on the incident or circulation of a video connected with it. He continued to predict that publicity would "endanger lives." He disclosed that he has arrested two Afghan police and nine other Afghans as part of an MoI investigation into Afghans who facilitated this crime of "purchasing a service from a child." He pressed for CSTC-A to be given full control over the police training program, including contractors. Mussomeli counseled that an overreaction by the Afghan goverment (GIRoA) would only increase chances for the greater publicity the MoI is trying to forestall.
    2. (C) On armored vehicles and air transport for presidential candidates, Atmar pitched strongly to have the GIRoA decide which candidates were under threat and to retain control of allocation of these assets. He agreed with the principle of a level playing field for candidates but argued that "direct support by foreigners" demonstrated a lack of confidence in GIRoA. If GIRoA failed to be fair, international assets and plans in reserve could be used. On another elections-related issue, Atmar claimed that two Helmand would-be provincial candidates (and key Karzai supporters) disqualified under DIAG rules had actually possessed weapons as part of a GIRoA contract to provide security for contractors.
    3. (C) Atmar also was enthusiastic about working out arrangements with the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade (MEB) in RC-South to partner with the Afghan Border Police (ABP) on training and joint operations to extend GIRoA governance south. He is considering giving BG">BG Melham, a highly regarded Afghan officer, responsibility for ABP in Nimruz and Helmand provinces. END SUMMARY.
    KUNDUZ RTC DYNCORP UPDATE
    4. (C) On June 23, Assistant Ambassador Mussomeli met with MOI Minister Hanif Atmar on a number of issues, beginning with the April 11 Kunduz RTC DynCorp investigation. Amb Mussomeli opened that the incident deeply upset us and we took strong steps in response. An investigation is on-going, disciplinary actions were taken against DynCorp leaders in Afghanistan, we are also aware of proposals for new procedures, such as stationing a military officer at RTCs, that have been introduced for consideration. (Note: Placing military officers to oversee contractor operations at RTCs is not legally possible under the currentDynCorp contract.) Beyond remedial actions taken, we still hope the matter will not be blown out of proportion, an outcome which would not be good for either the U.S. or Afghanistan. A widely-anticipated newspaper article on the Kunduz scandal has not appeared but, if there is too much noise that may prompt the journalist to publish.
    5. (C) Atmar said he insisted the journalist be told that publication would endanger lives. His request was that the U.S. quash the article and release of the video. Amb Mussomeli responded that going to the journalist would give her the sense that there is a more terrible story to report. Atmar then disclosed the arrest of two Afghan National Police (ANP) and nine other Afghans (including RTC language assistants) as part of an MoI investigation into Afghan "facilitators" of the event. The crime he was pursuing was "purchasing a service from a child," which in Afghanistan is illegal under both Sharia law and the civil code, and against the ANP Code of Conduct for police officers who might be involved. He said he would use the civil code and that, in this case, the institution of the ANP will be protected, but he worried about the image of foreign mentors. Atmar said that President Karzai had told him that his (Atmar's) "prestige" was in play in management of the Kunduz DynCorp matter and another recent event in which Blackwater contractors mistakenly killed several Afghan citizens. The President had asked him "Where is the justice?"
    6. (C) Atmar said there was a larger issue to consider. He
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    understood that within DynCorp there were many "wonderful" people working hard, and he was keen to see proper action taken to protect them; but, these contractor companies do not have many friends. He was aware that many questions about them go to SRAP Holbrooke and, in Afghanistan, there is increasing public skepticism about contractors. On the other hand, the conduct of the Combined Security Transition Command-Afghanistan (CSTC-A) is disciplined. Looking at these facts, he said, he wanted CSTC-A in charge. He wanted the ANP to become a model security institution just like the Afghan National Army (ANA) and National Directorate for Security (NDS), and the contractors were not producing what was desired. He suggested that the U.S. establish and independent commission to review the mentor situation, an idea he said Ambassador Eikenberry had first raised. Atmar added that he also wanted tighter control over Afghan employees. He was convinced that the Kunduz incident, and other events where mentors had obtained drugs, could not have happened without Afghan participation.
    ARMORED VEHICLES (AND AIR TRANSPORT) FOR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
    7. (C) Atmar expressed strong opinions about the use of armored vehicles for travel by presidential candidates that he has requested be provided to MoI by the U.S. and UK. He said it was up to MoI to decide whether a candidate was under threat or not. Atmar opined that it should be an MoD responsibility to provide air transport for presidential candidates. Amb Mussomeli explained that we want a level playing field, which Atmar agreed was necessary. However, Atmar said there were two important considerations: 1) some of the electorate will view that the candidates are controlled by foreigners if provided non-GIRoA transport; and 2) bypassing the MoI or MoD with "direct support by foreigners" demonstrated a lack of confidence in the Afghanistan government. When Amb Mussomeli said MOD lacked adequate aircraft to cover all candidates, Atmar responded that MoD could ask ISAF for help but should retain control of the travel. Amb Mussomeli pointed out that some reasonably worried that such a plan will falter or will not be fairly implemented. Atmar answered "Just give us a chance. If we fail, then you have your own planes and plans in reserve."
    DIAG-DISQUALIFIED CANDIDATES IN HELMAND
    8. (C) In a discussion on two would-be provincial election candidates in Helmand who were disqualified by the Disbandment of Illegally Armed Groups (DIAG) program, Atmar said he had looked into requests to stand firm against their reinstatement, but it was a "big, contentious issue that is not explainable to President Karzai." Atmar said that the only reason these two candidates were barred was for having weapons, apparently against DIAG rules. In fact, he said, they were "contracted by the state" to have those weapons in order to provide security for contractors. He acknowledged that the "contract" had not been properly registered, and suggested that the GIRoA would take care of the registration.
    AFGHAN BORDER POLICE (ABP) AND PARTNERING WITH THE MARINES IN RC-SOUTH
    9. (C) Atmar enthusiastically proposed an MOI meeting with the leadership of the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade (MEB) and CSTC-A to work out arrangements for good partnering, training, and joint operations with Afghan security forces in RC-South. The MEB would like two ABP companies (approximately 250 police) currently located near Lashkar Gah to move south, and to be mobile enough to move further south when opportunities arise. The MEB would like a customs officer to be attached to these ABP companies so that the reach of GIRoA governance can be extended when insurgent-controlled or dominated territory is opened. Atmar stopped short of making a final promise to give a highly-regarded Afghan officer, BG">BG Melham (whom he personally respects), responsibility for the ABP in Nimruz and Helmand provinces, but he was aware of concerns about the current responsible officer (BG">BG Noorzai).
    KABUL INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL (ISK)
    10. (U) Amb Mussomeli expressed concern over a plan by a District Police Chief to remove security barriers at ISK (an primary and secondary school partially dependent on USAID and other Mission funding support) that keep the road closed to
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    normal traffic. Removing the barriers could endanger the kids and teachers who walk between two compounds. Atmar said that he was very familiar with ISK and "no barriers would be touched," although he added that perhaps an arrangement could be made to unblock the road and have the ISK security personnel search vehicles.
    EIKENBERRY

