Air France Airbus goes down

**spliff** · 03-06-2009, 01:49 PM

According to a couple merchant ships that rerouted to the area and were there before the Brazilian Navy, there is now no more debris left floating on on the oceans surface. Don't know when the underwater search will commence but I'd imagine ASAP, maybe towards the end of this week. Very sad for the passengers and family, that goes w'out saying. Must have been one hell of a storm.

**Mr R Sole** · 03-06-2009, 01:49 PM

^ this will be the reason for that....Sad but oh so true.

the law of nature....nothing goes to waste..

**Mr R Sole** · 03-06-2009, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Eat right, exercise daily, live clean, die anyway.

The long gone but not forgotton....well not in my book anyway (Bill Hicks)
"It's just a ride, it's just a ride"

Sadly it was their last...comes to us all

**Mr R Sole** · 03-06-2009, 02:00 PM

Just read this on one of the news reports..."I just want to find my son's body so that he can have a dignified burial," said Aldair Gomes"

To be honest, I don't think I would want to...really. What a grim and no doubt nasty state they would be in...think I would be content just to look at a photo of my loved one and remember them that way..

My father died nearly 5yrs ago from lung cancer (damn fags..but I still smoke!!!!!) and my step mother asked me not to go and look at his body...I thought at the time..why the fu*k are you asking me this and he's my father..

Well I remember seeing some of my dead friends and they hardly even resembled themselves when they were still breathing...so I am quite glad now thinking back that I didn't..he was long gone by the time I got back from Thailand anyway...so had a fat 1 instead & a beer and remembered how much I loved him....but he's gone so MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEE on...it's what most people would want from their relatives...surely I'm not wrong?????

**The Gentleman Scamp** · 03-06-2009, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by R Sole

so MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEE on...it's what most people would want from their relatives...surely I'm not wrong?????

Fair point, but it hasn't even been 48hrs yet.. I think the relatives deserve a bit more time before moving on.

**Mr R Sole** · 03-06-2009, 02:14 PM

^ I was talking about my own situation....I fully agree...poor bastards....and don't forget the lawyers banging on the door to help them get that grief payment...for their loved ones...

you know I'm right on that...that's if Air France don't get them all in a room very quickly to discuss it.....and give them some well needed grief counselling

**panama hat** · 03-06-2009, 02:39 PM

[quote=shaggersback;1073083][quote=panama hat;1073011]

Originally Posted by Bobcock

3,000 and 7,000 kilometres deep

10,911 metres , Mariana Trench (between Japan and PNG) Around 11 kilometres deep and the deepest part of any ocean.

3000 - 7000 k deep ? If it were the case the black box would be easier to retrieve from Mars.

Do you like repeating what's been written before? I have highlighted the relevant part of my post just for you.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Bobcock

3,000 and 7,000 kilometres deep

Now that is deep

Indeed . . . perhaps metres should be used instead of kilometres . . .

**good2bhappy** · 03-06-2009, 02:43 PM

Talking about the mariana trench
just read a submersible has reached the bottom
and come back up

**The Gentleman Scamp** · 03-06-2009, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

^ I was talking about my own situation....I fully agree...poor bastards....and don't forget the lawyers banging on the door to help them get that grief payment...for their loved ones...

you know I'm right on that...that's if Air France don't get them all in a room very quickly to discuss it.....and give them some well needed grief counselling

That's one of the problems with this day and age, pharma giants cash in on grief by getting everyone on drugs - people need to deal with grief naturally.

It does my head in to think that when I was buying my haggis on Monday afternoon, all those people were alive, packing their bags and stuff and now they are having their lips and eyelids nibbled and pecked at by deep sea fish and all their posessions, toothbrushes, laptops, novels are sat 12 kilomitres below the Atlantic.

I hope it was quick - as in loss of cabin pressure and consciousness before the stomach lifting white knuckle descent.

**somtamslap** · 03-06-2009, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

as in loss of cabin pressure and consciousness before the stomach lifting white knuckle descent.

Doesn't bear thinking about....there's a myth that the oxygen masks on planes are filled with some sort of powerful relaxent, sure hope it was for these poor souls...tragic for them and their families.

**Rural Surin** · 03-06-2009, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

Talking about the mariana trench
just read a submersible has reached the bottom
and come back up

Japanese..??

**Norton** · 03-06-2009, 09:47 PM

^Unless good2bhappy is talking about a recent dive, the first was the Swiss designed, US Navy Trieste. Reached the Mariana Trench in 1960.

**Bung** · 03-06-2009, 10:17 PM

Some bodies may pop up to the surface in a day or two after they gas up from decomposition.

**The Gentleman Scamp** · 03-06-2009, 11:09 PM

Decomposition?

At that temperature?

**S Landreth** · 04-06-2009, 05:29 AM

Heavy seas hamper recovery of Flight 447 debris

FERNANDO DE NORONHA, Brazil -- Military planes located more debris from an Air France jet on Wednesday as the first navy ship arrived at the scene in the mid-Atlantic. But high seas and heavy winds slowed the recovery effort and delayed the arrival of crucial deep-water submersibles. Search vessels from several nations pushed toward the floating debris, including a 23-foot (seven-meter) chunk of plane and a 12-mile-long (20-kilometer-long) oil slick that Brazilian pilots spotted from the air.

