Thread: Tories would force jobless to work

The UK lost it years ago by allowing Local Councils to control local business with draconian powers and silly obstacles enforced by unimaginative and normally unemployable little wankers to control silly and unnecessary rules and regulations on the local people.

Local Planning and council tax are typical examples: because of them enforcing their rules to the extreme with little or no common sense people have lost the pride of owning their own home or business which have often become a burden to people because of the these crazy rules.

There is no initiative or incentive in the UK anymore.

For some reason the UK has accepted mediocrity as the norm. Those who try and rise above this norm are punished by fees and licenses controlled by incompetent fools placed in jobs just to create jobs.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Indeed, Thatcher destroyed a third of the manufacturing base in her first 2 years in power. It has never recovered.

Fancy shutting down non-profitable industries! How terrible!

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Indeed, Thatcher destroyed a third of the manufacturing base in her first 2 years in power. It has never recovered.

Fancy shutting down non-profitable industries! How terrible!

Fancy charging the Proletariat for council tax! How disgusting!

From BBC


Pensions: An urgent clarification

Nick Robinson | 11:41 UK time, Tuesday, 6 October 2009
Comments (45)


Frantic breakfast consultations for Team Cameron this morning when they realised that the hasty unveiling of their pension plans could lead to headlines that if you were a 50-year-old woman you might have to work for up to three years longer before getting your state pension.
The policy has now been urgently clarified to offer women reassurance that their pension age will not rise any faster than under existing government plans. Currently, ministers plan to raise the state pension age for women in steps from 60 to 65 between 2010 and 2020.
Last night the Conservatives announced that to save money they would bring forward the date when the state pension age would rise to 66 for both men and women. They said that the money saved would allow them to stick to their pledge to link the state pension with rises in earnings.
Under existing government plans the pension age for men will increase to 66 in 2026. The Tories have said they want to look at bringing that date forward to 2016 at the earliest.
However, they were unclear when the pension age for women might rise to 66 opening up fears that women now in their 50s would have to work for up to three years longer if a Tory government were elected.
They are now insisting that the earliest date at which all women will have to work until the age of 66 before receiving their state pension is 2022.

^ They couldn`t even get their facts or stories straight on an issue as simple as this. So what faith will the electorate have in the Tories running the country.

Didn`t George Osbourne become famous with his gaff on the economy? stating that he predicted a run on the British pound when it had already dropped by 25% in value.

this is great news for Labour,

no matter how many stupid shit Labour do, the Torries are much worse and would do worse,

their current and past leaders were always stupid failures and never had any clue how to run a country

The Tories are already running the country and have been for the last 12 years.



Who do you think sponsered New Labour's creation?

Easy really same as Thailand if you want to eat you gotta work
Whats so terrible about that

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

The Tories are already running the country and have been for the last 12 years.



Who do you think sponsered New Labour's creation?

Mean bunch of flowers. Glad to see the Labour party enforcing cuts on the super rich

Originally Posted by Spin

In short the Uk is fucked in a way America isn't,

No, America is fucked too as they sent the manufacturing capabilities off shore too, so they make nothing anymore and import everything except food stuff such as farm products.

Originally Posted by crazy dog

Yeah but they somehow managed to develop the largest Empire ever which included the 13 colonies in America of course.

They surely did, but that was so they could set on their ass in the shade and drink gin and make someone else do the production.

Originally Posted by bretby

What the Tories are proposing with regard to people on incapacity benefit being forced to work or lose a substantial amount of their benefit payment will never happen.

I can see nothing wrong with those on the dole to have to check in at a named place as if ready to go to work, and then if nothing to do then go back home, but if you are late or do not check in at all, the days wage would not be paid.

Let the poor bastardss die and the sooner the better. When the leaches of society are gone, maybe things will get back to normaal.

tough love, bring it on.

increase pensions for the oldies so that they can live in some dignity and lower benefits substantially so that there is some motivation due to hardship to get out of the rent paid council flat, the mortgage paid house, the afternoons in the pub and find some work.

there is always work.

necessity is the mother of invention.

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Wot's all this then eh? Brits bitchin about jobs, the dole, Maggie and the lousy weather.

Doing what comes naturally.


Let's face it, Brits have always been lazy bastards. Much better to sit in the shade nursing a gin while watching the natives toil. And whinge.

About everything. Except the one thing they should whinge about, that hogs-piss they euphemistically call beer.

Are you referring to the Australian Fosters or the American Bud we drink here ??

you keep throwin them stones ,,,,,,,and I,ll keep sweepin the glass up

Originally Posted by taxexile

there is always work.