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    and said along with his supporters that they were an attempt at character assassination and smear campaign.
    So all his supporters were present during the sex?
    I think this is a confusion from Assanges side, he is used to play by Aussie rules where you don't have to ask the sheep before you shag it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom
    he is used to play by Aussie rules where you don't have to ask the sheep before you shag it
    that would be the kiwis - kangaroos are much more vigorous in their dissent

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    Now we have heard from all the ones in the press claiming to be in the know and it has been generously posted here on TD as the pure unadulterated truth although the Swedish attorney general in accordance with judicial principles haven't released publicly what they actually have on Assange, It is preposterous to believe in all the conspiracy crap, it is purely a criminal case in Sweden and Assanges other exploits have no bearing on it.

    The Swedish Government have no say in the proceedings since the Swedish courts are completely and utterly independent from political influence and control, and then it gives that no other nation have powers to influence anything as-well.

    It is entirely possible that Assange is innocent but that have to be proven in a court of law, and not in tabloids protecting their own backsides and self-serving interest in an unaccountable right to spread whatever you get your hands on.

    But it is also possible that people one day will wake up with the headache that they have participated in unscrupulously smearing the victims of sexual assault, that they have been instrumental in apologizing for a sex-offender, downplaying a crime and promoting an outlook on male predatory behavior that we normally associate with the worst scum.

    We shall just wait and see!!







    Special Report: STD fears sparked case against WikiLeaks boss

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    Swedish Director of Prosecution Marianne Ny answers questions during a news conference at the police headquarters in Gothenburg December 7, 2010. The sexual misconduct case against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is a personal matter and not connected with his work releasing secret U.S. diplomatic cables, Ny said on Tuesday.
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    By Mark Hosenball
    WASHINGTON | Tue Dec 7, 2010 4:27pm EST

