Thread: Australia shows the way in International Relations. Again, leading the world

Originally Posted by ENT

da slopes

Originally Posted by ENT

chinks

Some more of that renowned Australian class.

Has Japan ever said the S word for their actions?

Have they ever made reparation to any affected nation?

Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong

Has Japan ever said the S word for their actions?

Can't read this thread?

Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong

Have they ever made reparation to any affected nation?

Can't research that they have?


Are you and Zygote related?


Oh, thanks for the red Zygote, telling me I haven't shown the source for the quotes and you therefore question them . . . actually I wrote it all up myself in a few hours just to piss you off . . .

Oh, cut and paste and google . . . you will find the source, but you can also check Wiki under 'Japan apologises for war atrocities'

Easy enough? For you . . . maybe not.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Quote: Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong Has Japan ever said the S word for their actions? Can't read this thread? Quote: Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong Have they ever made reparation to any affected nation? Can't research that they have? Are you and Zygote related?

Question 1.
Yes I can. There were some big words in your cut and paste items but I have a dictionary and I coped ok. Still, I couldn't see the word "sorry" anywhere, or in any other historical records.

Question 2.
Yes I can research but I can't find any indication that Japan made reparations by their own free will. I do know that they were stripped of assets by the Americans but it is unclear how the proceeds were distributed to those affected by the Japanese. I do know that Japan has made treaties with some Asian countries that were affected but I don't know the full effect of those treaties and whether they included reparations. I know that they have never said sorry for the Australian POW's used unmercifully as slave labour or made any reparation to them.
Perhaps you can enlighten me further?

Question 3.
No, I am not related in any manner to Zygote.

FFS how in any way imaginable is that related to fookin whaling ?

It seems Rudd is doing a good job. Is that why the Aussie press are going for him? Not used to an Aussie being proficient?

The Japs are desperate for raw materials, so he's got them over a barrel with the Whale issue ans the Chinks need to be put down a peg or ten. Australia has a lot of clout in the region due to their vast natural resources and that they're the only major civilised country in the region now.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

It seems Rudd is doing a good job.

Seems like you dont know anything about Australian politics.

Rudd facing his Waterloo

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd facing his Waterloo | Herald Sun

KEVIN Rudd is finished. Few voters now want to hear him, and fewer still believe him.

They see through Rudd now and he can never recover. It's over.

Labor itself admitted this hard truth on Monday, after the Nielsen survey showed the Rudd Government heading for a landslide defeat, with just 47 per cent support to the Coalition's 53.

Click here to have your say at Andrew's blog

Rudd himself and half a dozen of his ministers all responded to this news with an identical and workshopped line - suggesting that however bad you thought Rudd, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott surely had to be worse.

Or as the Prime Minister put it: "If what we see in the polls today is reflected on election day, Mr Abbott would be the next Prime Minister of Australia ... I don't believe Australian families are prepared to risk their future with Tony Abbott."



This now is Labor's central election pitch, a last-ditch attempt to tear down Abbott with anything they can think of.

He's Catholic. He's "phony Tony". He's the "mad monk". He wears lycra. He hates women. He'll take away your penalty rates.

That, I'm afraid, is all Labor has got left. It cannot sell Rudd, and must hope instead to destroy Abbott, which leaves the election to be decided essentially on how well Abbott can survive the battering.

Will he rise serenely above it, as then Labor leader Mark Latham managed to do - until finally blowing up only just before election day in 2004?

Will he calmly turn each attack back on to a panicky Government, as Rudd himself did with such success in 2007, deflecting criticism over his Scores nightclub escapes, or his ties to the disgraced lobbyist Brian Burke?

Abbott's character will be the issue, and the last remaining question for him to answer to become prime minister.

The election is now for him to lose by over-reaching, stumbling, lashing out, thinking out aloud, or once more publicly indulging his private self-doubts, whether by confessing too much or asserting too little.

If he dared (and he should), his next move would be to make a show of transition to government, by, for instance, commissioning a report from a "triage committee" of management experts and former public service bosses to go through each of Rudd's programs to see which are too hopeless to save and which might yet be made to work.

But Rudd is finished, and if you think this too big a call, consider how he's lost all ability to sell himself or his policies.

Just seven weeks ago he finally persuaded the states to sign up to what he sold as "the biggest health reform since Medicare" - a centrepiece of his case for re-election.

He spent billions of your dollars bribing the premiers to sign up. He's since spent millions more on

Government commercials to persuade you of his triumph.

Yet how many of you can recall what this "health reform" actually is?

What's more, like so many other Rudd schemes it's a dodgy recipe that's half-baked besides. Western Australia still hasn't agreed to the deal, which experts warn is little better

than an underfinanced game of pass-the-buck, anyway.

