Thread: The liberal grauniad claims Fifth of Britons unknowingly aid child trafficking

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

I mean they're trying to tell me the bloke who sells DVD's in the pub is doing it specifically so he can get kids to act as prostitutes

Nope, thats not what they are trying to tell you, can you not work out the link?

please enlighten me EN im prepared to learn. ive missed what u find obvious. sorry mate.

Originally Posted by lob

please enlighten me EN im prepared to learn. ive missed what u find obvious. sorry mate.

Del Boy's appearances in Only Fools And Horses may have made under-thecounter goods appear a harmless activity, but brutal organised crime syndicates now monopolise the trade.

In other words, anyone who buys a fake Prada bag knock-off Gucci sunglasses or a pirated DVD is the final link in a chain that includes criminals involved in extortion, prostitution, people-smuggling, murder and even terrorism.

In reality, 'the guy who sells DVD's in the pub' is simply a pawn in a far wider and more sinister operation. In Britain, the bulk of counterfeiting is controlled by British crime bosses, often with overseas connections to Chinese Triads, Italian Mafia, Serbian gangsters and Far Eastern crime syndicates.

Remember the 21 Chinese cockle-pickers, who drowned after being cut off by the tide at Morecambe Bay three years ago? They had been smuggled into the country by members of the infamous Snakehead gang, whose favourite method of 'enforcement' is smashing body joints with a claw hammer.

Then the illegal immigrants were forced to work in the sea by day and to make counterfeit goods at night - in order to pay for their fake documents and passage to Britain.

At all levels of the counterfeiting business, extreme violence and cruelty are commonplace. There have been pitched battles between rival gangs - armed with knives, axes and baseball bats - at markets from London to Glasgow.

Former IRA and UDA paramilitaries in Northern Ireland are now thought to control 80 per cent of their local trade in fakes. There are even fears that Al-Qaeda may be in on the action.

When associates of the men who flew the planes into New York's twin towers were picked up after fleeing into Canada, they were found to have documents linking them to the manufacture of counterfeit goods.

Similarly, the men currently on trial for their alleged role in the Madrid train bombings - that killed 191 people in 2004 - had used proceeds from the sale of pirated CDs and DVD movies to fund their activities.

So, yes, there is a far bigger picture, and if people are too blinkered to see that, then more fool them.

Yes I saw this article as well, but what has this got to do with child prostitution and child begging in the UK? and how does it relate to the sensationalist article by the Guardian that we are discussing?

You buy a packet of Marlboro they fund (or used to ) fund thew KKK, you buy a MacDonalds, they denude rain forests, you pay tax they spend it on landmines and clymores used on Afghani civilians, you go for a piss you toxify a sewage worker, you go for a curry they fund Al Quaeda and use their curry house as a front for heroin imporation, you have an extension built you're giving a man who supports the BNP a wage, where does it end ?

In fact if you analyse it the only act doesn't have a negative impact on anyone is starving yourself to death in the nude in a rainforset having walked there bollock naked without farting.

At the end of the day how morally superior are people who go on a website devoted to westerners lives in Thailand ?

Cheers

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

You buy a packet of Marlboro they fund (or used to ) fund thew KKK, you buy a MacDonalds, they denude rain forests, you pay tax they spend it on landmines and clymores used on Afghani civilians, you go for a piss you toxify a sewage worker, you go for a curry they fund Al Quaeda and use their curry house as a front for heroin imporation, you have an extension built you're giving a man who supports the BNP a wage, where does it end ?

In fact if you analyse it the only act doesn't have a negative impact on anyone is starving yourself to death in the nude in a rainforset having walked there bollock naked without farting.

At the end of the day how morally superior are people who go on a website devoted to westerners lives in Thailand ?

Cheers

An absolute pile of crud. Take responsibility for what you do and don't try to justify it with conspiracy theories and bullshit. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're an adult you should be ashamed of yourself for posting such retarded nonsense. Your nik appears to be justified, I'll give you that.

.............but it`s alright for you to advocate legalising drugs? Many would say that this suggestion is also a pile of crap.

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

You buy a packet of Marlboro they fund (or used to ) fund thew KKK

Been proven as an urban myth countless times.

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

you pay tax they spend it on landmines

UK signed the Ottawa Treaty, they don't use anti-personnel mines.

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

you go for a piss you toxify a sewage worker, you go for a curry they fund Al Quaeda and use their curry house as a front for heroin imporation

Links please.

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

you have an extension built you're giving a man who supports the BNP a wage, where does it end ?

Just being a troll.

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

At the end of the day how morally superior are people who go on a website devoted to westerners lives in Thailand ?

lob asked a question, I answered it.

Originally Posted by bretby

.............but it`s alright for you to advocate legalising drugs? Many would say that this suggestion is also a pile of crap.

