Thread: Hundreds of villagers attack expat's home in Indonesia

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Yes. not very hard is it but Willy just cant help turning it into some major melodrama.

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Interesting that you're such a retard that you cannot understand it is all about tolerance from us but never from these cockroaches.

Yes...tolerance from "us". A long history of this, indeed. Tolerance.

Not a melodrama terry, I was agreeing with you, to a degree.

1. I suspect we are not getting the whole story.

2. He probably should know better and keep his mouth shut

3. Upset feelings do not excuse the villagers smashing his house.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

3. Upset feelings do not excuse the villagers smashing his house.

Yes we all realize that its not the right thing to do but if you live amongst a bunch of religious nutters you know that this will happen if you fok with them or there religion.

It's common sense Willy, no use trying to make a story out of it.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I think I'll pop to new york, burn that crappy star and stripes, shout all yanks are bastards and wait to see what sort of yanks they are.
I suspect I'll find out what a baseball bat tastes like.

You raise a good point. In NYC everyone would probably ignore you, maybe they'd shout some insults as they were rushing by.

But do it at one of the Tea parties out in the middle of nowhere and see how civilized the average Amerikans really are. I bet you'd find out quickly.

I'd like to hear the German's side of the story though, I am sure there is a bit more to it.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Agreed. If you choose to live amongst a bunch of brainwashed retards, you should learn to keep your mouth shut.

You mean we should all shut up here in Thailand then?

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Police allege the American expatriate barged into the prayer session with his shoes on and unplugged a microphone.

An understandable but nonetheless, not very bright thing to do.

Not very bright. Looks like provo. I have never had any problem in Indonesia with religion or lack of. (did have a spot of prob with motocy driver in jakarta thou)

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I think I'll pop to new york, burn that crappy star and stripes, shout all yanks are bastards and wait to see what sort of yanks they are.
I suspect I'll find out what a baseball bat tastes like.

This bloke was clearly a daft bastard.

Well he doesn't sound like the most diplomatic expat I've heard of but your comparison is a little absurd, the guy made complant about his property being vandalised, he didn't burn a flag or do anything that could be conceived as blaphemous.

Exactly, one of the problems that I see in indo is that the poor have a very strong sense of entitlement, mob rules often take matters in their own hands, motorcycles drive manicly and expect cars they hit to pay, religious groups try to shut down opposing churches etc.

I'd take what I hear from an Indonesian with a grain salt, these people are known for being liars. My shitbag government has been settling a bunch of these bastards in my city lately, they all lie about how bad they got it in Indonesia, and claim asylum. It makes my blood boil to know much these lying bastards get away with. They come here and want everyone to appease them, but they want their country to remain pure and monolithic, and if anyone gets out of line they treat them like the German guy in this article.

I am convinced that it is merely a matter of time until Muslims force the sane residents of civilized countries to nuke them off the face of the earth. Not since Japan in the forties has a group of people so deserved mass destruction.

Originally Posted by Jools

I am convinced that it is merely a matter of time until Muslims force the sane residents of civilized countries to nuke them off the face of the earth. Not since Japan in the forties has a group of people so deserved mass destruction.

Thats a bunch of malarkey, the Muslims can't even feed and employ their own, to claim they are going to takeover the world in the near future is stupid.

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Any place inhabited by muslims, even a paradisiac island become soon a nightmare.

Not according to the several expats I know living in Indon & Malaysia.

Bottom line is, if you come and live in another culture, have the common sense to 'fit in'. Barging in and yelling at a Village Headman is dumb, in any Asian village society. Barging in and unplugging a mike or amplifier during a Muzzie session is real dumb. Not excusing the villagers reaction, but in both cases these blokes- living there of their own volition- were stoopid, they should have known better.

Originally Posted by keda

Six years for blasphemy is pretty tame, so he should think himself lucky.

Was going to a mosque with shoes and unplugging a microphone actually blasphemy, or just breaking local customs? Not sure about the former, but I'm absolutely certain Qur'an says nothing at all about microphones.

Originally Posted by Jools

sane residents of civilized countries

Originally Posted by Jools

nuke them off the face of the earth.

Sane residents of civilised countries realise that nuking 1.6 billion people off the face of the earth is not an option.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Not a melodrama terry, I was agreeing with you, to a degree.