Link: Heavy seas hamper recovery of Flight 447 debris - World AP - MiamiHerald.com

**dirtydog** · 04-06-2009, 07:12 AM

**dirtydog** · 04-06-2009, 07:14 AM

remote control Japanese deep-sea submarine that sampled bacteria from the ocean floor of the Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench, the deepest location in the world. On March 2, 1996, Kaikō reached a depth of 10,897 m, marking the deepest dive for an unmanned submersible on record (the Bathyscaphe Trieste still holds the record for deepest dive, made in 1960).

**MustavaMond** · 04-06-2009, 11:14 AM

Pilots on PPRuNe
Air France A330-200 missing - Page 42 - PPRuNe Forums
are arguing about the last message regarding electrical problems , whether it was an auto message to Air France company, ( sort of like a computer reporting back error messages s to the manufacturer) or a attempt at bono fide report to a tracking station.
It's also being suggested Main Stream Media put out misleading info ( no surprise there..) on a possible lightening strike as there is one post claiming no lightening was within 150 miles .

**Thai Pom** · 04-06-2009, 11:30 AM

The A330 ( as do most modern aircraft ) has a box called ACARS ('Aircraft Communication Addressing and Reporting System' ) or the Airbus ATSU .It is basically a unit that receives aircraft parameters from all of the systems on the aircraft. It actually gets more fed into it that the FDR, if memory serves me it is 3760 on a 330. The airlines load a customised database into the unit. This database tells the ACARs to send out certain reports of parameters at certain intervals. Most of these reports are standard ie. "take off" , "position", "top of climb" etc. You can have fun during the training though, one report we had to generate was, "report when the toilet was flushed when the fasten seat belt sign was illuminated" These messages are sent to ground stations via VHF, HF or Satcomm and then channelled to various addresses within the Airlines Organisation.

**Thai Pom** · 04-06-2009, 11:56 AM

I should have stated above. This system needs NO pilot inputs, it is fully automatic. The pilots would not even know the reports are being sent or what they contain.

**Thetyim** · 04-06-2009, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Thai Pom

This system needs NO pilot inputs

I would hate to think that the pilots were monitoring toilet usage whilst landing the plane

**shaggersback** · 04-06-2009, 03:16 PM

[quote=panama hat;1073274][quote=shaggersback;1073083]

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Bobcock

3,000 and 7,000 kilometres deep

10,911 metres , Mariana Trench (between Japan and PNG) Around 11 kilometres deep and the deepest part of any ocean.

3000 - 7000 k deep ? If it were the case the black box would be easier to retrieve from Mars.

Do you like repeating what's been written before? I have highlighted the relevant part of my post just for you.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Now that is deep

Indeed . . . perhaps metres should be used instead of kilometres . . .

Just for u PH.
Incase u need it repeated once more .

**Bobcock** · 04-06-2009, 03:22 PM

I didn't make the first quote credited to me there.

**S Landreth** · 05-06-2009, 02:06 AM

Brazil recovers first Air France Flight 447 debris

FERNANDO DE NORONHA, Brazil -- A Brazilian helicopter crew recovered the first wreckage from Air France Flight 447 on Thursday, pulling a cargo pallet from the sea. No sign of human remains have been spotted, and Air France has told families that the jetliner broke apart, killing all 228 people on board.

Link: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/world/AP/story/1081125.html

**jandajoy** · 05-06-2009, 07:49 AM

Air France jet was flying 'too slowly'

Posted 11 hours 31 minutes ago
Updated 11 hours 12 minutes ago

Newspaper reports say signals from the stricken Air France jet showed it rapidly lost its key flight functions.

The Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on Monday was flying too slowly ahead of the disaster, French newspaper Le Monde said on Thursday, citing sources close to the inquiry.
The paper said the manufacturer of the doomed plane, Airbus, was set to issue a recommendation advising companies using the A330 aircraft of optimal speeds during poor weather conditions.
Airbus declined to comment on the report and the French air accident investigation agency, which has to validate any such recommendations, known as an Aircraft Information Telex, was not immediately available for comment.
In other reports, a Spanish newspaper said a transatlantic airline pilot reported seeing a bright flash of white light at the same time the Air France flight disappeared.
"Suddenly we saw in the distance a strong, intense flash of white light that took a downward, vertical trajectory and disappeared in six seconds," the pilot of an Air Comet flight from Lima to Madrid told his company, the El Mundo newspaper reported.
"We did not hear any communication on any emergency or air-to-air frequency, either before or after this event."
A spokesman for the Madrid-based airline was not available to confirm the El Mundo article, which cited a report the pilot submitted to his company.
The Air France A330-200 was enroute from Rio de Janeiro to Paris when it splintered over the Atlantic four hours into its flight. All 228 people on board died.
The plane sent no mayday signals before crashing, only automatic messages showing electrical faults and a loss of pressure shortly after it entered a zone of stormy weather.
Final messages

Portuguese newspaper Estado de Sao Paulo, citing a source close to Air France, published what it said was the final sequence of messages, showing how the plane rapidly lost its key flight functions.
It said they began at 2:10am (GMT) showing the automatic pilot had been removed. The same minute there were multiple electricity failures.
At 2:14am a final message was sent showing the plane was plunging towards the sea.
There was no confirmation of this from Air France.
Search crews flying over the Atlantic have found debris from the jet spread over more than 90 kilometres of ocean, about 1,100 kilometres north-east of the Brazilian coast.
Brazilian Defence Minister Nelson Jobim has said the existence of large fuel stains in the water likely ruled out an explosion, undercutting speculation about a bomb attack.
Experts have speculated that extreme turbulence or decompression during stormy weather might have caused the disaster - the worst in Air France's 75-year history.
-Reuters

Air France jet was flying 'too slowly' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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