How's about saying why? This forum is a written medium, that means that if you have an opinion you justify it by using writing. You just saying something means less than nothing. Many people say that reptoid aliens control the world, the fact that many people say it doesn't mean that they should be taken seriously. If you have good reasons as to why some drugs shouldn't be legalised please say so, if you just want to post plonking nonsense then take it to youtube - if you have a worthwhile opinion then please let us know what it's based on, if you don't then no matter how many smileys you put at the end of your sentences it's best that you keep your yap shut.

Legalising drugs is the ONLY logical solution. All other arguments are already proven to be irrelevant crap. The "war on drugs" has proven to be a total waste of resources. It is window dressing garbage to appease the moral minority. It serves no other purpose.

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

You buy a packet of Marlboro they fund (or used to ) fund thew KKK

Been proven as an urban myth countless times.

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

you pay tax they spend it on landmines

UK signed the Ottawa Treaty, they don't use anti-personnel mines.

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

you go for a piss you toxify a sewage worker, you go for a curry they fund Al Quaeda and use their curry house as a front for heroin imporation

Links please.

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

you have an extension built you're giving a man who supports the BNP a wage, where does it end ?

Just being a troll.

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

At the end of the day how morally superior are people who go on a website devoted to westerners lives in Thailand ?

lob asked a question, I answered it.

The examples were general ficticious ones to illustrate a point which, in nittpicking the specifics you have proved you have missed.


Cheers

okay.

EN is absolutely correct. Every trade mentioned in the OP is controlled by a small group of people, about 3 or 4 family organisations and the rest Irish ex-terrorists, all with links to international organised crime. This is something I've tried to tell people about for years, your harmless teenth of skunk is bought from terrorists, pornographers, and murderers. The profits made on your "harmless" purchase are used to finance untold suffering. That is a fact

Though I agree that many 'harmless' purchases actually have harmful results, I have to nitpick and say that not every tenth of skunk comes from international organisations that funds terrorists, pornographers and murderers and I think it's an exaggeration to say otherwise.

I used to smoke with a load of students, they was always going on about noble and moral causes, and when I brought up similar points to yours above and told them to stop smoking the hash joint if they felt that strongly about some of the causes they were funding, of course, denial.

Personal pleasure triumphs over the moral right with everybody at some level, it just depends on how far you are willing to take it.

If I buy a drink in a go go bar am I funding a 3rd world sex trade that supports child prostitution. Maybe I am. Do I care? Not enough.

This is the reality of the situation.

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by SiLeakHunt

you pay tax they spend it on landmines

UK signed the Ottawa Treaty, they don't use anti-personnel mines.

I think you understand his point though Noodles.

With our everyday living some of our money spent on perfectly legitimate items, or in personal taxes are funding immoral actions, and often without our knowledge. How far can you take it?

How do I know the many items made in China in my home were not made by children?

ccxxy

In fact apart from the prostitution claim of kids were taken from a village on Afghanistan and sent to sell dvds on the high street in England i'd say they were the lucky ones and quite happy about it too.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by bretby

.............but it`s alright for you to advocate legalising drugs? Many would say that this suggestion is also a pile of crap.

How's about saying why? This forum is a written medium, that means that if you have an opinion you justify it by using writing. You just saying something means less than nothing. Many people say that reptoid aliens control the world, the fact that many people say it doesn't mean that they should be taken seriously. If you have good reasons as to why some drugs shouldn't be legalised please say so, if you just want to post plonking nonsense then take it to youtube - if you have a worthwhile opinion then please let us know what it's based on, if you don't then no matter how many smileys you put at the end of your sentences it's best that you keep your yap shut.

The use of illicit drugs is illegal because of their intoxicating effects on the brain, damaging impact on the body, adverse impact on behavior, and potential for abuse. Their use threatens the health, welfare, and safety of all people, of users and non-users alike.
Legalization would decrease price and increase availability. Availability is a leading factor associated with increased drug use. Increased use of addictive substances leads to increased addiction. As a public health measure, statistics show that prohibition was a tremendous success.
Many drug users commit murder, child and spouse abuse, rape, property damage, assault and other violent crimes under the influence of drugs. Drug users, many of whom are unable to hold jobs, commit robberies not only to obtain drugs, but also to purchase food, shelter, clothing and other goods and services. Increased violent crime and increased numbers of criminals will result in even larger prison populations.
Legalizing drugs will not eliminate illegal trafficking of drugs, nor the violence associated with the illegal drug trade. A black market would still exist unless all psychoactive and addictive drugs in all strengths were made available to all ages in unlimited quantity.
Drug laws deter people from using drugs. Surveys indicate that the fear of getting in trouble with the law constitutes a major reason not to use drugs. Fear of the American legal system is a major concern of foreign drug lords. Drug laws have turned drug users to a drug-free lifestyle through mandatory treatment. 40% - 50% are in treatment as a result of the criminal justice system.
A study of international drug policy and its effects on countries has shown that countries with lax drug law enforcement have had an increase in drug addiction and crime. Conversely, those with strong drug policies have reduced drug use and enjoy low crime rates.
The United States and many countries would be in violation of international treaty if they created a legal market in cocaine, marijuana, and other drugs. The U.S. is a signatory to the Single Convention on Narcotics & the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, and has agreed with other members of the United Nations to control and penalize drug manufacturing, trafficking, and use. 112 nations recently reaffirmed their commitment to strong drug laws

Not my words...but how does that grab ya?