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) The two Swedish women who accuse WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of sexual misconduct were at first not seeking to bring charges against him. They just wanted to track him down and persuade him to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases, according to several people in contact with his entourage at the time.
    The women went to the police together after they failed to persuade Assange to go to a doctor after separate sexual encounters with him in August, according to these people, who include former close associates of Assange who have since fallen out with him.
    The women had trouble finding Assange because he had turned off his cellphone out of concern his enemies might trace him, these sources said.
    Assange, who was arrested and held in custody by a British court Tuesday, has both admirers and detractors. His WikiLeaks group publishes secret documents from governments and companies, most recently making public a vast trove of U.S. State Department cables between Washington and embassies abroad that have cast a revealing and sometimes embarrassing eye on the inner workings of U.S. diplomacy.
    Assange's elusiveness may have worked against him in the Swedish investigation, which might well have gone nowhere had he taken the women's calls and not left Sweden when police started looking into the allegations.
    The Swedish investigation has undergone head-spinning twists and turns. After initially issuing a warrant for Assange's arrest on rape and molestation charges in mid-August, a Swedish prosecutor dropped the rape charge the next day. After this U-turn, it appeared likely that the whole investigation of the 39-year-old Australian computer hacker would be abandoned.
    Assange's accusers then hired a lawyer who declared he would press prosecutors not only to keep the investigation going but to reinstate rape charges. The case was soon transferred to one of Sweden's three Directors of Public Prosecutions, Marianne Ny, who indeed decided to reinstate the rape investigation and continue the molestation probe. She ordered that Assange should be subject to official interrogation about the allegations.
    After Assange left the country, Swedish authorities issued a European arrest warrant under which Assange could be detained and returned to Sweden. A spokeswoman for Swedish prosecutors affirmed, however, that at the moment Assange is not formally charged in Sweden with any criminal offense, but is only wanted for questioning.
    SWEDISH ENCOUNTERS
    The most serious accusation Swedish prosecutors made against him in a statement on their website is that he committed "rape, less serious crime" -- the least serious of three levels of rape charges that are on the statute books in Sweden. Conviction carries a maximum four year jail sentence and a minimum of less than two years, depending upon the circumstances.
    As described by several people who were in contact with Assange and his inner circle at the time the allegations against him surfaced, both of his accusers are young Swedish women who came into contact with him during a visit to Sweden on behalf of WikiLeaks.
    One of the women, identified in the British court hearing on Sweden's extradition request as Miss A, was listed on publicity for Assange's Swedish visit as a spokesperson for a group hosting the WikiLeaks leader.
    People who were in contact with both Assange and other members of his entourage at the time say that the woman at some point invited him to stay at her residence.
    Assange's financial resources are opaque, but by most accounts he maintains an austere lifestyle, supporting himself on the donations of wealthy and not-so-rich supporters and overnighting in a succession of friends' spare rooms.
    According to the accounts of Assange's associates, his overnight stays at his erstwhile spokeswoman's residence soon evolved into a sexual relationship between the two. During one of their encounters, the woman later said, a condom Assange was wearing broke or split.


    Link: Special Report: STD fears sparked case against WikiLeaks boss | Reuters
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    Brits Limit Assange Internet Access in Segregated Cell
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    Dec 10, 2010

    He can't stand daytime TV at prison

    (Newser) – WikiLeaks boss Julian Assange is being transferred to a segregation unit at Britain's Victorian Wandsworth prison, where his Internet access will be restricted, reports the Guardian. He's "quite chipper" and seems to be "bearing up," said attorney Mark Stephens. Assange, who's wearing standard-issue gray track-suit prison duds, complained about the prison's daytime TV, adding that now he "doesn't have access to a computer, even without an Internet connection, or to writing material," said Stephens.

    Prison authorities are arranging to provide Assange with a computer so he can work on his case, but it will have limited Internet access. His lawyers were refused permission to bring him his laptop. There were indications Assange requested a segregated cell because of the high level of inmate interest in him. Fellow prisoners appear to be largely supportive of Assange, said his attorney. He's being held on a Swedish warrant on suspicion of two sex assaults. His lawyers fear US officials will try instead to extradite Assange to face espionage charges not yet filed. Assange's attorneys will argue for bail next week.

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    This could become a real watershed moment in history.

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    WikiLeaks 'rape' victims had hidden agendas, I've seen the proof: Assange's lawyer

    WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s lawyer says he has seen secret police documents that prove the whistleblower is innocent of rape claims made against him by two women in Stockholm.

    Björn Hurtig, who is representing Mr Assange in Sweden, said the papers, which form part of the official Swedish investigation, reveal both women had ‘hidden agendas’ and lied about being coerced into having sex with Mr Assange, 39.

    The freedom of information crusader is being held in Wandsworth jail in London while fighting extradition to face the accusations, which his defenders say are part of a plot to stop him releasing more embarrassing information on his website about governments worldwide.

