Thread: Are You Scared Yet? North Korea

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Trouble is Loy toy that North Korea is posturing, re -we will attack if our demands are not met, though they have never stated that is their intention

But given the statements from NK, how do we know!

Iran is building up a scenario of Nuclear Weapons, given what mydinnerjacket has said about the destruction of Israel, will he use them

Main point can they deliver them,

^ I fully understand what your saying but these so-called "Clear and Present Danger" threat countries have been posturing for years and as history has shown.

I do not believe in my life-time I will see a payload of nucleur weapons delivered in anger but I am concerned about the future generations predicament.

The World, including missile burning SKoreans, are outraged.

North Korea defies world with Hiroshima-size nuclear device


Protesters in Seoul, South Korea, burn a mock up of a North Korean missile and portraits of its leader, Kim Jong-il, and demand sanctions on their communist neighbour.


The UN security council will begin behind-the-scenes negotiations today designed to strengthen sanctions against North Korea after the communist state appeared to have successfully tested a nuclear weapon as powerful as the one that destroyed Hiroshima.

With the 15-member council called to an ­emergency session last night, ­diplomats scrambled to forge a unified front against the test which was seen as a provocative step towards North Korea gaining a full nuclear arsenal.
Early this morning it was reported that North Korea is ready to test another missile. Yonhap news agency quoted a South Korean official as saying that North Korea will fire another short-range missile off its west coast either later today or on Wednesday.

Barack Obama spoke at the White House, denouncing North Korea's action as "a blatant violation of international law". He said North Korea "will not find security and respect through threats and illegal weapons".
Japan, which considers itself high on Pyongyang's potential hit list, said it would seek a fresh UN resolution condemning the test.
Gordon Brown described the test as "erroneous, misguided and a danger to the world".

Closed door talks at the UN security council in New York produced no fresh ­initiative last night beyond a statement condemning the test. But there were signs that several members were prepared to press for tightened sanctions when the hard work begins today seeking a resolution that would be acceptable to all parties.

Susan Rice, the US ambassador to the UN, made clear she would urging fresh punitive moves, saying the US would seek "a strong resolution with strong measures"."All eyes will now be turning to China, North Korea's biggest ally, which has in the past been wary to tighten the screw on its neighbour. Despite its cautious stance, Beijing said it "resolutely opposed" the test and urged Pyongyang to avoid actions that would sharpen tensions and to return to six-party disarmament talks.

Early yesterday South Korea said it had detected a tremor consistent with those caused by an underground nuclear explosion. The country's Yonhap news agency reported that North Korea also test-fired three short-range missiles from a base on the east coast immediately after the nuclear test. The underground atomic explosion, at 9.54am local time (0154 BST), created an earthquake measuring magnitude 4.5 in Kilju county in the country's north-east, reports said.
Russian defence experts estimated the explosion's yield at between 10 and 20 -kilotons, many times more than the 1 kiloton measured in its first nuclear test in 2006 and about as powerful as the bombs the US used against Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of the second world war. One kiloton is equal to the force produced by 1,000 tonnes of TNT.

The force of the blast made the ground tremble in the Chinese border city of Yanji, 130 miles away.
North Korea had warned of a second nuclear test after the UN condemned its ballistic missile test on 5 April and agreed to tighten sanctions put in place in 2006.
Pyongyang said it had put a communications satellite in orbit, but experts said the technology and methods were identical to those used to launch the long-range Taepodong-2 missile.
After the UN refused to apologise for condemning the launch, North Korea expelled international inspectors, ­threatened to restart its Yongbyon nuclear reactor – which it had agreed to start dismantling in 2007 – and walked away from the six-party nuclear talks.

The KNCA news agency, the regime's official mouthpiece, said yesterday: "We have successfully conducted another nuclear test on 25 May as part of the ­republic's measures to strengthen its nuclear deterrent."
The agency added the test had been "safely conducted on a new higher level in terms of its explosive power and ­technology of its control. The test will contribute to defending the sovereignty of the country and the nation and ­socialism and ensuring peace and security on the Korean peninsula and the region."
Yesterday's test will add to fears that North Korea is moving closer to ­possessing the ability to put a nuclear warhead on long-range missiles that are capable, in theory, of reaching Hawaii and Alaska.
Analysts believe the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, hopes to use the test to shore up support from the military amid speculation that he is about to name one of his three sons as his successor.
Kim, 67, appears to be re-­establishing his grip on power since reportedly ­suffering a stroke last August.
North Korea defies world with Hiroshima-size nuclear device | World news | The Guardian

sorry can't trust N Korea.
IMO
scarred-No
worried-Yes
wouldn't want to go and live in S Korea

I'm just glad I'm outta here sooner than later G2bh. It is really something to see SK's acting like this, because I've never seen it. Usually SK's when asked about NK will say they feel powerless, or they don't know what to do. Some children when I ask them to point out Korea on a map, will only circle SK, and exclude NK, and others will circle all of Korea. How sad..because there have been so many talks about uniting and peace being restored for many years.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Am I scared yet?

