Thread: The Failure of Multiculturalism

A man and a woman walk into an adoption agency and say they would like to give a child a home. 'We don't want a black one, one that's from a poor background, or some kid who hasn't been educated properly', they tell the social workers.

Shocking?

Certainly.

Disgracefully narrow-minded and racist?

You bet.

Unless you are deling with the rude, patronising, costly, dumb, demoralising & downright discriminatory people that make up the Social Services.

All that Gavin and Teresa had to offer a child was financial security, kindness, consistency, fun, stimulation, a spacious home & a strong network of relatives & friends. As they soon discovered, none of that counts. If, like them, you are white and earn a decent living, then the adoption authorities put you at the bottom of the pile - never mind that there are 80,000 youngsters in desperate need of a home.

Never mind that boys and girls, whatever their race, might be grateful to have a mum and dad, even ones with the appalling handicap of being white people living in a nice house. Social Services made it clear that they were the wrong ethnic background, even to adopt kids who were only a quarter Caribbean or wholly Irish.

In an adoption magazine, they saw the same small heartbreaking faces advertised again & again, but their inquiries were ignored.

One Social Services director said he would 'rather a black child be brought up in the care system than in a white family'

You can bet that if that prejudice was expressed the other way round, the offender would end up in court on a charge of racial hatred.

Even the most feeble excuse for a social worker must be aware of the long-term cost to our society of unloved children. A huge proportion of them end up without qualifications, on drugs or on the streets. A staggering third of Britain's homeless people were raised in care.

Yet the adoption system, poisoned by an extremist interpretation of multiculturalism & an outdated class resentment, prefers to keep needy kids away from nice couples, who at least have a chance of making a better life for them.

In frustration and despair, Gavin and Teresa ended up adopting a beautiful baby from China.



Bo Allen is a lucky little girl.

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

One Social Services director said he would 'rather a black child be brought up in the care system than in a white family' You can bet that if that prejudice was expressed the other way round, the offender would end up in court on a charge of racial hatred.

This was really said?

I imagine they would be on a charge regardless.

Or is this another daily mail made up story?

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

A man and a woman walk into an adoption agency and say they would like to give a child a home. 'We don't want a black one, one that's from a poor background, or some kid who hasn't been educated properly', they tell the social workers.

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load of crap

if anyone actually said that, they would hardly be considered as a good prospect as adoptive parents

never mind the fact that 98% of the kids would fall into those categories, especially the uneducated 2 year olds

Originally Posted by kingwilly

This was really said

Yes.

load of crap

You don't say

Grab yourself a coffee & re-read the whole thing.

Can we not have this turn into a load of fucking trolls bashing away because they've nothing constructive to add please?

People here are sick of it.

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

Can we not have this turn into a load of fucking trolls bashing away because they've nothing constructive to add please?

does 'nothing constructive to add' actually mean 'does not agree with me' ?

Here we go

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

Here we go

I made a perfectly legitiment post, and you complain about it and call it a troll.

You are the troll refusing to answer a question that you cannot.

Can we stick to the topic rather than turn this into a debate about whether you have a valid point?

Your constant me me me me me bollocks is boring the shit out of everybody.

Alex, thanks for starting this thread. It's a very serious issue because children in need are being denied a decent future by low grade, inadequately trained and inexperienced civil servants.

Some years ago, when having a mid-week pub lunch, I found myself sitting close to a group of women talking over beer and files. They were social workers discussing clients by name in a public place.

Despite all the cases where the UK social services have been found wanting when child murders have been examined, I see no improvement in the quality of their work or decisions.

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

Originally Posted by kingwilly

This was really said

Yes.

How would you know, do you believe everything you read in the "Daily Mail"?

Someone of your intelligence should realise without help, that this opinion piece contains no referenced factual information at all.

Where did this report come from?

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

Yet the adoption system, poisoned by an extremist interpretation of multiculturalism & an outdated class resentment, prefers to keep needy kids away from nice couples, who at least have a chance of making a better life for them.

That seems to put it nicely. The UK has gone Bonkers.

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

^

The Mail.

How would you know

How would you know it wasn't?

I don't.
But then I do not claim to know whether it was said or not.
I just pointed out that there is no mention of where, when, or by whom it was allegedly said, nor does the article offer any kind of tangible background info.

Does every thread I start have to turn into an attack on me personally, or what newspaper I read? Just because it's not in the Guardian, it doesn't mean some of here wouldn't like to discuss it.

And only comments which agree with the OP are welcome?

Originally Posted by stroller

I just pointed out that there is no mention of where, when, or by whom it was allegedly said

What do you call this?