    Australian Mr Assange met both women at a seminar in Stockholm last August. After having intercourse with each, at different times, he faced sex charges – which he strenuously denies – that were withdrawn and then reinstated.

    Mr Hurtig said in an exclusive interview from his Stockholm office: ‘From what I have read, it is clear that the women are lying and that they had an agenda when they went to the police, which had nothing to do with a crime having taken place.

    ‘It was, I believe, more about jealousy and disappointment on their part. I can prove that at least one of them had very big expectations for something to happen with Julian.’

    He has asked for Swedish prosecutors’ permission to disclose more ‘sensational’ information.

    ‘If I am able to reveal what I know, everyone will realise this is all a charade,’ he said. ‘If I could tell the British courts, I suspect it would make extradition a moot point.

    ‘But at the moment I’m bound by the rules of the Swedish legal system, which say that the information can only be used as evidence in this country. For me to do otherwise would lead to me being disbarred.’

    Mr Hurtig, a top sex-crime defence lawyer, is ready to fly to London and present the evidence when Mr. Assange appears in court this week – if he is given the all-clear.

    nation.com.pk

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    The validity of Swedish case is basically irrelevant. The intent of the whole exercise is to keep Assange in custody, then extradited to Sweden and keep him in custody there until he can be then extradited on to USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    The intent of the whole exercise is to keep Assange in custody, then extradited to Sweden and keep him in custody there until he can be then extradited on to USA.
    A bit of historical study of US-Swedish relations would have told you how unlikely that is but don't let your ignorance to do so stop your conspiracy theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    The intent of the whole exercise is to keep Assange in custody, then extradited to Sweden and keep him in custody there until he can be then extradited on to USA.
    A bit of historical study of US-Swedish relations would have told you how unlikely that is but don't let your ignorance to do so stop your conspiracy theory.
    The Swedish case for Assanges extradition and detention there is based on the complaint of two Swedish women in accordance with Swedish law. Those are the facts.

    Do try not to let your imagination run away with you and read too much into it there mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    The intent of the whole exercise is to keep Assange in custody, then extradited to Sweden and keep him in custody there until he can be then extradited on to USA.
    A bit of historical study of US-Swedish relations would have told you how unlikely that is but don't let your ignorance to do so stop your conspiracy theory.
    And a read of the wikileaks cables on the current US-Sweden relationship (what neutrality?) might tell you just how much Sweden is yet another US lapdog. But, hey, don't let the truth get in the way of a foolish pride in the fake independence of a country whose government has played its people for fools. Sweden's government is in the same position as most European governments, mine included, desperately gumming US cock.
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    It is a little perplexing that two women are involved here.
    Possibly a need to negate the " her word against mine" argument ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Sweden's government is in the same position as most European governments, mine included, desperately gumming US cock.
    There is one country in Europe that has special relations to the US and which has its mouth full of Uncles cock the others are only aiming for the drips that falls to the ground.
    May I remind you about Germany's and Sweden's harsh critic of the Iraq war and their refusal to join the coalition of the willing?

    Do you honestly believe that Assange would be safer in Britain than in Sweden in case the US asks for his extradition?
    There is no logic in that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom
    There is one country in Europe that has special relations to the US and which has its mouth full of Uncles cock the others are only aiming for the drips that falls to the ground. May I remind you about Germany's and Sweden's harsh critic of the Iraq war and their refusal to join the coalition of the willing?
    You can remind me but, again, the wikileaks cables show the Swedish government were lying about that one, they gave plenty of support without actually committing to troops. Assuming you've actually read the cables why do you think the US described sweden as "a covert member of Nato"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lom
    Do you honestly believe that Assange would be safer in Britain than in Sweden in case the US asks for his extradition? There is no logic in that at all.
    No, I don't think it's likely, if the US want him from Britain they can get him, I don't doubt that. Just wanted to point out that Sweden is no different from the other "neutral" European countries. In reality all European governments are the US's bitches.

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    Assange due in court in London over sex-crime case
    DAVID STRINGER
    Associated Press Writer Rohan Sulivan in Sydney contributed to this report.


    Supporters of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, some wearing masks depicting him and holding placards participate at a demonstration outside the Swedish Embassy In central London, Monday, Dec. 13, 2010. Assange remains in a U.K. jail ahead…

    LONDON (AP) - WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was scheduled to appear in a London court Tuesday seeking to fight his extradition to Sweden in a sex-crimes investigation and trying to secure bail after being held for a week in a British prison cell.

    The 39-year-old Australian was ordered held in custody by a judge at a hearing a week ago after surrendering himself to Scotland Yard to answer a Swedish arrest warrant.

