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    US Conflicts, By the Numbers...

    Tracey Barnett: US conflicts: The numbers speak for themselves
    4:00AM Saturday Oct 31, 2009
    By Tracey Barnett

    The true cost of war, by the numbers, for the United States.

    Estimated number of soldiers deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan: 1.7 million.

    Estimated number of US soldiers killed: 5250.

    Estimated number of private contractors killed: 1000.

    Estimated private contractors wounded: 13,000.

    Estimated number of US troops that have required medical treatment: 300,000.

    Estimated number of troops the US military officially deems "injured", "wounded" or "medically ill" officially: 80,000.

    Ratio of wounded to killed in WWII: 2 to 1.

    Compared to Vietnam: 3 to 1.

    Compared to Iraq and Afghanistan: 8 to 1.

    Soldiers are surviving war in bigger numbers, but with greater "polytrauma" and extensive traumatic brain injury brought on by atmospheric pressure from roadside bomb blasts.

    Percentage of veterans receiving care from Veterans Affairs hospitals for mental health issues, including post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), drinking, substance abuse, hypervigilence and additional serious behavioural problems: 43 per cent. This is a six-fold increase since 2002.


    Number of soldiers US Army statistics show returning home with PTSD: 17 per cent. Age group most likely to experience extended and multiple deployments of two, three and four tours of combat: 25 and under.


    Age group of marines with highest rates of PTSD and alcoholism: 25 and under.
    Age group that suffers most from PTSD among reservists and national guardsman who are most likely to have left established lives : 30 and over.

    Number of veterans receiving care from Veteran Affairs that are attempting suicide every month: 1000 (includes veterans from other wars).
    Number that are killing themselves daily: 18.

    Today more US soldiers are killing themselves than are dying in combat while overseas. This is the highest suicide rate the Army has reported since record keeping began.

    Length of time veterans that are denied medical disability currently have to wait before getting an answer to their Veteran's Administration appeal: 4.5 years.
    Maximum age allowed for enlisting in Iraq or Afghanistan in 2005: 35.
    Allowable age limit today: 42.

    Estimated number of new recruits now allowed to serve with previous rap sheet convictions, enlisted in the first half of 2007 alone: 8000.

    Estimated number of troops that have been "stop-lossed" - soldiers who are made to continue serving after their contract with the military has expired and are then re-deployed back to Iraq or Afghanistan: 58,000.

    Estimated number of troops listed as medically unfit but have been deployed anyway: 43,000.

    percentage of US troops in Iraq three years ago who thought the US should exit in the next year: 72 per cent.

    The number of soldiers that have deserted since 2003: nearly 25,000.
    Increase of the percentage of desertion from the previous five years, 1998-2003: 80 per cent.

    Estimated US cost of the Afghanistan war per year: US$60 billion ($82 billion).

    Estimated cost of both wars so far: US$1 trillion.

    Estimated future cost to repay war debt, replenish military equipment and provide care and treatment for US veterans back home: US$2 trillion plus.

    Roughly the number of years it would take to pay off that war debt if serviced by spending New Zealand's entire GDP: 27 years.

    Number of private contractors working in both war theatres that represent billions of war spending: 240,000.

    Number of staff to investigate potential fraud and war profiteering in the Army Criminal Investigation Command: less than 100.

    Estimated number of troops likely to be left stationed in Iraq even after the US "withdrawal": 50,000.

    Number of additional troops President Obama has ordered to Afghanistan since taking office: 21,000.

    Number of troops US General Stanley McChrystal is currently asking for in addition to that: 40,000.

    Estimated number of US troops now in Afghanistan: 68,000.

    Number of troops during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan at its height that resulted in defeat: 108,000.

    American Theologian Reinhold Neibuhr from The Irony of American History, published in 1952: "For if we should perish, the ruthlessness of the foe would be only the secondary cause of the disaster. The primary cause would be that the strength of a giant nation was directed by eyes too blind to see all the hazards of the struggle; and the blindness would be induced not by some accident of nature or history, but by hatred and vainglory."
    Tracey Barnett: US conflicts: The numbers speak for themselves - World - NZ Herald News

    "Today more US soldiers are killing themselves than are dying in combat while overseas. This is the highest suicide rate the Army has reported since record keeping began"

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    I've said it before, but I cannot understand why anyone is his right mind would volunteer for the military after Bush and the Iraq War. Even concerned High School and college administrators in America have tried to keep military recruiters off campus and in doing so treated them much like drug dealers.

