UN Worst Case Global Warming Scenarios Realized

**MustavaMond** · 04-07-2009, 09:43 AM

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Climate scenarios 'being realised'

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The worst-case scenarios on climate change envisaged by the UN two years ago are already being realised, say scientists at an international meeting.

In a statement in Copenhagen on their six key messages to political leaders, they say there is a increasing risk of abrupt or irreversible climate shifts.
Even modest temperature rises will affect millions of people, particularly in the developing world, they warn.
But, they say, most tools needed to cut carbon dioxide emissions already exist.
More than 2,500 researchers and economists attended this meeting designed to update the world on the state of climate research ahead of key political negotiations set for December this year.
New data was presented in Copenhagen on sea level rise, which indicated that the best estimates of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) made two years ago were woefully out of date.

Business as usual is dead - green growth is the answer to both our climate and economic problems.

Danish PM Anders Fogh Rasmussen

Scientists heard that waters could rise by over a metre across the world with huge impacts for hundreds of millions of people.
There was also new information on how the Amazon rainforest would cope with rising temperatures. A UK Meteorological Office study concluded there would be a 75% loss of tree cover if the world warmed by three degrees for a century.

The scientists hope that their conclusions will remove any excuses from the political process.
Dr Katherine Richardson, who chaired the scientific steering committee that organised the conference and issued the six "key messages", said the research presented added new certainty to the IPCC reports.

"We've seen lots more data, we can see where we are, no new surprises, we have a problem."

"Mass migrations"

The meeting was also addressed by Lord Stern, the economist, whose landmark review of the economics of climate change published in 2006 highlighted the severe cost to the world of doing nothing.
He now says the report underestimated the scale of the risks, and the speed at which the planet is warming.
He urged scientists to speak out and tell the politicians what the world would be like if effective measures against global warming were not taken.

He said that if the world was to warm by 5C over the next century, there would be dramatic consequences for millions of people. Rising seas would make many areas uninhabitable leading to mass migrations and inevitably sparking violent conflict.

Lord Stern: 'The Economics of Climate Change' underestimated the risks

"You'd see hundreds of millions people, probably billions of people who would have to move and we know that would cause conflict, so we would see a very extended period of conflict around the world, decades or centuries as hundreds of millions of people move, " said Lord Stern.
"So I think it's very important that we understand the magnitude of the risk we are running."
He said that a new, effective global deal was desperately needed to avoid these dramatic scenarios - and the current global economic slowdown was in some ways a help.
"Action is rather attractive, inaction is inexcusable. It's an opportunity, given that resources will be cheaper now than in the future, now is the time to get the unemployed of Europe working on energy efficiency."

Lord Stern's views were echoed by Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
"Business as usual is dead - green growth is the answer to both our climate and economic problems.
"I hope the whole world will join us and set a two degree goal as an ambition of a climate deal in Copenhagen," said Mr Rasmussen.

watterinja · 04-07-2009, 10:13 AM

"You'd see hundreds of millions people, probably billions of people who would have to move and we know that would cause conflict, so we would see a very extended period of conflict around the world, decades or centuries as hundreds of millions of people move, " said Lord Stern.

He has an excellent point. I'd never thought of global warming in those terms. Quite profound.

**FlyFree** · 04-07-2009, 10:21 AM

The whole game is changing. The drive for peace and co-operation of the last 50 years will probably be reversed as forced migration, food and water shortages etc. starts biting. The scenario is scary, and no way I would bring children into this world now.

**peterpan** · 04-07-2009, 10:26 AM

These bureaucrats amuse me, have a big talkfest in a nice city with good beer and food,flying in from the 4 corners on planes then project these alarming reports of 1m rise in sea levels.
Where in the world is there a documented rise in see level? I was on the beach I grew up on 2 yrs ago, I lived on that beach, surfing, pulling downers out the sea, drinking and shagging as it right across from home.
The sea level tide in / out levels were exactly as I remember them. High tide was 6 paces away from the sea wall 45 years ago and its the same distance now.

**crippen** · 04-07-2009, 10:31 AM

Build more 747's and a380's to help move them??