    Assange is wanted for questioning after two women accused him of sexual misconduct in separate encounters in Sweden over the summer. Lawyers for Assange say he denies the allegations and will contest the attempt to extradite him for questioning.

    Assange's lawyer, Mark Stephens, said his client would offer to be electronically tagged and stay at an address known to the police.
    "One's never going to count one's chickens until they're hatched, but I hope that in these circumstances the district judge will feel confident" granting bail, Stephens told Sky News.

    He will be represented in court by Geoffrey Robertson, a former appeals judge at the U.N. Special Court for Sierra Leone who has specializes in freedom of speech cases. Robertson's former clients include author Salman Rushdie.

    Supporters were planning to protest Assange's detention outside the court, following a small rally on Monday outside Sweden's embassy in London.
    Some of Assange's supporters suspect the extradition request has been motivated by WikiLeaks' decision last month to begin publishing its trove of about 250,000 secret U.S. diplomatic cables, something Swedish officials have denied.

    Assange remained defiant in comments from prison relayed Tuesday by his mother. Australia's Seven network said Christine Assange spoke to her son by phone for 10 minutes and asked him, at the network's request, whether it had been worth it.

    "My convictions are unfaltering," the network quoted Julian Assange as saying. "I remain true to the ideals I have expressed. This circumstance shall not shake them. If anything, this process has increased my determination that they are true and correct."

    The disclosures, which have continued unaffected since Assange was detained in prison, have offended some U.S. allies and angered its rivals. Officials in Washington claim some other countries have already curtailed their dealings with the U.S. government as a result.

    At an hour-long court hearing last week, lawyer Gemma Lindfield - acting for Swedish police - said Assange is accused of rape, molestation and unlawful coercion.

    She told the court one woman had accused Assange of pinning her down and refusing to use a condom during an encounter on Aug. 14 in Stockholm. That woman also accused of Assange of molesting her in a way "designed to violate her sexual integrity" several days later.

    A second woman has accused Assange of having sex with her without a condom while he was a guest at her Stockholm home and she was asleep.
    In Sweden, a person who has sex with an unconscious, drunk or sleeping person can be convicted of rape and sentenced to up to six years in prison.
    Assange's Swedish lawyer, Bjorn Hurtig, claims the courts are stacked against defendants in sex cases in Sweden.

    However, a 2009 European Commission-funded study found only 10 percent of sex offenses reported in Sweden result in a conviction.

    Lawyers for Assange said they will make a new application Tuesday to have him freed on bail, and will offer to post a hefty bond with the court. Several high-profile Britons - including socialite Jemima Khan and filmmaker Ken Loach - have offered to contribute 20,000 pounds ($31,500) each.

    A decision on whether to extradite Assange is expected to take several weeks. Both Assange and the Swedish government are entitled to appeal against the ruling if the judge rules against them.

    Britain's government said Monday that the country's national security adviser believes government websites could be attacked in retribution if Assange is not released.

    Government departments have been told they could be targeted by online "hacktivists," following attacks on companies including MasterCard Inc., Visa Inc. and PayPal Inc., which cut ties to the WikiLeaks site.

    In his statement, Assange called those companies "instruments of U.S. foreign policy."

    "I am calling on the world to protect my work and my people from these illegal and immoral attacks," he was quoted as saying.

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    BBC News - Wikileaks founder Julian Assange granted bail

    14 December 2010 Last updated at 17:16 GMT Share this

    Wikileaks founder Julian Assange granted bail


    The founder of whistle-blowing website Wikileaks, Julian Assange, has been granted bail in London on conditions including cash guarantees of £240,000.

    But he is expected to remain in prison overnight as the £200,000 cash required up-front by the court is collected.

    His lawyer Mark Stephens said it would take an "inordinately long period of time" for supporters to find the money.

    Mr Assange is fighting extradition to Sweden, accused of sexually assaulting two women - charges he denies.

    There is confusion about whether Swedish prosecutors plan to lodge an appeal against Mr Assange's release on bail.

    Such a challenge could delay the Australian's release from Wandsworth Prison, in south-west London.

    Mr Assange was granted bail on condition he provides a security of £200,000 to the court, with a further £40,000 guaranteed in two sureties of £20,000 each.

    He must also surrender his passport, obey a curfew at a specified address, wear an electronic tag and report to a local police station every evening.

    A number of demonstrators gathered outside City of Westminster Magistrates' Court for the bail hearing on Tuesday.

    Mr Assange is due to return to the court on 11 January.

    'Common sense'

    A large crowd of reporters and a number of Mr Assange's high-profile supporters were also outside the court.