Not in the least and with regard to North Korea, Israel, Iran, Pakistan or in fact any other nation proliferating their nucleur weapon arsenal. History has shown that countries have always needed to keep abreast with the same weapons their potential enermies have and in my opinion that is fair play. What we are seeing is an unfair dictatorship whereby the more powerful countries are condeming some countries but turn a blind eye to others which I think is blatant hypocricy.

I am more concerned for the next generations and when this world becomes too small for all of us (well I won't be here) to live on.

Seems like N. Korea and Iran have been rattling sabres recently, maybe as they perceive the Obama admin's foreign policy is dithering and weak..?

A return to the days of Jimmy Carter, even?

iran is a major oil producer
and a regional power

North Korea 'fires more missiles'

09:20 GMT, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 10:20 UK


North Korea has fired two more missiles, hours after the UN Security Council unanimously condemned its nuclear test, South Korean reports say.

The communist state fired two short-range missiles off an east coast base, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported, citing an official.

The move came as UN diplomats began work on a resolution to punish North Korea for its underground nuclear test.

Diplomats said they were seeking "tough measures", including further sanctions.
At least three missile tests accompanied Monday's nuclear test. Those on Tuesday involved one ground-to-ship missile and one ground-to-air missile, Yonhap said.

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They are Ballistic Missiles so the range is limited , to the immediate Asian countries.

Second point being that the Nuclear weapons are WW2 in their capability (still cause a lot of deaths though

Third point , can they physically get the weapons onto those missiles, are they deployable

Originally Posted by TSR2

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Trouble is Loy toy that North Korea is posturing, re -we will attack if our demands are not met, though they have never stated that is their intention

But given the statements from NK, how do we know!

Iran is building up a scenario of Nuclear Weapons, given what mydinnerjacket has said about the destruction of Israel, will he use them

Main point can they deliver them,

So can a dozen other countries.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

So can a dozen other countries.

Dozen? maybe

How many of the "dozen" are threatening/posturing then/

Unfortunately, most don't recognize whom the real boggiemen might be.

N Korea 'fires another missile'

00:52 GMT, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 01:52 UK

North Korea is reported to have fired another missile, despite US warnings it would "pay a price" for nuclear and missile tests in recent days.

The launch of the missile coincides with efforts to secure a UN Security Council resolution condemning the country's nuclear programme.

Washington says it is seeking a "quick and unified response" to the tests.
Earlier on Tuesday North Korea conducted an underground nuclear test and fired two short-range missiles.

The Yonhap news agency said the short-range missile was fired off North Korea's east coast, citing an unnamed South Korean government source.

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Kinda like their fiestiness.....

Fact is the genie's out of the bottle. Matter of time before someone plants a nuke somewhere for their twisted beliefs.

You might have 10,000 nukes but how do you retaliate against stateless nutjobs?

Originally Posted by TSR2

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

So can a dozen other countries.

Dozen? maybe

How many of the "dozen" are threatening/posturing then/

Let's start with the U.S. Historically, the definitive terrorist state.

I thought there were only 8 countries with nuclear war capabilities
But as the number increases the risk of getting into the "wrong" hands increases

North Korea threatens military action
08:36 GMT, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 09:36 UK

North Korea says it has abandoned the truce that ended the Korean war, amid rising tension in the region.

It blamed its decision on South Korea joining a US-led initiative to search ships for nuclear weapons.

It said the South's actions were a "declaration of war", and pledged to attack if its ships were stopped.

The move is part of an increasingly hard line being taken by North Korea, and comes two days after it conducted an underground nuclear test.

Meanwhile, South Korean news reports say that steam has been seen coming from a plant at the North's main nuclear facility, a sign that it has made good on its threat to restart efforts to make weapons-grade plutonium.

The United Nations Security Council is working on a strong resolution condemning North Korea's actions, including possible punitive measures.


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^Think the Chinese would back them this time around?

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

One day mankind will blow up the entire planet.

Link..?

The Obama administration is pursuing the correct strategy in ignoring North Korean sabre-rattling. NK is only a threat to its own people.

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

Link..?

Dr. Strangelove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^^ yep, I agree. I think it would be a mistake to go down the road of yet another load of international bribes, otoh we have to accept that NK is now nuclear armed. Ignore them, let them stew in their own juice.

Let the Chinese carry the brunt of this one- they face the biggest problem in the case of armed conflict anyway, well except for Seoul.

What about their shipping...leave it unchecked? I think not!