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Originally Posted by BobR

This system could be useful for another purpose the airlines would not like; enter the most repulsive disgusting seatmate from hell description you can think of, intentionally, thus assuring an empty seat next to you which makes it easier to sleep, especially in economy.

Cunning plan!

BANGKOK AIRWAYS ACCIDENT 12-17-11

Accident: Bangkok AT72 at Koh Samui on Dec 17th 2011, fell into a ditch while taxiing

By Simon Hradecky, created Saturday, Dec 17th 2011 17:57Z, last updated Saturday, Dec 17th 2011 17:57Z
A Bangkok Airways Avion de Transport Regional ATR-72-500, registration HS-PGA performing flight PG-178 from Koh Samui to Bangkok (Thailand) with 38 passengers and 4 crew, was taxiing on the apron for departure at around 18:50L (11:50Z) when the aircraft went off paved surface, impacted an earth wall and went down into a ditch with its nose. No injuries occurred, the aircraft received substantial damage to its nose and nose gear.

The airline said, the aircraft did not respond to pilot control inputs while taxiing.

The flight was cancelled, the passengers were rebooked onto the next flight and were all taken to Bangkok.

Originally Posted by BobR

The airline said, the aircraft did not respond to pilot control inputs while taxiing.

The airline can say what they like... This looks like a simple pilot error. Any pilots out there (especially ones of experience of these planes) like to expand and offer knowledgeable explanation?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by BobR

The airline said, the aircraft did not respond to pilot control inputs while taxiing.

The airline can say what they like... This looks like a simple pilot error. Any pilots out there (especially ones of experience of these planes) like to expand and offer knowledgeable explanation?

Whether it was pilot error or mechanical failure, just be grateful it never got off the ground!

So there was a problem he had no steerage and seems like no brakes also and he couldn,t stop the aircraft going into the ditch.

Pilot error anyway.

Mickey Mouse Airlines!!!!

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by BobR

The airline said, the aircraft did not respond to pilot control inputs while taxiing.

The airline can say what they like... This looks like a simple pilot error. Any pilots out there (especially ones of experience of these planes) like to expand and offer knowledgeable explanation?

I flew Cessnas and Mooneys in California where the Santa Ana winds are very bad at times, and those planes can be a bitch to control in a taxi if the wind is gusting, but with this many passengers I would think this plane would be heavy enough to be more stable.

^ fair point, but pilot error or mechanical problem?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ fair point, but pilot error or mechanical problem?

Being Thailand, we'll probably never know.

^ I thought I saw a documentary once where this manufacturer always send investigation teams to any accident involving their products and later release a report; it'll be interesting to see how close their report is to the Thais' version...

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

So there was a problem he had no steerage and seems like no brakes also and he couldn,t stop the aircraft going into the ditch.

Pilot error anyway.

Mickey Mouse Airlines!!!!

Hardly pilot error if all control of the aircraft was lost due to mechanical failure (which I doubt).

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Harry I understand no steerage possibly due to hydraulic failure. Brakes as well ???? nah Methinks the flight crew maybe fucked this up.

If you can,t steer it you should be able to stop it.

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Harry
Have you ever notice with Qatar or Emirates after you push back from the gate the first thing that happens when after the pilot increases the engine power to taxi he brakes and stops the aircraft. This is part of a the airlines SOP,S to make sure that the hydraulic system to the brakes is working.

1 confirmed death in Bangkok Airways crash

• Published: 4/08/2009 at 03:16 PM
• Online news: Transport

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A Bangkok Airways plane skidded off the runway and crashed at Samui airport on Tuesday afternoon, killing a pilot and injuring six other people.
Flight PG 266 crashed in severe weather on arriving at the resort island in Surat Thani about 2pm from Krabi province.
The plane reportedly skidded off the runway and collided with an old control tower as the captain attemped to land at Samui airport.
Relate Search: aircrash, samui, bangkok airways, runway, accident, passengers, injured, death

1 confirmed death in Bangkok Airways crash

• Published:4/08/2009 at 03:16 PM
• Online news: Transport

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A Bangkok Airways plane skidded off the runway and crashed at Samui airport on Tuesday afternoon, killing a pilot and injuring six other people.
Flight PG 266 crashed in severe weather on arriving at the resort island in Surat Thani about 2pm from Krabi province.
The plane reportedly skidded off the runway and collided with an old control tower as the captain attemped to land at Samui airport.
Relate Search: aircrash, samui, bangkok airways, runway, accident, passengers, injured, death

Sorry about the double post!!!