Even the Government lost faith in the thing, and within days this "biggest health reform since Medicare" became yesterday's forgotten news, mere dust in Rudd's hands.

Indeed, everything Rudd touches seems to turn to muck. Expensive muck, too, with the Building the Education Revolution rorts, ceiling insulation disaster and boat people bungling alone wasting an estimated $8 billion.

Now Rudd is in a death struggle with miners over his "super profits" tax to raise the $9 billion a year he needs to wipe out the deficit he recklessly contracted to "save" us from a recession that didn't hit us as hard as he predicted and didn't stay as long as he predicted, either.

And once again, he cannot sell his "reform", not even with the $38 million of your money he pinched for yet more advertising. The more he talks about his new tax, the less people believe in it.

Rudd's complete lack of authority now is astonishing.

NEWSPOLL says it's never seen a prime minister lose so much credibility so fast, and merely mentioning his name on the last two episodes of the ABC's Q&A panel show had been enough to prompt howls of mocking laughter from an audience normally far to the Left.



Naturally, much of this is blamed on Rudd's Waterloo - his ditching of the emissions trading scheme he'd rashly sold as the urgent answer to global warming, "the great moral and economic issue of our times".

But doubts about Rudd now go not just to his character and honesty, but to his most basic competence in simply running a government.



It cannot be mere coincidence that so many of Rudd's schemes have ended in failure or disappointment - FuelWatch, Grocery Watch, his Asia forum, emissions trading, free insulation, free solar hot water systems, green loans, more Aboriginal housing, the farcical Ideas Summit, a stop to whaling, a halving of homelessness, tackling boat people, and so much else.

It cannot be mere coincidence that Rudd has failed even in diplomacy,

his one area of expertise, with relations with key allies such as Japan, India, Singapore, Israel and Indonesia all cooler.

Unbelievably, this Mandarin-speaking Sinophile who once claimed he could be China's "intermediary" with the West even faces the fallout now of having called its already bemused leaders "f-----s" who were trying to "rat-f---" us.

In fact, so incompetent is Rudd's Government that it couldn't even be trusted to commission mugs to celebrate the visit of US President Barack Obama. Not only is the visit cancelled, but the official mugs commemorate a "Barrack".

I repeat, this near-perfect record of bungling cannot be a coincidence.

And, indeed, the common thread to it is Rudd's fear - his fear of delegating, his fear of taking advice from smarter people, his fear of conceding flaws, his fear of letting his ministers have free rein, his fear of acknowledging any agendas other than his own, his fear of hiring advisers of adult age, his fear of not seeming across every irrelevant detail, his fear of not seeming great.

It's Rudd's deep insecurity that has killed his leadership, and which explains his often childish need to assert himself, whether by putting his boots on your coffee table, explaining he's "your Prime Minister" or hogging the microphone at his endless "community Cabinet meetings", at which busy ministers serve as props to his vanity.

THIS insecurity explains, too, his outbursts of anger, which Fairfax writer David Marr, in a widely discussed essay this week, wrongly claimed was the "core emotion" driving him.

No, insecurity is Rudd's core emotion. Anger is just what you get when such an insecure man is threatened, thwarted or belittled.

Still, Marr's essay will confirm for many that the exterior Rudd - meticulous, churchy, cool - is a sham, and there's little real about a pious Prime Minister who is privately foul-mouthed, rude, inconsiderate and disliked by many who work with him.

So it's over. There's nothing Rudd can promise that voters haven't heard before from him, and bigger, only to see fail.

There is no new guise he can assume that won't be judged as fake as the last.

And constructing a genuine Rudd is - I'd guess - tragically impossible, at least this side of an election.



A brave party would ditch Rudd now, while it still can. Remember the price the Liberals paid for failing to blast out the spent John Howard?

But while Rudd is still there, Labor is forced to turn to its last, bitter hope - not selling Rudd but destroying Abbott.

The question voters will be asked is: won't Abbott be worse?

Labor's problem is: is worse even possible?

Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong

Still, I couldn't see the word "sorry" anywhere, or in any other historical records.

You do realise that they speak Japanese, not English?

Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong

No, I am not related in any manner to Zygote.

No, you're too intelligent for that.

Originally Posted by zygote1

And no the Japanese have never apologized nor acknowledged their atrocities

Which shows me that you really cannot read nor comprehend what is verifiably written about what they did over 60 years ago

Originally Posted by zygote1

Not one apology was ever made to them for the atrocities they suffered. Don't you say otherwise.

All I am doing is showing you that they did with verifiable quotes . . . your inadequacy in accepting that fact says more about you than about me

Originally Posted by zygote1

Show me where a Japanese PM has come out and apologized.