**DrB0b** · 04-07-2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by peterpan

Where in the world is there a documented rise in see level? I was on the beach I grew up on 2 yrs ago, I lived on that beach, surfing, pulling downers out the sea, drinking and shagging as it right across from home.
The sea level tide in / out levels were exactly as I remember them. High tide was 6 paces away from the sea wall 45 years ago and its the same distance now.

Current sea level rise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can't work out an average from just looking at one place.

**Norton** · 04-07-2009, 12:05 PM

I don't think Peter's measuring scale is up to the task. Paces just won't do?

"geologically stable environments show a rise of around 20 centimeters (8 inches) per century, or 2 mm/year."

**Nietzsche** · 04-07-2009, 04:47 PM

This climate change racket is a scam invented by the likes of Al Gore & now everyone's milking it.

They show pics of polar bears drowning, when the truth is polar bears are thriving more than ever.

They show ice melting, but the ice on Mars has melted, too.

They ask you to sort your rubbish into seperate bins, then ship the lot off on a barge to China for incineration.

They can't accurately predict next weeks weather, yet band about fifty-year predictions like facts?

They predict doom, then tell us if we pay for something or other, everything will be fine.

What a load of shit.

**FlyFree** · 04-07-2009, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

This climate change racket is a scam invented by the likes of Al Gore & now everyone's milking it.

They show pics of polar bears drowning, when the truth is polar bears are thriving more than ever.

They show ice melting, but the ice on Mars has melted, too.

They ask you to sort your rubbish into seperate bins, then ship the lot off on a barge to China for incineration.

They can't accurately predict next weeks weather, yet band about fifty-year predictions like facts?

They predict doom, then tell us if we pay for something or other, everything will be fine.

What a load of shit.

Refreshing to see someone rating his own post.

Mars is a good example of where you'd like to see the earth going is it?

What hope the human race.

**Rural Surin** · 04-07-2009, 05:11 PM

Global warming. Pro or con, one big business. Yes, it is a racket. Regardless of your politics and scientific evidence {one way or the other}, there is huge profits to be made promoting respective theories. The big picture is lost.

**Rural Surin** · 04-07-2009, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by watterinja

"You'd see hundreds of millions people, probably billions of people who would have to move and we know that would cause conflict, so we would see a very extended period of conflict around the world, decades or centuries as hundreds of millions of people move, " said Lord Stern.

He has an excellent point. I'd never thought of global warming in those terms. Quite profound.

Hasn't human conflict been part of the cycle of existence {historically} with or without the consciousness of global warming? Extended period of conflict worldwide.....???

**Nietzsche** · 04-07-2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Mars is a good example of where you'd like to see the earth going is it?

Another one in the grip of advanced mental illness.

What hope the human race

None.

In fifty years most of the planet's population will be muslim. They don't care about fairy-tales, other than their silly book & this climate change racket will have gone out the window by then.

With that in mind, you guys have much bigger priorities to our future generations than sorting out your plastic bottles from your newspapers, but you're all too busy swallowing the sales pitch from those who make a fortune on the back of it.

Morons.

Hasn't human conflict been part of the cycle of existence {historically} with or without the consciousness of global warming?

They don't let facts get in the way of a good doomsday scenario, RS.

**Rural Surin** · 04-07-2009, 05:33 PM

Woulda, shoulda, coulda. Extremely difficult to speculate intelligently upon a future. One could suggest that to examine future possibilities is quite fruitless because we haven't even grasped our past and present.

**blackgang** · 04-07-2009, 06:35 PM

You are very correct on that, and no one is sure if there is a cure for global warming as it has been going on every day for the last 20,000 years at least, and that is just this warming trend, how long did the last few last, in thousands of years?

**PlanK** · 04-07-2009, 06:39 PM

I'm just happy to be living during the warming part of the cycle. Fcuk living in ice age.

**MustavaMond** · 05-07-2009, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

This climate change racket is a scam invented by the likes of Al Gore & now everyone's milking it.

They show pics of polar bears drowning, when the truth is polar bears are thriving more than ever.

They show ice melting, but the ice on Mars has melted, too.

They ask you to sort your rubbish into seperate bins, then ship the lot off on a barge to China for incineration.

They can't accurately predict next weeks weather, yet band about fifty-year predictions like facts?

They predict doom, then tell us if we pay for something or other, everything will be fine.

