Thread: Australian has abandoned me: Assange

Mordechai Vanunu (Israeli nuclear technician who divulged, like wiki, what we already knew- in this case Israel's nuke program & arsenal) was also netted in a honeytrap. He spent 18 years in prison for it- over 11 of them in solitary confinement. Now 'released' he is under virtual house arrest, unable to talk to the media. If there has ever been an extradition case mounted by Sweden over admitted consensual sex, but which in one case involved an alleged broken condom, and another an allegation of having sexually penetrated a previously sexually penetrated sexual partner while she was allegedly sleeping, I would indeed be curious to hear of it. But I believe there is no such precedent.



Yes, Australia has abandoned Julian Assange, because Australia is a coward. I don't always agree with or appreciate the outcomes associated with our western/ democratic attachment to the Rule of Law etc, but these days I am much more concerned with our apparent societal move away from these principles, at least at State level. Who has been held accountable for lying about another country developing WMD's, as a false pretext to invade them? We now feel free to violate other nations territorial sovereignty (as enshrined in international law), and stage kidnappings, assasination raids, etc- and, in very recent history, we were torturing people. Did this happen with such impunity during the Cold War, when we surely faced a potentially much more formidable adversary than a bunch of ragtag jihadists? I don't believe so. To me, it is merely symptomatic of our slipping diplomatic, military, economic, and - above all- moral sway over the world. We abandoned the high ground, if indeed we truly ever had it. Such a waste.

Originally Posted by sabang

But I am certainly suspicious that an extradition case should be mounted on such trivial grounds. Yes, I believe there has been 'political interference'.

Trivial is entirely your subjective evaluation from the info you have seen, but we do not know that for a fact, and any rape or rape like situation is certainly seen from the victim and the legal system in Sweden as not trivial, which determines the way forward as pr. the law dictates.

Crimes at a certain level of severity has a law-bound legal procedural response, and no matter how silly or trivial it might seem to you by a casual glance, I assure you you will hear no laughter from the written law pages of procedural requirements.

If the Swedish system is anything like ours, and I suspect it is , political pressure is almost impossible Sab, I know it can be difficult to believe for foreigners from big nations but that is the case, There is a very effective and total separation from politics, Judges are wholly independent from the political system, they are not even appointed by politicians, but recommended by a panel of other Judges, lawyers and civilian members of the public, and the recommendations is based solely on education, experience and professional merit in court, then they are officially appointed by the Monarch, who always follow the recommendations - so far anyway.

And no one knows about appointments or even know their names unless you search out that info specifically yourself, even our supreme court Judges in my country are not celebrities known by most of the informed general public, it is a plain administrative thing with no drama, media or political theater involved, very much unlike the US supreme-court appointment fun and games

They are appointed for life and no politicians can sack them, in a case like Assanges, many Judges will eventually be involved from the one approving the arrest-warrant, to the case Judges, and they cant be the same, then new appeal Judges, no one will know in advance (like now) who eventually get appointed to do a case, that would be by recommendation by the officers of the court according to Judges calenders and fluid caseloads.

In a case the Judges in effect control/check each preceding Judges decisions and scrutinize the merits of it according to the law, and they just love to get one over on a college, no quarter is given, they are all in perpetual competition for the top "supreme" jobs, and after getting that it is professional pride and honor. In other words they keep each other in check.

There is no love lost between prosecutors and the Judges, they do not work together, and God help a prosecutor who is unprepared or with a sloppy case wasting valuable court time, I have been an observer and sometimes participant in this show many many times, and have seen many very red ears and much evidence discarded because the prosecution had been sloppy or wrong or made simple procedure mistakes.

At the same time the defendants lawyers are doing the same as the Judge, making damned sure that no stone is unturned and no procedural mistakes are made, and checking that no Judges or prosecutors might be ineligible because of prior involvement, or other multiple possible reasons. if a lawyer (very rare) do raise concerns, it is normal procedure in my Country that the Judge without any challenge just excuses himself and gives the case to a college, so no chance of problems or critique can be raised about their total impartiality.

It simply involves to many people for it to be even remotely possible that this Assange case can successfully be brought on by secret Political pressure on any level, it will be exposed if that is the case, and it is totally impossible that a result could be politically influenced, so why even try to clandestinely influence an extradition if the final result is impossible to control, it just do not seem logical or worth the effort and considerable risk.

As I said I will leave (very remotely) the Honeytrap possibility open as far as the two women are concerned, they could in theory be planted members of wikileaks by some intelligence service or foreign Country, but that is a very long shot, imagine the worldwide negative and diplomatic fallout if such a scheme was exposed, and the Swedes would be the ones to do it, Assange is just not that important a person, it is his organization that is dangerous and they have pulled almost all their teeth already, wikileaks is just a shadow of it's shortlived former self.

Julian Assange offered Aboriginal passport
September 15, 2012


Source: AFP

WIKILEAKS founder Julian Assange has been offered an Aboriginal Nations passport in a ceremony after he was “abandoned” by Australian authorities.

His father, John Shipton, accepted the document at a celebration in inner Sydney suburb of Darlington today.

He said his son had been jilted by the Australian government, and the passport ceremony - which follows Ecuador's decision to grant Mr Assange diplomatic asylum - was a show of solidarity.

“Australian governments of every colour are happy to abandon their citizens when they're in difficult situations overseas,” he said.

Mr Assange has been staying at Ecuador's embassy in London since June to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning over sexual assault allegations.

His lawyers fear extradition to Sweden could pave the way for him to be sent to the US, where he could face trial over his website's release of classified documents.

The group that organised today's ceremony, the Indigenous Social Justice Association, wants recognition of Aboriginal sovereignty.

Mr Shipton said his son had requested a change to the wording of the document but embraced the cause.

“Julian has always expressed the desire that the Aboriginal people of Australia be recognised as sovereign,” he said.

“It is a point of view that is becoming more accepted.”

Indigenous Social Justice Association president Ray Jackson said more than 200 people were present at what could become an annual event.

He said the Australian government had not given Mr Assange sufficient aid.

“Julian was treated badly by this government, who are quite happy to sit back and take orders from the US,” Mr Jackson said.

The passport will now be sent to Mr Assange in London.

Foreign Minister Bob Carr last month told the Labor caucus Australia had intervened on Mr Assange's behalf more than 60 times during his legal wrangle with Sweden.

theaustralian.com.au

Originally Posted by Mid

Mr Shipton said his son had requested a change to the wording of the document but embraced the cause.

WTF ???

Sounds like the whole Assange family are a bunch of shit disturbing, manipulative cnuts.

It would seem to me that this stunt of having an Aboriginal passport issued is just bullshit and should not be taken seriously. Having a passport issued to someone, where it would not be issued under any other circumstances, but for for the sole purpose of attempting to circumvent the laws of other countries does not seem to stand up to much scrutiny.

Sweden has an arrest warrant out for this cnut....he is avoiding the Swedish justice system and thumbing his nose at the British justice system on the pretext that they (Sweden) "might" ship him off to the USA to be waterboarded, tortured and no doubt ass raped....

If the US wanted him that badly, I'm pretty sure they would have found a way to show him American hospitality by now. They have managed to track down and take care of a lot more important targets than this minor league hacker.

The Amerians are probably quite happy to see the rest of the world fuck him around for a few years. They already have the little shit who released their confidential diplomatic cables to him locked up and as far as they are concered that's probably more important.

Just another anarchist shit disturber who crossed too many lines and now we have to put up with all this posturing, whinging.....and now a fucking Abbo passport no less....