Thread: India - Kolkata couple invents fuel-less, battery-less auto engine

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Great I have found a picture.
The worlds first 60,000 HP bicycle.
Who wants to ride it first

yeah I saw that picture and noticed the training wheels too..

but additionally that story said his test rider was concerned with how fast it went at first so maybe it is producing 60,000hp..

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

yeah I saw that picture and noticed the training wheels too..

Pity the picture is so small
Looks like an electric motor on the left hand side that drives the chain

The "engine" is probably the white box on the back which is heavy and hence the need for the trainer wheels for extra support when the thing is stationary

My comments in yellow.

Originally Posted by Panda

Heres a link to the only other article I could find on the subject. Its dated 2007 which would seem to exclude a hoax.
The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Young inventors test energy saving engine

It says --"They carried out a research for three to four years before concluding that a “chemical reaction with pure oxygen” causes Q energy to run a dynamo."
They are talking about a Zinc-Oxygen Fuel Cell that will supply electrical power to a motor (uses electricity).
A "dynamo" is something that generates electricity (D.C.), so this statement, "causes Q energy to run a dynamo", does not seem correct. The only thing that can "run a dynamo" is a moving force i.e. a rotating wheel.



"“The motor created by us has a power range of 40-50MW, good enough to meet the needs of a four-wheeler,” explained Lipika."
This is very interesting since motors do not have such large power ranges (40 Megawatts to 50 Megawatts). Also, a "four wheeler" (car) typically has a motor that supplies only about 80 to 200 Horse Power (about 60kW to about 150kW..& this is not even Brake Horse Power). I find it hard to believe that one motor can supply 40 million to 50 million Watts.


Clearly, there is "spin" in this story. From any point of view, what they have done is what has already been done (but not advertised). They have used a Zinc-Oxygen Fuel Cell to power an electric motor.



They seem to be stressing the eco-friendly aspect without mentioning econemy.

Originally Posted by Thetyim

"It is based on the law of interconvertible energy i.e. total energy in an isolated system is conserved."

Having some knowledge on the subject - there is no such thing as "the law of interconvertible energy". Furthermore, you cannot "isolate" energy. Sounds like a bunch of chang manure to me.

Originally Posted by Thetyim

This production of electricity is actually inter conversion of mechanical energy

And yet another statement that sounds like BS that contradicts itself.

so I guess fact checking before actually posting up an article is a no go in India then? but what with the patent and Ford's involvement? it seems that somewhere along the way this should have been called yes? or are you suggesting they are misrepresenting all of that as well? that would make it all quite fraudulent..

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

but what with the patent and Ford's involvement?

It is quite common for large famous corporations to fund crazy ideas just in case they succeed.
I can remember watching a hilarious programme about an aircraft designer who had received three developement grants from the US government.
The guy was a complete crack pot with no chance of success but used to turn up at airshows wearing his flight suit and bragging about his US government backing.
His best mate was the test pilot, his flight suit had 'test pilot' written in large letters but he had never flown anything in his life.

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

but what with the patent and Ford's involvement?

It is quite common for large famous corporations to fund crazy ideas just in case they succeed.
I can remember watching a hilarious programme about an aircraft designer who had received three developement grants from the US government.
The guy was a complete crack pot with no chance of success but used to turn up at airshows wearing his flight suit and bragging about his US government backing.
His best mate was the test pilot, his flight suit had 'test pilot' written in large letters but he had never flown anything in his life.

fok how does one do that? I currently have at least 7 or 8 viable product ideas and many models to prove their worthiness and can't even get any companies to honor their own rules of disclosure they have set down on their websites for presentation. I just sent a non-disclosure form to an American company that I had downloaded from their website and after paying for it to be EMS'd and a self addressed stamped envelope to return my copy I got no response..
So I spent more money to call the pricks just to find out the address on the site was not only incorrect but that their entire policy had been changed and they no longer accept disclosures without a patent, feckers..

Now I'm going around with them and I'm just pissed they wasted my time and precious money and won't even review it sight unseen as it wasn't cheap to send this thing EMS over there, the next day after complaining by phone the kunt hung up the phone on me and then the web page was wiped but little do they know yet that I figured they'd do that so I took a snap shot of the web page and printed it up, pricks!

it always amazes me how someone else fecks up and then when you call them on it they try to turn the tables on you to paint you out to be the prick, nothing galls me more..

it's a small item but a clearly useful product with a large world wide market for travelers and even for home it has hundreds of uses over and above it's primary suggested use and would have fit perfectly in their line of products without much difficulty..

I already did a thorough patent search and there is nothing listed like it nor have I ever seen anything like it in my years of travel..

I've tried to contact numerous companies for numerous products all to no avail..not even able to get to square one in most cases so it isn't even the product that is the issue..

Originally Posted by Thetyim

The guy was a complete crack pot with no chance of success but used to turn up at airshows wearing his flight suit and bragging about his US government backing.

Was his outfit called "Driving Force"?

Large corporations have people who search patent applications , full time, and if they find a patent applied for by an ex employee, and the patent applied for is vaguely associated with the ex enployees role when he worked for them, then the legal department start firing their big guns and quash it.
Their stance is that the knowledge required to invent such an item was as a result of the knowledge gained whilst working for them and they had the rights to it !!

An Example

A certain US manufacturer of large yellow earthmoving machines had a field development engineer working on Diesel Engines and Hydraulic sytems for 15 + years.
He then moved on to a British company in the same field - they had the "Spirit of Extasy " as their trademark and also made posh cars.
He came up with an idea for a specialised miniature hydraulic control valve for controlling engine speed governors and made a couple.
The company advised him to patent it and they would buy the rights to it - all very British and decent.
The yellow ones found out and sent out injunctions, dire legal warnings etc .
He told the "Spirit of Extasy" and she was mightly pissed off!
She then took over the problem and within 3 months the yellow ones crawled back into their crysalis.
The patent was in the ladies name but , as there was only one unit in a certain type of "Limited Edition" military vehicle and the production run was in the low hundreds- the engineer was happy to take a VERY generous lump sum from the lady + the cost of making the prototypes

( I took my kids on a holiday to Disneyland in the States( from UK) bought a new car and even had my ex-wifes kitchen rebuilt!!)

But Yes - big corporations have got any invention stitched up if they see an opportunity - and also block anything that may infringe on their interests .

Does anyone remember Steorn?

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