One Social Services director said

What do you want, names & dates?

The thread is about kids being left to rot, not specifically who said what.

Why pick out that one specific thing & completely ignore the plight of 80,000 children?

You're a horrible man sometimes.

any kind of tangible background info

What do you want background info for? We're not discussing the past, we're discussing what's happening now.

In fact, we're not discussing anything - this whole thread had decended into the usual trolls giving it large because they think they're great & me telling you to leave it alone out of respect (of which you have demonstrated none).

only comments which agree with the OP are welcome?

Comments related to the OP would be enough, instead of bouncing up & down screaming for specifics.

Bollocks to what's happening to these kids when there's a chance to make yourself look good amongst your peers, eh?

Well done - you must be real proud.

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

Why pick out that one specific thing & completely ignore the plight of 80,000 children?

There are no details as to what the nature of this "plight" is, other than an emotional appael to the reader, condemning the PC social services.
And the 80,000 children are not pleeding anything here.

I am not that easily manipulated.

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

You're a horrible man sometimes.

How would that be so? Should I paint my face black and offer to adopt a child on the basis of this article, or go and join you in burning down the nearest adopting agency?

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

What do you want background info for? We're not discussing the past, we're discussing what's happening now.

Background information about the present which goes beyond the partisan meandering of the author's claims.

Are you really that thick or pretending for the sake of argument?

The point is that people don't go into these agencies saying 'We don't want a black one, one that's from a poor background, or some kid who hasn't been educated properly'

This is only about the agency staff.

Anyways have you noticed that not a word has been spoken at the food summit on the issue of overpopulation and reducing population as a possible solution. most of these kids should never have been born. That's the real problem. Whatever.

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

The thread is about kids being left to rot

That's a strange topic title you chose if this is what you want to discuss, don't you think?

^

About black kids being left to rot then, arsehole.

Originally Posted by stroller

There are no details as to what the nature of this "plight" is

The plight is that black kids are being left to rot in care rather than be placed with a white family. This was clearly the whole point of the article & statements like that are just moronic - showing us a glimpse of the real you.

the 80,000 children are not pleeding anything here

Not really in a position to, are they? They are the silent victims in all this. It takes the likes of the so-called 'vile' Mail readers to care about them while you Guardianistas sit lording it over the poors souls.

I am not that easily manipulated

But you know I am, so have embarked on this crusade of making me look a fool (as is your custom) to fulfil your own pathetic agenda rather than let people discuss the thread who want to talk about it.

Your posts are pure pollution & you are a disgrace to humanity.

Morden commented

It's a very serious issue because children in need are being denied a decent future

Which you obviously care nothing about, so why don't you leave this thread for people who do?

You bitter old bastard.

Alex,
I'm not out to criticise you or your motives. I think that they're laudable.
But,
1. The article isn't accredited.

2. Various statements quoted seem outlandish.

3. If a serving social worker had made such statements they would no longer be serving.

4. Where did the family get the "Chinese" kid?

5. Whilst there is an arguement for placing kids in their own "cultural" setting it has, in the last few years become less of an issue.

6. I think your point is entirely valid. I'm not arguing with you.I think your motives are good. It's just that things need to be factual.

Anything to do with kids is media magic. They love it. If they can combine kids and sex, a winner. Kids, sex and alcohol, a blinder. Include teachers = front page.
And so it goes on in this sad, sad world we've created.

But stay in there. I applaud you for your stance.


It's a difficult issue which sells lots of papers and we need to be wary of the Murdochian, marauders who run our media. "It's not the story, it's the money it generates".

Cheers

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

I am not that easily manipulated

But you know I am, so have embarked on this crusade of making me look a fool (as is your custom) to fulfil your own pathetic agenda

Don't put the blame on Stroller, you achieved that all by yourself.

Here come the back-slappers

Have you anything to say about the OP, Fabian?

I suspect not.

Originally Posted by jandajoy

The article isn't accredited

It's come from the 'parents' - who were there.

statements quoted seem outlandish

Doesn't make them untrue.

If a serving social worker had made such statements they would no longer be serving

This isn't the first time something like this has been said - I'll dig up a link.

Where did the family get the "Chinese" kid

I'll stick my neck out on this one - China?

it has, in the last few years become less of an issue

No it hasn't - they're busy banging on about gay adoption nowadays, that's all.

It's just that things need to be factual

These are facts - just because none of us were there doesn't make them untrue.

Anything to do with kids is media magic

This article is buried within the pages - nobody has bought this paper on the back of this article.

adoption agencies in London say they're looking for more families - predominantly they mean black families

BBC - London - Faith - Black families and adoption - the debate.