Originally Posted by bretby

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by bretby

.............but it`s alright for you to advocate legalising drugs? Many would say that this suggestion is also a pile of crap.

How's about saying why? This forum is a written medium, that means that if you have an opinion you justify it by using writing. You just saying something means less than nothing. Many people say that reptoid aliens control the world, the fact that many people say it doesn't mean that they should be taken seriously. If you have good reasons as to why some drugs shouldn't be legalised please say so, if you just want to post plonking nonsense then take it to youtube - if you have a worthwhile opinion then please let us know what it's based on, if you don't then no matter how many smileys you put at the end of your sentences it's best that you keep your yap shut.

The use of illicit drugs is illegal because of their intoxicating effects on the brain, damaging impact on the body, adverse impact on behavior, and potential for abuse. Their use threatens the health, welfare, and safety of all people, of users and non-users alike.
Legalization would decrease price and increase availability. Availability is a leading factor associated with increased drug use. Increased use of addictive substances leads to increased addiction. As a public health measure, statistics show that prohibition was a tremendous success.
Many drug users commit murder, child and spouse abuse, rape, property damage, assault and other violent crimes under the influence of drugs. Drug users, many of whom are unable to hold jobs, commit robberies not only to obtain drugs, but also to purchase food, shelter, clothing and other goods and services. Increased violent crime and increased numbers of criminals will result in even larger prison populations.
Legalizing drugs will not eliminate illegal trafficking of drugs, nor the violence associated with the illegal drug trade. A black market would still exist unless all psychoactive and addictive drugs in all strengths were made available to all ages in unlimited quantity.
Drug laws deter people from using drugs. Surveys indicate that the fear of getting in trouble with the law constitutes a major reason not to use drugs. Fear of the American legal system is a major concern of foreign drug lords. Drug laws have turned drug users to a drug-free lifestyle through mandatory treatment. 40% - 50% are in treatment as a result of the criminal justice system.
A study of international drug policy and its effects on countries has shown that countries with lax drug law enforcement have had an increase in drug addiction and crime. Conversely, those with strong drug policies have reduced drug use and enjoy low crime rates.
The United States and many countries would be in violation of international treaty if they created a legal market in cocaine, marijuana, and other drugs. The U.S. is a signatory to the Single Convention on Narcotics & the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, and has agreed with other members of the United Nations to control and penalize drug manufacturing, trafficking, and use. 112 nations recently reaffirmed their commitment to strong drug laws

Not my words...but how does that grab ya?

It doesn't grab me. Firstly because it's not your own words, I don't accept straight-forward uncommented cut and pastes as being the opinion of anybody but the original author. Secondly, even though you didn't credit them, it's from Drug Watch International, an anti-legalization pressure group and therefore not neutral, and thirdly, your use of it as evidence of anything is nonsensical, it's only a position statement - as is made clear on its original site. The fact that you're unable to see the difference between a position statement and evidence does not bode well for your credibility.

If you wish to argue the rights and wrongs of drug legalisation I am sure that you could well argue with yourself and one of you would tell the other that you have the right answer.

At one placed I lived in for a few years I suffered a spate of burgalries, it was when laptops were a grand, and I had three nicked and replaced by the insurance until after the third the insurance company refused to offer me a policy.

The policeman after the third burgalry said it's sad, "they've probably each gone for about £50 worth of heroin"

so for a grand total of £150 of brown, I've lost £3000 worth of computer equipemnt. The overhead in terms of policeing, lost work by me and administrating the insurance end probably put a whole cost of those episodes (I'm estimating here) at about £5000.

I've heard that legally heroin can be manufactured for the equivalent of £2 a gramme, and to administer 3 grammes of it to an addict certainly isn't going to cost £5000.

Most burgalry at least in the UK is heroin related.So why not let heroin addicts have a free regulated supply without the inpurity issues that often lead to overdose ? I met a senior member of Manchester's judiciary and was talking to him about the above figures and the posibilty of legalising drugs and he replied that it would never happen in the UK becuase 80 % of the judiciary would be out of work overnight.


Cheers

Although the original theme of this post was telling us not to buy a moody copy of "The italian Job" unless you want to fund child prostitution.