What a load of shit.

What a load of shit is right - "....polar bears, more than ever..."

For some folks , the thought of giving up that ego enhancing Fortuner is just too scary to even consider.

" Oh my god , my penis is too small to drive an energy efficient vehicle or actually try to curb my consumption .., people will know how inadequate I really am. No no noooooo....

"I don't care about the planet in 50 years, I'll be dead .. No no Noooooooo.... "

CO 2 levels in ice are measurable and there's more in the atmosphere now than ever.
IT IS humanity's industrialization that enriches the selfish few that is making the planet uninhabitable for all species.

**Nietzsche** · 05-07-2009, 09:43 AM

It's just pollution.

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

What a load of shit is right

"There aren't just a few more bears. There are a hell of a lot more bears," said Mitch Taylor, a polar bear biologist who has spent 20 years studying the animals.

Linky

In the interests of balance, this article is from the New York Times.

Soviet scientists on board an icebreaker drifting just 300 miles from the North Pole have concluded that the world is getting hotter. Warm-water fish are appearing in increasing numbers in Arctic seas as temperatures have risen, melting the ice caps. The Russian explorers believe that very soon ships will be able to sail right across the Pole.

Thing is, it was published December 12, 1938. By 1947, the ice caps were restored to their former glory.

None of this has in any way deterred the global warming fascists. They dismiss this glaring, incontrovertible evidence as a 'blip' and continue to insist the world is burning up.

If Arthur Daley was around today he’d be running a carbon trading scheme from his lock-up in Acton & Del Boy would be selling carbon offsetting forms from a suitcase on Peckham market.

**BobR** · 05-07-2009, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

This climate change racket is a scam invented by the likes of Al Gore & now everyone's milking it.

They show pics of polar bears drowning, when the truth is polar bears are thriving more than ever.

They show ice melting, but the ice on Mars has melted, too.

They ask you to sort your rubbish into seperate bins, then ship the lot off on a barge to China for incineration.

They can't accurately predict next weeks weather, yet band about fifty-year predictions like facts?

They predict doom, then tell us if we pay for something or other, everything will be fine.

What a load of shit.

It's quite alright to watch Fox News so long as you do not actually believe what they say.

**DrB0b** · 05-07-2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

I
None of this has in any way deterred the global warming fascists. They dismiss this glaring, incontrovertible evidence as a 'blip' and continue to insist the world is burning up.

You need to get up to date with your conspiracy theories, you're the only person left who doesn't believe the world is getting hotter. Not even the wackiest of the wackos deny that anymore. That's so 1990's. "Debate" now is only about whether it's man-made or not.

**Nietzsche** · 05-07-2009, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

it's man-made

As Mars has increased its temperature by exactly the same amount - at exactly the same time - it's fair to say it's not.

My money's on the sun being the culprit.

**Norton** · 05-07-2009, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

My money's on the sun being the culprit.

We now have a breakthrough in establishing consensus on the issue.

**DrB0b** · 05-07-2009, 12:24 PM

^Don't worry. The world's finest brains are working on a super-weapon that will destroy our solar nemesis. The war on terror has been won, the war on the stars begins! Chai yo!

**peterpan** · 05-07-2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

I don't think Peter's measuring scale is up to the task. Paces just won't do?

It was hi tech in 1964, but than again so was the transistor.

**Norton** · 05-07-2009, 12:46 PM

Don't know about you Peter but my strides (and strokes) are much shorter than they were in 1964. Think we need to recalibrate a tad to measure within millimeters.

**MustavaMond** · 08-07-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

Originally Posted by DrB0b

it's man-made

As Mars has increased its temperature by exactly the same amount - at exactly the same time - it's fair to say it's not.

My money's on the sun being the culprit.

This statement is so representative of the misunderstanding and outright dis informtion being peddled by the fossil fuel industries.

OMG NO SHIT, it's heat from the sun.
NO ONE is claiming humans are creating the heat !!

The PROBLEM is excessive CO 2 created by industry and lavish lifestyles such as driving a car 5 times heavier than it needs to be -acts as a blanket and the heat doesn't escape as efficiently as it should.
" Green House effect "
Just ask Venus ..
And your Mars statement is BS

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