Thread: Cop punches Jaywalker

Pepper spray! A kung Fu kick to the head, followed by a Hulk Hogan style leg drop...

If she didn't resist arrest it wouldn't of happened.

A green for the cop!

He shouldn't have punched her. They are trained in restraint techniques and I don't believe punching teenage girls in the face is one of them. Not so difficult to understand.

I will take it a step further, This whole incident was stagged by the NCCAA. The current acting Police chief is Latino, however the outside candidate is black. The mayor is currently deciding to chose between the two, This is a smear campaign.

Yeah, get a dig in at the latinos as well!

Man, you really have some race issues, don't you?

Originally Posted by Muadib

Originally Posted by madjbs

Police don't normally punch people in the face like that. It's a complete misuse of force and the cop should be severely disciplined over it, even if he was right to arrest the girl for interfering in the first place.

You're joking, right??? If you or I were to resist arrest, just what type of treatment do you think we would receive??? Kid-gloves and warm blanky???

here's a tip maudib....if you actually took the time to read what madjbs posted, you wouldn't be coming across as so hysterical.

cops don't normally punch people in the face. they are trained to use other restraint techniques.

no one posted anything about 'kid gloves and warm blanky'...except you.

btw, what's up with the three question marks? or hold on...what's up with the three question marks???

Originally Posted by bsnub

I live in Seattle .

Nice there , it looks like.

With all those niggers about.

Ah, my little stalker has piped into the convo... Hi Ray, Muaaahhhh...

You have obviously never pissed off a policeman in the US...

Originally Posted by Muadib

Hi Ray, Muaaahhhh...

You have obviously never pissed off a policeman in the US...

Ray would have gotten his ass beat by that Nigga girl , I would pay to see that.

Seattle police guild defends officer's teen punch - Yahoo! News
Seattle police guild defends officer's teen punch

SEATTLE – The president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild says an officer was justified in punching a young woman who shoved him in a dispute over jaywalking.
Rich O'Neil told KCPQ-TV that punching her in the face was an appropriate use of force as the officer struggled with two women and a crowd formed. O'Neil says it's wrong to call the punch police brutality or racist.
Cell phone video shows Officer Ian P. Walsh trying to control two women Monday and punching a 17-year-old in the face.
Acting deputy police chief Nick Metz has said the women bear much of the responsibility for resisting arrest.
Seattle Urban League CEO James Kelly says the punch was an overreaction that brought to mind a video taken April 17 of two Seattle officers kicking a Hispanic suspect.
Police are conducting an internal investigation.

I have no problem with what the cop did, she was resisting, he was arresting, end of!
In the UK the Police are hamstrung by laws preventing them from harming suspects while pursuing an arrest. Freaking Crazy UK politically correct laws.

Originally Posted by chitown

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SEATTLE – The president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild says an officer was justified in punching a young woman who shoved him in a dispute over jaywalking.
Rich O'Neil told KCPQ-TV that punching her in the face was an appropriate use of force .

As usual you haven't kept up with the news, he has since retracted his statement condoning the officer's actions.

Forgot his Taser?

^^^ In the UK officers need to comply with Section 3 of the Criminal Law Act 1967 relating to 'reasonable force' in order to effect an arrest.

I saw nothng to condemn the officer, indeed he used considerable restraint in order to handcuff the female offender who was clearly resisting. The other larger girl who was attempting to prevent the officer in performing his duty was swiftly subdued by the officer. She was commiting an offence by physically assaulting the officer. He defended himself quite correctly and if in the UK i don't believe his actions would warrant investigation.

What i do find a wee bit strange is that some posters have felt a need to mention that the offenders were black and that the officer was white. It s quite irrelevent what colour the perpetrators of crime are. It certainly wasn't mentioned in the headline and when one begins to bring the colour or race into the equation in a situation such as this they are providing evidence that they themselves are prejudiced.

Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

Originally Posted by chitown

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SEATTLE – The president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild says an officer was justified in punching a young woman who shoved him in a dispute over jaywalking.
Rich O'Neil told KCPQ-TV that punching her in the face was an appropriate use of force .

As usual you haven't kept up with the news, he has since retracted his statement condoning the officer's actions.

When you make a statement like this links please.

Originally Posted by Sdigit

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

^^^ In the UK officers need to comply with Section 3 of the Criminal Law Act 1967 relating to 'reasonable force' in order to effect an arrest.

I have been wondering about the year of this law that you've quoted, 1967.
It was not always the case that the British police would arrest a person as gently as they do now, indeed 30 years ago the police could be firm bordering on brutal in some instances when arresting a person.

So what has changed if not the law, has it been amended or are there now more recent laws that they must adhere to?

You're pretty much spot on Sdigit.

Before The Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) was introduced in 1984 i would agree that alleged perpetators of cime were treated more harsher than they are today. Interviews now need to be recorded, videoed and in my view this has lead to a more professional attitude from officers. Prior to PACE, officers would often force a confession from suspects. Judges Rules legislation being too open to interpretation. Corruption within forces was almost out of control. I believe Sir Robert Marks, Metropolitan Police Commisioner in the 70's, was instumental in rooting out those officers who were less than honest and with PACE came a new breed of officer.

Under PACE, a custody officer is appointed to look after the welfare and process of prisoners at Police stations. Prisoners are entitled to food/drink at certain intervals and are checked regularly whilst in their cells, all of which is recorded. The custody officer also need to be aware of how and why the arrest was effected. e.g. if a prisioner is brought to the station with marks on his face/hands etc:, how did he/she suffer them? The custody officer may decline to accept the prisoner if he feels that excessive force was used or that the arrest may not have been carried out to the letter of the law.