1. I suspect we are not getting the whole story.

2. He probably should know better and keep his mouth shut

3. Upset feelings do not excuse the villagers smashing his house.

1. Could be
2. Sure
3. It does excuse them smashing his home, and he should also consider himself lucky to be taken by the police before the villagers got their hands on him.

Originally Posted by keda

Fact is, the guy has no standing in a Sharia court so if it reaches court the word of a Muslim is enough to pronounce him guilty even if he could prove his innocence with documents and video and a dozen non-Muslim witnesses.

Lombok does not have Sharia law.

Originally Posted by keda

As an Islamic nation Indo is governed by Sharia,

Indo is NOT an Islamic nation.

Originally Posted by keda

May be wrong

Yep, you are.

Originally Posted by Sdigit

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I think I'll pop to new york, burn that crappy star and stripes, shout all yanks are bastards and wait to see what sort of yanks they are.
I suspect I'll find out what a baseball bat tastes like.

This bloke was clearly a daft bastard.

Well he doesn't sound like the most diplomatic expat I've heard of but your comparison is a little absurd, the guy made complant about his property being vandalised, he didn't burn a flag or do anything that could be conceived as blaphemous.

Sounds like, but could be deemed offensive if he accused someone of the vandalism, and as we know once a mob gets going anything can happen. For example, if someone decides to say he blasphemed, no question about it he has a serious problem.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Exactly, one of the problems that I see in indo is that the poor have a very strong sense of entitlement, mob rules often take matters in their own hands, motorcycles drive manicly and expect cars they hit to pay, religious groups try to shut down opposing churches etc.

Fair, except in a Muslim-majority nation there's only one (singular) religious group that closes down churches and houses or worship belonging to other religions. In this respect Indo is no different to Egypt or Pakistan.

Originally Posted by crocodilexp

Originally Posted by keda

Six years for blasphemy is pretty tame, so he should think himself lucky.

Was going to a mosque with shoes and unplugging a microphone actually blasphemy, or just breaking local customs? Not sure about the former, but I'm absolutely certain Qur'an says nothing at all about microphones.

Very well done and you are right that the Koran says nothing about microphones. If you ever need more ammo, the Koran also says nothing about Harry Potter, Coca Cola, the Dalai Lama, Pokemon, Disney's Aladdin, Mozart, chess, or Nike.

But the Koran has quite a bit to say about offence to Allah.

See if you can reconcile the two.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by keda

Fact is, the guy has no standing in a Sharia court so if it reaches court the word of a Muslim is enough to pronounce him guilty even if he could prove his innocence with documents and video and a dozen non-Muslim witnesses.

Lombok does not have Sharia law.

Originally Posted by keda

As an Islamic nation Indo is governed by Sharia,

Indo is NOT an Islamic nation.

Originally Posted by keda

May be wrong

Yep, you are.

More than 50 regencies in 16 of Indo's provinces have passed laws influenced by sharia. Sharia advocates claim its divine origin and resist constitutional challenges based on grounds that Sharia is authorised directly by God; this makes political opposition to Sharia either apostasy or blasphemy. This is also the slide to conservative Islam that will turn Indo into another failed Muslim-majority state. The momentum is there, and time works quietly in favour of 'pure' Islam.

Otoh if it is true as you say that Lombok is entirely secular and the German ends up in a secular court then his chances are better, unless of course the main charge is upped to blasphemy, which would be trivial in a secular court if indeed it has jurisdiction...but it would be taken a wee bit more seriously in a Sharia court with full jurisdiction.


With something like a 90% Muslim majority Indo is...not only Southeast Asia's most populous country, but is also home to the world's largest Muslim population. And that population looks to be growing increasingly devout. Significantly more women wear the headscarf today than a decade ago, and the number of Indonesians making the pilgrimage to Mecca grows year after year. Alcoholic beverages are disappearing from the shelves of supermarkets, and in some places those who violate the Islamic ban on alcohol already face public whipping -- a brutal spectacle that is even broadcast on local television stations.

Sliding Towards Conservative Islam: Indonesia's Secular State under Siege - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Simple rule: Always observe and respect the law. Only a dumbarse would make such moves in a Muslim country.

Originally Posted by Fondles

dumb ass fucking rag heads.

Typical Kraut...certainly not know for their tact and diplomacy!