    Following the bail decision, novelist Tariq Ali said: "I'm very pleased that he is out. I think the extradition charges should now be dealt with in the same way.

    "His barrister made the same point, that this is not rape under English law and there is absolutely no reason for extradition.

    "We are delighted he is out and he should never have been locked up in the first place."

    Author Yvonne Ridley said: "It is a victory for common sense. If he had been refused bail, it would have meant the court had become a political arena."

    In his first appearance at court last week, Mr Assange was refused bail on the grounds he could flee - despite the offer of sureties from figures including film director Ken Loach.

    Mr Assange is accused of having unprotected sex with a woman, identified only as Miss A, when she insisted he use a condom.

    He is also accused of having unprotected sex with another woman, Miss W, while she was asleep.

    Mr Assange claims the charges are politically motivated and designed to discredit him.

    Earlier on Tuesday, Christine Assange told Australian television station Channel 7 that she had spoken to her son in prison.

    "I told him how people all over the world, in all sorts of countries, were standing up with placards and screaming out for his freedom and justice and he was very heartened by that," she said.

    "As a mother, I'm asking the world to stand up for my brave son."

    'No access'

    Ms Assange also read a statement from him, which she had copied down when he spoke to her from Wandsworth Prison. In it, he defended the actions of Wikileaks, adding: "My convictions are unfaltering."

    His lawyer Mark Stephens said he had not been given any of his post - including legal letters - since being remanded in custody.

    "He has absolutely no access to any electronic equipment, no access to the outside world, no access to outside media," he said.

    Mr Stephens said the only correspondence his client had received was a note telling him that a copy of Time magazine sent to him had been destroyed because the cover bore his photograph.

    In recent weeks, Wikileaks has published a series of US diplomatic cables revealing secret information on topics such as terrorism and international relations.

    The latest release, published by the Guardian newspaper, shows that the US had concerns after the 7 July bombings that the UK was not doing enough to tackle home-grown extremists.

    Another cable claims British police helped "develop" evidence against Madeleine McCann's parents after she went missing.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Michael Moore joins list of media figures offering bail surety for Julian Assange

    Posted: 14 December 2010 By: Laura Oliver


    Filmmaker Michael Moore said today he had wired money to the Magistrates Court ahead of Assange's bail hearing. Photo: Nicolas Genin on Flickr. Some rights reserved.

    Film and documentary maker Michael Moore has joined the list of media figures offering support to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange ahead of his second bail application today.

    Moore, who is best know for directing and producing the films Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, has offered $20,000 surety for Assange, who was arrested last week over allegations of sexually assaulting two women in Sweden.

    On Wednesday Assange was refused bail by the judge at the City of Westminster Magistrates' Court and has been remanded in custody until today's hearing, where he will make a renewed application for bail.

    WikiLeaks' is part way through the release of more than 250,000 diplomatic cables sent from US embassies across the world, which have been published by the website and via partner media organisations, including the Guardian.


    The filmmaker says he will also give "the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving". Speaking in a blog post on his website, Moore is critical of attacks from US politicians on WikiLeaks and Assange, such as senator Joe Lieberman's claims that the site has violated the US Espionage Act.

    "I will not allow this injustice to continue unchallenged," he writes.

    At his first bail hearing last week journalist John Pilger and film director Ken Loach were amongst those promising sureties for the whistleblowing website's editor.

    In a witness statement to Westminster Magistrates Court, Moore says he supports Assange as "a pioneer of free speech, transparent government and the digital revolution in journalism".

    "In September 2008, I released my first free movie on the Internet, Slacker Uprising, documenting my personal crusade to encourage more Americans to vote in presidential elections. These experiences underpinned my conviction that it is the duty of a free press to probe, and hold government and the powerful to account - and that citizens must be properly informed and have access to information in order to exercise their democratic rights," he says in the statement.

    "Governments have always been discomfited by a probing press. With the hollowing out of newsrooms, in large part as a consequence of the new digital world, old media have largely abandoned the territory of investigative journalism.

    "...It dishonours this court to be used in this way, holding this man without bail. Julian has made the world, and my country in particular, a safer place. His actions with WikiLeaks have put on notice those who would take us to war based on lies that any future attempts to do so will be met by the fierce bright light provided by WikiLeaks and intended to expose those who commit their war crimes. His actions will make them think twice next time - and for that we all owe him a debt of gratitude."

    Moore says in the statement that absconding and breaking terms of any bail granted would harm Assange's reputation in the media and journalism industries and suggests the WikiLeaks founder would not risk this.

    Moore adds that he will not be able to attend today's hearing, which is scheduled for 2pm according to Westminster Magistrates Court, but has wired money to the court.