To be fair Section 3 of the CLA of 1967 has stood the test of time and applies to any person. Not only in effecting an arrest but also where someones life is at risk so it covers quite an area. It doesn't define what reasonable force is and should not be confused with 'minimum force'. e.g. if someone was attacking you or another with a knife and you believed that yours or anothers life was in immediate danger or you or that person may suffer a serious injury and the only way of stopping that person was to use a lethal weapon then the force used may be deemed as reasonable. If the attacker was not in an immediate position to cause serious harm/death than the use of a firearm or other lethal weapon may be deemed unreasonable.

The US officer in the video found himself in a difficult position with the 2 females, he needed to get things under control quickly or he may have been subjected to violence himself. He achieved his goal and although the larger lady may have suffered a bloody mouth as a result, she was in the process of assaulting the officer and thus committing a crime of violence herself. He was entitled to defend himself. Was it reasonable or excesssive? One would need to refer to US legislation and in most cases these things are decided in court or at a disciplinary hearing, that is if one has a complainant of course.

Originally Posted by bsnub

In other parts of the world the two of them would have been shot dead. Race would not have mattered.

You're an idiot. Are you talking about the civilised world or comparing the US to Uganda or Sudan?

Originally Posted by bsnub

This whole incident was stagged by the NCCAA.

Ah, yes . . . it's all a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by gingsa

the loud mouth bitch needed a good slap side the head to shut her up.

To shut her up? Is that what you do to your children?

Originally Posted by Panda

The cop was justified in using an increased level of force when the second woman escalated the situation by using physical force to prevent a lawful arrest

I'd have to agree with Panda here.

Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

I'll hazard a good guess and say you are some over-paid racist white middle class American

bsnub is an alcoholic foul-mouth

Originally Posted by FailSafe

how much restraint this particular police officer showed in a situation where he was alone and in front of a hostile crowd battling to get control over a perpetrator (once it became physical the original issue that set off the confrontation in the first place no longer mattered)-

That's the issue. Restraint. It isn't pretty seeing a grown man punch a girl, irrespective of race. I'd not like to be in the cop's shoes, surrounded by a crowd, screaming females grabbing him . . . what if someone had a knife in that situation?

I abhor police violence, and the punch was over the top, but he definitely had to do something to get the situation under control . . .

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by FailSafe

how much restraint this particular police officer showed in a situation where he was alone and in front of a hostile crowd battling to get control over a perpetrator (once it became physical the original issue that set off the confrontation in the first place no longer mattered)-

That's the issue. Restraint. It isn't pretty seeing a grown man punch a girl, irrespective of race. I'd not like to be in the cop's shoes, surrounded by a crowd, screaming females grabbing him . . . what if someone had a knife in that situation?

I abhor police violence, and the punch was over the top, but he definitely had to do something to get the situation under control . . .

I see your point...

It's not a 'grown man' punching a 'girl'- it's a police officer giving a lawful order to comply and being met with resistance and possible injury from a hostile crowd- it can't be whittled down to anything less than that- he didn't have a taser, but if he did that situation would have ended pretty damned fast- he needed to do something, and his basic self-defense skills were not the greatest- a punch was the best option he had.

A policeman can't back off or show weakness in front of a crowd when he's lawfully perfoming his duty- that guy (or at least his fellow officers) will be working on that same street tomorrow, and they can't be run off by an angry mob.

Originally Posted by FailSafe

It's not a 'grown man' punching a 'girl'- it's a police officer giving a lawful order to comply and being met with resistance and possible injury from a hostile crowd-

I agree, but it does boil down to: Big Man punching 'small' woman. Added to which the big man was wearing a uniform. Again, he had to do something.

Originally Posted by FailSafe

he didn't have a taser, but if he did that situation would have ended pretty damned fast-

Possibly not, it may have inflamed the situation and be seen as using excesive force by the bystanders and may have been occasion for some guys to get involved

Originally Posted by FailSafe

A policeman can't back off or show weakness in front of a crowd when he's lawfully perfoming his duty

Well, prudence is the best way to go about it, really. Showing force for the sake of it is seldom a good solution.

I hope the cop doesn't get into trouble, however . . . geez, I'd hate to be in his shoes in that situation

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by FailSafe

It's not a 'grown man' punching a 'girl'- it's a police officer giving a lawful order to comply and being met with resistance and possible injury from a hostile crowd-

I agree, but it does boil down to: Big Man punching 'small' woman. Added to which the big man was wearing a uniform. Again, he had to do something.

Small? I hope you are joking, she was his height and weight.

Now if you are talking about him being big as a police officer....then she should have stood back, instead of assaulting hm.

part 2....the women who was punched wasn't the original woman being arrested, she was the one interferring

Originally Posted by sccrhound

Small? I hope you are joking, she was his height and weight.

Heavier! Those thighs could feed Bangladesh for a week

Originally Posted by sccrhound

Now if you are talking about him being big as a police officer....then she should have stood back, instead of assaulting hm.

Originally Posted by Norton

Ignore the skin colors of the cop and the woman and what I see is a lone cop facing a woman violently resisting arrest. Woman persists as cop tries to restrain her and cop eventually punches her.

NO disagreement with either of your posts. He was in a shitty situation, no-win for him