See my post quoting them and follow it up. Easy . . . but you would have to open your eyes to do that

Originally Posted by zygote1

By chance were any of your family members collaborators?

Oh yes . . . you have me sussed. They all were . . .

Originally Posted by zygote1

Berlin had Lord Haw Haw and Tokyo had Rose. Teak Door has Panama Hat, the apologist for Japan.

What a deluded little man you are. Have I said that I don't believe they committed war crimes? No. That's also not the issue here, is it, or are you just obfuscating the issue because you are so blinkered and can't see what really is?

Lord Haw Haw and Tokyo Rose . . .

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by zygote1

And no the Japanese have never apologized nor acknowledged their atrocities

Which shows me that you really cannot read nor comprehend what is verifiably written about what they did over 60 years ago

The standard Japanese expression of remorse and regret is not an apology nor is it a repudiation past actions, nor does it accept that Japan was wrong.
You don't understand Japanese culture do you? Japanese people express regret when they don't want to say, hey what we did was wrong.

The Japanese population does not learn about Japan's behaviour in WWII to the same extent that Germans learn about their past. The history is sanitized and wiped clean. No Japanese political leader will make a public apology because it would be political suicide.

Show me where a Japanese politican has stated publicly in Japan that Japan's actions were wrong. Show me where Japan has accepted responsibility for the brutal experiments that cost 1 million chinese their lives. Show me where Japan has apologized for its scorched earth policy. Show me where Japan has apologized for its orders starting in 1943 that no prisoners were to be taken by the navy. Show me where Japan has said that what it did to foreign POWS, particularly the experiments and death labor camps was wrong.
You show me that and I will gladly retract my statement.

So far all you have done is hurl petty insults. Good for you. You say I am unintelligent. okay, that's super. It's the friggin internet. When people descend into pathetic behaviour like that it speaks to their inability to make a coherent point and nothing else.

Originally Posted by zygote1

The standard Japanese expression of remorse and regret is not an apology nor is it a repudiation past actions, nor does it accept that Japan was wrong.

Clearly not if you do some research or just read my quotes

Originally Posted by zygote1

You don't understand Japanese culture do you? Japanese people express regret when they don't want to say, hey what we did was wrong.

I am fairly well acquainted with Japan, thank you. Perhaps you should try to throw off your blinkers and try to do what you accuse me of not knowing. Do you know Japanese culture? Have you been to Japan? Have you worked in Japan?

Originally Posted by zygote1

Show me where .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............... blah blah blah blah blah blah.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..............................
You show me that and I will gladly retract my statement.

I have shown and irrespective of what is shown to you, you would never retract your statement.

Originally Posted by zygote1

So far all you have done is hurl petty insults.

Sure . . . seems to me that you have reading difficulties

Originally Posted by zygote1

It's the friggin internet. When people descend into pathetic behaviour like that it speaks to their inability to make a coherent point and nothing else.

How about not accepting that empirical evidence shows you to be wrong on this issue?

Your entitlement issues are what need working on as much as your comprehension skills.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Seems like you dont know anything about Australian politics.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Labor itself admitted this hard truth on Monday, after the Nielsen survey showed the Rudd Government heading for a landslide defeat, with just 47 per cent support to the Coalition's 53.

OK, so if all the other parties get together, they're more popular than Rudd's lot?

Originally Posted by Nawty

someone has to stand up for the whales....good on Oz.

I agree, well done.

Same goes for that boat the sheep sheperd or whatever it is called....they might be a tad over the top....but sometimes ya just gotta do what ya gotta do.....I admire those with balls that do it.

Judy Rudd, an amateur genealogy researcher in southern Queensland, was doing some personal work on her own family tree. She discovered that Prime Minister Kevin Rudd great-great uncle, Remus Rudd, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Melbourne in 1889. Both Judy and Kevin Rudd share this common ancestor.

The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallows at the Melbourne Gaol:

On the back of the picture Judy obtained during her research is this inscription: 'Remus Rudd horse thief, sent to Melbourne Gaol 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Melbourne-Geelong train six times. Caught by Victoria Police Force, convicted and hanged in 1889.'

So Judy recently e-mailed Prime Minister Rudd for information about their great-great uncle. Remus Rudd:

Believe it or not, Kevin Rudd's staff sent back the following biographical sketch for her genealogy research:

"Remus Rudd was famous in Victoria during the mid to late 1800s . His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Melbourne-Geelong Railroad.

Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to government service, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad.

In 1887, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the Victoria Police Force. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honour when the platform upon which he was standing collapsed."


NOW That’s how it's done, Folks!

That's real POLITICAL SPIN.

Fuck the Japs.

They squeel don't they ?

They do.