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    Did he or didn't he? The murky politics of sex and consent
    Guy Rundle
    December 12, 2010


    Assange supporters at the US Consulate General in Hong Kong.
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    IT WAS 2pm in central Westminster Magistrates Court No. 6, a modern chamber, done in blond wood, looking curiously Scandinavian in style, and the world's press were so focused on celebrities such as John Pilger and Jemima Khan crowded behind the defence desk, that few noticed Julian Assange slip into the room. Neatly dressed, more solid than he appears on screen, his white hair neatly clipped, he took his seat behind the semi-circular glass screen.

    He stood again to answer the clerk's first question: ''Are you Julian Paul Assange?''

    ''That is correct,'' he said.


    Australians rally in support of Assange in Sydney.
    Photo: AFP

    Assange would have to be other than human not to be wondering how it had come to this. Having just begun the release of 250,000 diplomatic cables, the group's editor-in-chief nevertheless remained free of any criminal charge relating to them. Instead he was here, fighting extradition to Sweden, where he had once hoped to base WikiLeaks, accused of rape and sexual misconduct by two women he had met in the August holidays.

    The facts of the case have become known by now. Assange had undertaken a speaking tour of Sweden, partly organised by a left Christian activist, Anna Ardin, an officer with the Social Democratic Party's ''Brotherhood'' faction.

    Also attending was 26-year-old Sofia Wilen, who became an unofficial photographer of sorts.

    Assange was staying with Ardin, then he was with Wilen, and then later in the week he went back to a crayfish party at Ardin's place, pausing only to text Wilen. Ardin later threw him out, and at the end of the week, the two women - who did not know each other - had compared notes and gone to Klara police station in Stockholm to inquire about forcing Assange to take an STI test. In the hands of the police, that became a rape and misconduct allegation, dropped and then reinstated within a week.

    In court, the nature of those allegations was finally made clear. The Crown Prosecution Service presented the four Swedish Prosecution Service accusations: two were of a specific Swedish crime called ''ofredande'', or misconduct (misleadingly translated as molestation), one being that the defendant ''pushed his erect penis against the complainant's back, thus violating her sexual integrity'', the other for unsafe sex ''against the complainant's explicitly stated wish''. There is one charge of sexual assault, which alleges that Assange had sex with Wilen while she was asleep, and the most serious charge is that he held Ardin down with his body weight, forced her legs open, and had sex with her.

    The last accusation would qualify as a reasonable rape charge anywhere, the ''morning glory'' almost nowhere; the other two depend on the detailed nature of the accusation, none of which has seen the light of day - the unsafe sex charge for example, does not allege non-consent, simply an earlier expression of opposition to the practice. Even with later consent, this can still count as a crime in Sweden.

    By now, the whole story of the encounters - whose non-consensual nature Assange fiercely denies - was circulating around the world, throwing many people, especially those inspired by the WikiLeaks project, into confusion.

    For 40 years, since the rise of second-wave feminism, it has been an article of progressive faith that a range of older habits of thought concerning rape should be junked. The character and history of the victim, behaviour after the event, the nature of the alleged attacker - all these were to be separated from an assessment of whether a crime had taken place. The social-psychological impossibility of fully lowering this curtain has always been lurking. In this case it has come to the fore.

    Overwhelmingly this focused on Ardin, who became passionately interested in WikiLeaks, arranging several lectures for Assange and accommodation at her place. On August 10 she tweeted excitedly that her Christian activist group had invited Assange to Sweden and ''han kommer!'' - he will come.

    The next week, at that crayfish party, she tweeted, ''I'm with the coolest most exciting people in the world.''

    That tweet, occurring three days after the alleged rape, would later be deleted from her Twitter feed, though it persisted in the Google cache, and was recirculated. People I spoke to at Uppsala University, where I studied in 2007, and where Ardin was at one time the student union gender equality officer, largely knew her second-hand, describing her as well-known for extreme, mildly obsessive enthusiasms. None of that would mean anything, but Ardin had also annoyed many people by posting on her blog a seven-step guide to revenge on ex-lovers, which advocated ''the big lie'', and getting the law involved. Gender equality officer at Uppsala University is to Sweden what holding the Norm Smith Medal is to Melburnians: it's not something you traduce. The revenge guide also disappeared from her blog, and was retrieved from the Google cache.

    Further difficulties are created by the interview that Ardin gave to Aftonbladet daily three days after the police were first contacted. Here she said, ''It is quite wrong that we were afraid of him. He is not violent and I do not feel threatened by him … [The] responsibility for what happened to me and the other girl lies with a man who has a twisted attitude to women and a problem with taking 'no' for an answer.''

