Thread: A universe could exist 'inside every black hole,' claims scientist

Originally Posted by hazz

The evolution of a theory:

1. You have an outrageous idea
2. Its then checked to see if it explains what we already know, if it does
3. Its used to predict something we don't know, but can measure, if its found
4. The inconsistencies between prediction and measurement are used to refine the theory or propose a new step 1.

And so we go around for ever, getting the science grants and a better understanding of how everything works. You don't think the microwave oven invented its self do you.

Pie in the sky theory is what drives experimental science. This is why we are looking for the higg's boson, gravity waves, inconsistencies in the cosmic microwave background etc because these measurements will tell us which theories are plain bollocks and which ones are the dogs bollocks.

As far as I am aware, the 'our religious book is 100% correct and contains all you should know' brigade have never made these step three predictions which would give their ideas some credibility. But then they demand blind faith; whilst scientists would simply like you to hear them out.

Carbon dating has limitations and assumptions. to date all erroneous carbon dating have been caused by the sample being outside the limitations or the assumptions being broken. I.E carbon dating only works for organism that get their carbon directly or indirectly from atmospheric carbon dioxide.

Exactamundo.

That is why I mentioned the Higgs Boson before. When first conceived it was just another pie in the sky thought that could not be proven at the time.

Now though we are actively looking for it and even if we never find it then we should still find other cool stuff that we had never even imagined. The probability of finding further dimensions is profound stuff and stuff that could change our whole understanding of the universe.

For years we have thought that Einstein had it nailed with the theory of relativity but as we have gone on we have found that he had it wrong. Close, but wrong. But without that theory, a flawed as it may be, we would never have developed high speed jets and put man into space, for example.

For those who discredit the value of such stuff just look around you, in all but the most rustic/natural of environments there will be SOMETHING that is there because years ago some whacky scientist had some nutty idea about something.

Originally Posted by Moonraker

For years we have thought that Einstein had it nailed with the theory of relativity but as we have gone on we have found that he had it wrong. Close, but wrong.

To my knowledge Einsteins theory is holding up today. Nothing in it has proven wrong so far. It is incomplete.

Einstein himself knew that and failed to find that elusive unified theory. Today science is still trying to find that theory.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Einstein himself knew that and failed to find that elusive unified theory. Today science is still trying to find that theory.

If such a one exists.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by Moonraker

For years we have thought that Einstein had it nailed with the theory of relativity but as we have gone on we have found that he had it wrong. Close, but wrong.

To my knowledge Einsteins theory is holding up today. Nothing in it has proven wrong so far. It is incomplete.

Einstein himself knew that and failed to find that elusive unified theory. Today science is still trying to find that theory.

Have a look on youtube for Prof. Brian Cox. He's the chappy on TV who works for the LHC, a particle physicist.

Einstein's theory is not holding up because because solutions to some calculations are out, only very slightly out, but out is still wrong.

Originally Posted by Moonraker

Have a look on youtube for Prof. Brian Cox. He's the chappy on TV who works for the LHC, a particle physicist. Einstein's theory is not holding up because because solutions to some calculations are out, only very slightly out, but out is still wrong.

Will look for it. So far, even as recently as this year what I heard is it was still holding up.

Is it about Dark Energy? That would not be included in Einsteins Theory.

I think the next 10-20 years will be interesting. The cosmos is being measured with increasing presision and the LHC (current status) are going to allow experiment ot catch up with a lot of these theories.

You can temporally read about a contender what whats two rewrite Einstein Rethinking Einstein: The end of space-time

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by Moonraker

Have a look on youtube for Prof. Brian Cox. He's the chappy on TV who works for the LHC, a particle physicist. Einstein's theory is not holding up because because solutions to some calculations are out, only very slightly out, but out is still wrong.

Will look for it. So far, even as recently as this year what I heard is it was still holding up.

Is it about Dark Energy? That would not be included in Einsteins Theory.

More to do with gravity.

I can't remember it exactly but he explains it by using the distance from Earth to the Moon. If Einstein's theory was correct then his calculations would be spot on, but some laser device on earth and a mirror placed on the moon show that they are out.

It works fine as a general theory for us on Earth but when you talk about the very large (universe) or very small (sub-atomic) then it doesn't hold up.

Think of a point on a compass which is 0.0001 (or whatever) degree out. Over a distance of say 1M the difference will be negligible but over vast or tiny distances the difference makes it obsolete.

Originally Posted by Moonraker

If Einstein's theory was correct then his calculations would be spot on, but some laser device on earth and a mirror placed on the moon show that they are out.

I will check it out for sure. But honestly I would be surprised if there is anything to it.

Those laser experiments have gone on since the reflectors were placed by the NASA Apollo missions and the Soviet Lunochod 1 and 2.

The distance between moon and earth have been constantly measured until now with ever increasing precision as the experiments were refined over time. One of the aims of the measurements was to verify Einsteins theories. If they would have shown any deviation it would have caused an uproar in the scientific community that only some of the natives of the Kalahari desert could possibly have missed.

I'm a dickhead. He was talking about Newton, not Einstein.



Still well worth a look though if you have never seen him before. He did a whole series on gravity, light, electromagnetism etc. Interesting stuff.

Thanks for the link.

Originally Posted by Moonraker

I'm a dickhead.

Disagree.