Quite clearly there isn't.

Originally Posted by taxexile

necessity is the mother of invention.

That might have been true once, but for at least the last hundred years, in nearly all cases, quite the opposite is true.

Same shit, different forum.

Originally Posted by astasinim

During the last recession, I lost my job, so joined the army and finished my trade training

You were younger than 30 then

Originally Posted by gjbkk

Local Planning and council tax are typical examples: because of them enforcing their rules to the extreme with little or no common sense people have lost the pride of owning their own home or business which have often become a burden to people because of the these crazy rules.

There is no initiative or incentive in the UK anymore.

I haven't a clue what you are trying to say? But don't worry, its probably me.

Local planning rules have just gone through a major de-regulation and Council Tax applies to every home - owned or rented. Businesses have never been subject to Council Tax, so I guess you mean Non-domestic or Business Rates? Where unlike Council Tax, Central Govt. determine how much is charged.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Good to see the Tories are already working hard, preparing to sort out Labour's mess, yet again.

You obviously didn't live in the North of Britain in the eighties. The Tories wrecked heavy industry,destroyed communities and put millions on the dole.
if you think Labour are bad at the moment wait until this mob get in.
What the hell do a couple of millionaire old Etonians like Cameron and Osbourne know about the ordinary working man and woman and the day to day struggles that people face. They have lived a life of complete privilege and never had to worry about paying bills,feeding and clothing their kids or crime in their communities.

The Tories wrecked heavy industry

the unions and the stubborn flat cappers wrecked heavy industry, helped along by bad management and their inability and unwillingness to adjust in order to become competitive with the much more efficient germans and japanese.

add unprofessional export departments and managers, sneeringly dismissive of johnny foriegner into the mix and self destruction became inevitable.

thatcher, for all her sins, raised the standard of living in the uk for most people and promoted entrepreneurship and self sufficiency.

unfortunately she couldnt control greed , something that todays governments have been unable to control as well, and it was that along with poll tax and her two faced and disloyal cabinet that eventually destroyed her.

she was the best thing that happened to britain since churchill.

british socialism and the politics of envy that they promote is a cancer that needs to be destroyed before britain ever regains its self respect again.

Originally Posted by taxexile

the unions and the stubborn flat cappers wrecked heavy industry, helped along by bad management and their inability and unwillingness to adjust in order to become competitive with the much more efficient germans and japanese.

yeah, that sounds like a management problem, hardly the Union faults. Is it too hard to think for you that maybe the Unions were simply reacting to the bad management ?

Originally Posted by taxexile

for all her sins, raised the standard of living in the uk for most people and promoted entrepreneurship and self sufficiency.

only because she made some short term goals that were easy to achieve but had long term consequences and therefore only painful in the long run. She had no fucking clue.

Borrowing from the "bank" and claiming to be "rich" is hardly a measure to being successful.

Is it too hard to think for you that maybe the Unions were simply reacting to the bad management ?

the unions were only thinking about lining their own nests, the restrictive practices they brought in, supported and defended meant that british industry would never be competitive. they didnt have the interests of their members at heart, they were engaged in a class war. management were far from blameless and fought their own class war. the flat caps were too dumb to see that they were cutting their own throats.

after thatcher rightfully castrated the unions industrial relations improved as did the quality of management. british industry needed a revolution. these days the west cant compete with the low labour costs of the east. its the way of things.

but socialism as practised in the uk is an evil thing and strips away a persons incentive and self respect.

most people can manage on their own and dont really need half of the "help" that the government condescendingly doles out. give better help to the really needy and incapable and let the lazy sink or swim. the pride they gain from "doing it themselves" will be passed on to their kids and families too. they may not be as well off in terms of material possessions but they keep their self respect and have some incentive, responsibility and ambition in their lives.

for me socialism stinks, and the incompetent smirking hectoring socialist politicians grasp at the trappings of power and the money that goes with it more than any so called eton man would , although they are also not blameless in this respect.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Indeed, Thatcher destroyed a third of the manufacturing base in her first 2 years in power. It has never recovered.

Fancy shutting down non-profitable industries! How terrible!

Most of those industries could have been viably very profitable after the unions were put back in their place after the dysfunctional 70's. All the hard work and dead wood had been done and sorted out in that respect. The Tories had a mandate to put Britain's industries back on the map. A change in management was required plus an investment in modernization, and industries like steel; shipbuilding; heavy engineering; mining; etc could have been very profitable. Not to mention keeping a population and society in work. Instead it was sold off for a quick buck to keep the Tory Party backers happy. The South of England and the city of London benefitted hugely, but not so the rest of the country.