    Which still alleges sexual assault, but appears to contradict the outlining of the most serious rape charge. Rightly or wrongly, most prosecutors wouldn't proceed, as Stockholm prosecutor Eva Finne decided not to do - although she let accusations of ''ofredande'' stand.

    But Sweden has an internally entrepreneurial public service culture, and Marianne Ny, a prosecutor attached to a special crime development unit in Gothenburg, on the other side of Sweden, took the case. She had been persuaded to by Claes Borgstrom, a member, like Ardin, of the Social Democratic Party - indeed, an ex-government minister, and gender equality ombudsman.

    Ny proceeded with the case, the courts permitted Assange to come to London to work on the ''cablegate'' release, and Ny and Assange's lawyers differ over who made it impossible for an interview to take place, such that a European arrest warrant was finally issued.

    By the time that came around, the scepticism directed at Ardin and Wilen was no longer confined to the masculinist world of hacking. The event was provoking a full-scale debate within feminism. Naomi Wolf, author of The Beauty Myth, wrote a satirical piece asking Interpol to arrest every jerk boyfriend she'd ever had, and Naomi Klein remarked that rape accusations were being used in the same way as women's rights were used to power the Afghan war, while the Swedish group Women Against Rape questioned why this case was getting such fast-track attention.

    That contradiction was brought to the fore by the suspicion that a right-wing Swedish government, desirous of ending its decades-long neutrality policy, was using the case to detain Assange long enough for extradition to be served. The timing of the warrants - matching key moments in the ''cablegate'' releases, and the involvement of heavy hitters such as Borgstrom in the mix - suggest to many that the women's inquiries, which were never made as charges, have been taken over. Borgstrom told reporters asking about this that the women ''aren't jurists. They don't know what rape is.''

    Given that Ardin has written a gender equality manual that is still on the Uppsala University website, one has some doubts. Is it possible that the women are being strong-armed into continuing the case? Ardin's recent tweets include expressions of support for WikiLeaks in its battles with PayPal etc, suggesting she's no Hedda Gabler. But they also have a reference to Bjasta, a town that celebrated a boy who'd raped two local girls who were then shunned.

    Wilen has disappeared from sight completely. And conspiracy theories flourish on the wilder shores of the Baltic. Did Ardin charge a student with sexual discrimination for ''not looking at me'' while she was giving a lecture? Should we pay attention to her background among right-wing Cuban exiles, her stint in Washington, DC, the military side of her family, her cousin Mattias being a very senior liaison officer between NATO and Swedish forces in Afghanistan?

    What of Assange? If we don't assess him as any less likely to force sex, by virtue of his leftish politics, do we have the right to go the other way and ponder the deep strain of masculism that runs through his blog/manifesto IQ.ORG - where he effectively dismisses the possibility of women being capable of performing the sort of maths necessary for WikiLeaks-level hacking? We don't know. We're still holding our breath, waiting to see what is said in that faux Scandinavian court next week, while day by day the remorseless drip of cables changes the state, the public and information in the 21st century.

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    'Assange's accusers are WikiLeaks fans'
    Dec 25, 2010

    STOCKHOLM - THE two Swedish women accusing Julian Assange of sex crimes are supporters of WikiLeaks, not pawns of the CIA, and they simply seek justice for a violation of their 'sexual integrity', their lawyer says.

    Claes Borgstrom, a self-professed feminist who used to be Sweden's ombudsman for gender equality, told The Associated Press he finds it 'very upsetting' that Assange, his lawyers and some supporters are suggesting the case is a smear campaign against WikiLeaks, the secret-spilling website Assange founded.

    'He's been spreading false rumours that he knows are untrue. It's reckless against these two women,' Ms Borgstrom said by phone Thursday. 'They, too, are supporters of WikiLeaks. They support its work.' Assange denies the allegations of sexual misconduct, which his lawyers say stem from a dispute over 'consensual but unprotected sex.' He has not been charged.

    The lawyer said Assange had every right to reject the women's sex claims but says Assange is, in essence, accusing them of breaking the law by suggesting they are driven by ulterior motives.

    'There is no truth to this whatsoever,' he added.

    British newspaper The Times recently quoted Assange as saying there is 'very suggestive evidence' the two women were motivated by revenge, money and police pressure. When the investigation started after the August incidents, Assange said he had been warned about 'dirty tricks' from the Pentagon, though he later said he wasn't pointing fingers at anyone.

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    So, 2 women invite him to stay with them sleeping in the same bed and then get the arse when they realise that they weren't his exclusive partner for the few days he was in Sweden?

    Fuck them - stupid bitches.

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