Thread: Child Soldiers

If you want to help take a look at kiva

As soon as I've checked they haven't a head office in some expensive property in London, complete with marble bathrooms & gold taps - like Oxfam - or directors on eye-watering wages, I'll give them twenty quid.

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a $700 loan to buy a freezer for her cockfighting ring in the Peruvian jungle. The posting features a smiling woman cradling a doomed rooster in the coliseum she and her husband built behind their home. In three days, she had her loan

They can go fuck themselves.[/quote]

Link to this application ? if you are saying its on Kiva's site

Kiva link

They've set up a seperate arm for those who don't want to donate to cockfighting.

Like that makes it okay?

Kiva says the [cockfighting] submission was red-flagged by one of the volunteers who look over the postings, but they let it go through after its Peruvian lending partner assured them it was kosher

Source

Michelle Kreger, Kiva partnership manager for Latin America and the Caribbean, says that cockfighting is a "rich tradition" in Peru, and adds that the nonprofit does not judge businesses as long as they're not illegal

They put razors on them before they tear each other to pieces.

They can fucking starve for all I care.

Originally Posted by Bower

Our opinions of what Africa needs and dosen't need are indeed written here in the comfort of our safe homes. However we must not lose sight of the OP, weapons again being supplied to areas that actively use 'boy soldiers'.
You are correct when you say there are limited school places and jobs for the youth. That is what is so badly needed. To provided these is cheap,along with clean drinking water and seed. Most Africans i have met on their home ground just want to feed and educate their family.
When the West stop putting salve on their own guilt by gifting huge cheques of aid, many of which are cashed by corrupt African officials and polititians progress could be made.
I have seen clinics that cost $250,000 to build, then left without revenue funding in total decay. I went once to a school, right out in the bush, Christian Aid had given them $60,000 of computers, sounds good. Only 2 teachers could actually write in English good enough to use them but there was another problem....no electricity !
I know i prattle on but the waste of resources is criminal, i wish i was a younger man, i know i, and many others could achieve so much more with 25% of the funds that have been squanderd.
African 'people' with food and some dignity have no desire to fight or leave Africa.

The problem or issue in Africa is there are too many people and not enough resources. The different ethnic groups are competing against each other for limited resources. The countries don't have the resources to support their large and growing populations. That is why there is fighting and the forest are being knocked down, and animals killed off. The West has nothing to do with it, neither do modern weapons. In Nigeria entire villages are often wiped out with rudimentary weapons like machetes, spears, bow and arrows, etc. The only people who can solver the problems facing Africa are Africans, or mother nature will eventually do its thing. There are always going to be poor people, prositutes, child soldiers, etc; because people and groups are going to do what is best for them and their group, they are just doing what is natural. The animals do the same, if there is a shortage of prey in an area, predators will kill other preadators or run them off if given the chance. Child soldiers are a symptom of a larger problem, and it doesn't deserve the attention it gets.

Originally Posted by Mid

do you have children gribbs ? know anyone who does ? would you like those children to be subject to the atrocities of warfare ?

Let's say that if I had children in a war environment and was unable to protect them, I'd prefer them to be armed soldiers rather than unarmed victims.
Anyway Mid , talk is cheap : if we really want to help those children, we have to put on our uniforms, pick up our rifles and fight the wars in their place until peace is re-estabilished , are you sure you are willing to do that or wouldn't you prefer the comfort of your airconditioned computer room ?

Originally Posted by wefearourdespot

Originally Posted by Mid

do you have children gribbs ? know anyone who does ? would you like those children to be subject to the atrocities of warfare ?

Let's say that if I had children in a war environment and was unable to protect them, I'd prefer them to be armed soldiers rather than unarmed victims.
Anyway Mid , talk is cheap : if we really want to help those children, we have to put on our uniforms, pick up our rifles and fight the wars in their place until peace is re-estabilished , are you sure you are willing to do that or wouldn't you prefer the comfort of your airconditioned computer room ?

Some of us are too old to be fighting again, so maybe thats a little unfair ?
These problems are not wars over moralistic principals. Most of them are just lead by gangsters, and so i ask if you were the victim of localised protection rackets and felt helpless and unable to protect your children, what would you do ? arm your children ? move to a safer environment ? rally other family elders to fight back knowing many of you will certainly die ? Look to your knowingly corrupt leaders for help ? The dilema of these people is enormous,I thank my fathers i never had to be pressed by these kind of dilemmas.

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Originally Posted by wefearourdespot

Let's say that if I had children in a war environment and was unable to protect them, I'd prefer them to be armed soldiers rather than unarmed victims

Already been covered.

Originally Posted by Bower

Christian Aid had given them $60,000 of computers, sounds good

it was surely good for the NGO scum who made a nice cut over it

Originally Posted by wefearourdespot

Originally Posted by Bower

Christian Aid had given them $60,000 of computers, sounds good

it was surely good for the NGO scum who made a nice cut over it

Unfortunately, you are almost certainly right !

In a memorandum to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday, 25 October President Obama said he had determined that the waiver was in “the national interest.” The White House memo also makes the justification that the U.S. is fighting a terrorist war in the region.


Isnt that what the U.S government always says to justify bending the laws to suit themselves nowadays, "national interest" and "terrorism"? Used to be Communism. Always need a scapegoat to justify their immoral dealings while holding themselves up to be the gold standard everyone else should aspire to be like. Hypocrites.

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

I have a little boy myself, whatever that's got to do with it.

simply imagine him as one of the children pictured in the OP and get back to me with your pro arguments .

who offered the choice ?

Originally Posted by Mid

who offered the choice ?

Sorry, Mid, I'm not quite with you.

Choice of what?

your quote reply contains the qualifier IF

my scenario offers no such choice

your child as a child soldier

still pro ?

Originally Posted by Mid

still pro?

I never said I was pro in the first place, I said ask them what they would prefer. Obviously a kid with shooter isn't a good thing, but if they're reasonably happy (not the one girl that's been quoted, but the majority of the lads) who are we to interfere?

your child as a child soldier

My son as an adult soldier wouldn't get my approval, let alone as a kid.

your quote reply contains the qualifier IF

Not in the context of choice though.

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

My son as an adult soldier wouldn't get my approval, let alone as a kid.

and yet your willing to argue that it is OK for other children

nice one .

Originally Posted by Mid

your willing to argue that it is OK for other children

I'm willing to argue it's better than starving to death or becoming the victim of a deathsquad.

That would also apply to my own kid.

and the beat goes on. what has been learned nothing !!!!!! Hypocrisy at its worst. I have seen Ethiopian and Sudanese kids in my home town in Adelaide and they are scarred emotionally for life.

Originally Posted by Aussie Tigger

what has been learned nothing !!!!!!

worse than that , I've learned that there are those who are willing to argue the so called pro's of the practice

Originally Posted by Mid

the so called pro's

The pro is not being killed for refusing to join up. It's shit, but it outweighs the 'con' of being dead.

They don't have any choice in the matter, you said.

Put the goalposts back.

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have a red twat

amazing what people 'think' .
we seem to be scraping the barrels on a few fronts these days.
foked if i can understand someone like Gribbs.
we should all be outraged and demand that politicans DO something.
but of course they won't.
who sells the weapons to these people
always easy to kill from a distance
even cowardly.
the pros and cons of living in a pile of pig-shit !!!!?