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    Depressing figures, especially the suicide rates.

    All thanks to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

    I wonder what they are doing now.................

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Depressing figures, especially the suicide rates.

    All thanks to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

    I wonder what they are doing now.................
    Bush is getting paid to attend motivational speaking events. Cheney is sniping at the president, either directly or through his sock puppet daughter, in true Republican patriot fashion. Rumsfeld is probably drooling on himself somewhere.

    Very depressing figures. Excellent Columbia Journalism Review article here about the degree of bullshit in coverage by so-called liberal rags like the NYT, who despite being demonized by the loony right were cheerleaders and enablers for this war (Judith Miller being the best and most disgusting example): Black Hawk Up : CJR
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    Well, it's tough to be the world's policeman but somebody's gotta do it, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Well, it's tough to be the world's policeman but somebody's gotta do it, eh?
    Errr, thats the whole point. Not that many people want the US to be the world police.

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    It's nice to see Americans that are willing to die to keep their country free from, erm, whatever, muslims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Ratio of wounded to killed in WWII: 2 to 1.
    Compared to Vietnam: 3 to 1.
    Compared to Iraq and Afghanistan: 8 to 1.
    Thats because militarys realise that it takes more resourses to look after injured than dead, calibres are a lot smaller now which helps on weight and also less deaths so more resourses are taken up.

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    Like I said, worst than Vietnam and we can only hope it will end the same way, with American soldiers running for their life after the local freedom fighters take over

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    It's nice to see Americans that are willing to die to keep their country free from, erm, whatever, muslims?
    We were going to just let them all come in and go on the Dole but seems you guys from the UK being philanthropists and all beat us to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Well, it's tough to be the world's policeman but somebody's gotta do it, eh?
    Errr, thats the whole point. Not that many people want the US to be the world police.
    Right...and yáll would be sprekin' ze German right now too but the Japs dragged us into that one...
    Last edited by Boon Mee; 31-10-2009 at 05:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    The number of soldiers that have deserted since 2003: nearly 25,000. Increase of the percentage of desertion from the previous five years, 1998-2003: 80 per cent.
    They don't make those Ameeerican soldiers like they used to

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Depressing figures, especially the suicide rates.

    All thanks to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

    I wonder what they are doing now.................
    Not a single thank to Bin Laden for bringing down the Twin Towers ? How ungrateful you are

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    ^I thought the Saudies done that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Well, it's tough to be the world's policeman but somebody's gotta do it, eh?
    Errr, thats the whole point. Not that many people want the US to be the world police.
    I guess Kuwait, Israel , all Eastern Europe , Taiwan, Japan, S.Korea are not enough to qualify as "many" people for you

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    I'm pretty sure Iraq, north korea, afghanistan, china and many others would rather tell the yanks to stick their policing up their ass.

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    This thread has real potential!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    I'm pretty sure Iraq, north korea, afghanistan, china and many others would rather tell the yanks to stick their policing up their ass.
    We haven't invaded China or N. Korea yet...

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    China has weapons of mass destruction, no honest, they do, right thats another illegal invasion started based on facts as is the wont with America

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    It's a moot point anyhow. they hold so much of our debt it would be like going to war against yourself. Better we pick on somebody smaller...

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    A bit of collateral damage here, a bit of collateral damage there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    It's a moot point anyhow. they hold so much of our debt it would be like going to war against yourself. Better we pick on somebody smaller...
    And that's why China will never step over the line. I say we go for Iran first as we have experience in that part of the world. Besides, we got tons of personnel there anyway.

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    ^Probably best to start with a smaller country, something that you can win and help boost Americas soldiers morale, may I suggest Malta? or even some of the smaller Pacific islands, could be good practise for American soldiers aswell

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    Quote Originally Posted by mobs00
    I say we go for Iran first as we have experience in that part of the world.
    Experience is just about everything you don't have and that is the reason why you are there.

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    ^^ Says who?

    ^ I agree with Burma but those other countries have no usable resources. Tibet will come later as the world's fresh water diminishes.

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