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

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Harry
Have you ever notice with Qatar or Emirates after you push back from the gate the first thing that happens when after the pilot increases the engine power to taxi he brakes and stops the aircraft. This is part of a the airlines SOP,S to make sure that the hydraulic system to the brakes is working.

Can you read again, douchebag?

Hardly pilot error if all control of the aircraft was lost due to mechanical failure (which I doubt).

I think Bangkok Airways employs farang pilots as well as Thai - unlike THAI that employs only Thai pilots. So really, given THAI doesn't have many problems, I think this might be just bad luck.

Bad Luck!!!!!

I am not keen on flying with airlines that rely on luck to get you safely from A to B. I would much rather fly with airlines that employ professional pilots who believe that they have a "duty of care for their passengers"

Two accidents at the same airport in the space of three years is two accidents to many as far as I am concerned. I am not bashing Thai Pilots either I dont care where the pilots came from. Indonesia, Korea, Eastern Europe, lets just wait and see if there is an investigation or not, however knowing Thailand a cover up will be the order of the day.

Same as One to Go...... Its all about Money and who you know Hi-So.

Here is a summary of accident and incidents for Bangkok Airways. All incidents are prop driven aircraft..

• On 7 December 1987, Sahakol Air Hawker Siddeley HS 748 Series 2A (registration HS-THH), was damaged beyond repair after it overran the runway on landing at Udon Thani Airport (UTH) with no fatalities.[7]
• On 21 November 1990, Bangkok Airways flight 125 de Havilland Canada DHC-8-103 crashed on Koh Samui while attempting to land in heavy rain and high winds. All 38 people on board perished.[8]
• On 4 August 2009, Bangkok Airways Flight 266, operated by an ATR-72 between Krabi and Koh Samui skidded off the runway, killing one of the pilots. The 68 passengers were evacuated.[9] Of the passengers evacuated, 6 sustained serious injuries while another 4 were treated for minor injuries.[10]
• This last one, aircraft in a ditch at Koh Samui. No injuries reported.

How about One-Two-Go? A jet, how about, Silk Air crash, a jet.. I'd agree though that prop aircraft are more prone to accidents. Lighter weight? Uneven thrust?

Myanmar Opens Airport In New Capital
December 19, 2011

Myanmar opened a new international airport in its capital Naypyitaw on Monday, with regional leaders the first to use the new facility that will handle up to 65,000 flights per year.

Naypyitaw International Airport will be Myanmar's third international facility after Mandalay and the commercial capital Yangon.

The airport was developed by Burmese construction company Asia World with technical assistance from Singapore engineering firm CPG. Government sources said China provided financial assistance for the project, the cost of which has not been disclosed.

It was opened to coincide with the staging in the city from Tuesday, of the fourth summit of the Greater Mekong Subregion, made up of Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand and China.

Construction began in April 2007, two years after the then military government announced it was switching the capital from Yangon to Naypyitaw, a city built in secret on a mountain plateau about 390 km (240 miles) further north.

According to the Transport Ministry, the airport has a 3.6 km runway, a control tower 69 metres high and 10 passenger boarding bridges and can take 50,000 to 65,000 flights annually.

The main airport in Yangon has a capacity of 2.7 million passengers a year.

news.airwise.com

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

How about One-Two-Go? A jet, how about, Silk Air crash, a jet.. I'd agree though that prop aircraft are more prone to accidents. Lighter weight? Uneven thrust?

One-two-Crash?

Oh there's a massive thread on that puppy.

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The One-two-crash as Harry states above is probably one of the most depressing air crash threads I have ever read.
Poor weather, low visibility, high winds, an Indonesian Captain who spent most of his time on the Flight Deck asleep. And a junior first officer not experienced enough to make the right decision on the flightdeck.
The choices that day were TOGA (to go around or divert to another airport)
Pilot flying did neither....