Thread: Airline News

A Crying Fukin Shame! Weather is never an issue, just don't fly! Let the People wait, they will understand. If the Avionic system is non-function different thread!
NFE!!!!!

I'm trying to find a westerner who took the dataplates from a Dakota DC 47 near Ongharak outside Bangkok.
The owner would like the dataplates back for the Dakota as the Dakota will be put in a musuem.

Originally Posted by jeepdodge

I'm trying to find a westerner who took the dataplates from a Dakota DC 47 near Ongharak outside Bangkok.
The owner would like the dataplates back for the Dakota as the Dakota will be put in a musuem.

Try The US, Maybe NC Mate. They scrouged all, many years ago!

Thanks, We know that it was only in the passed 3 years that the data plates were removed by a westerner living near Ongharak, so hopefully if the westerner is reading this forum, we would be very greatfull if he returned the Data plates.

I'd rather Fly on the 777 in background. If it's not Boeing I'm not going.
Well, I guess I'm not going.

Originally Posted by OhOh

China's first Airbus A380 airplane ordered by China Southern Airlines arrives at Beijing Capital international Airport in Beijing, capital of China, Oct. 15, 2011. A ceremony was held at the airport soon after the airplane's arrival on Saturday to launch the operation of the Airbus A380, and China Southern Airlines became the first operator of the A380 in the country. (Xinhua/Jing Lei)

Good candidate for the first A380 crash I'd say.

Originally Posted by IceSpike

I'd rather Fly on the 777 in background. If it's not Boeing I'm not going.
Well, I guess I'm not going.

Don't fly anywhere cold though.

Air temperature decreases by about 6.5ºC (43.7ºF) per kilometre. The upper limit, or tropopause, of the atmosphere or troposphere is reached at 10–12 kilometres (33,000–40,000 ft.), where the temperature is –56ºC (–70ºF).
It is cold everywhere you Fly!

Originally Posted by IceSpike

Air temperature decreases by about 6.5ºC (43.7ºF) per kilometre. The upper limit, or tropopause, of the atmosphere or troposphere is reached at 10–12 kilometres (33,000–40,000 ft.), where the temperature is –56ºC (–70ºF).
It is cold everywhere you Fly!

Then don't fly the 777 ... That's what brought that Boeing down!

Absolutely right fuel waxing as its called was the problem, abysmally cold weather on their track from Beijing to London. It was a Boeing 777-200LR very new they lost both engines on the approach to LHR.

If its Boeing I,m not going.....

Explains why Airbus are cleaning up at Boeing's expense.

A lack of Fuel dosen't make the Aircraft defective, would you drive anything without fuel? Zero Level fuel makes all aircraft Gliders, ScAreBus not even close to aircraft construction experience as Boeing. Airbus Airlines are hiring Pilot's with computer and UAV experience. (avianation.com)
No more "FLY BY THE SEAT OF YOUR PANT"S.

The ability to let the fuel freeze is a design defect, no? Especially when it leads to a downed aircraft (which it did).

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Good candidate for the first A380 crash I'd say.

You beat me to it.

Rolls Royce supplied the Trent engines for the BA 777, the Trent 800, and also the China Southern Airlines A380, albeit the Trent 900.

RR have also issued a revised operation procedure, along with a modified the fuel-oil heat exchanger (FOHE), which allegedly was the problem with the 777.

The wingy bits built by Boeings outsourced Brazilian suppliers played no part in the crash

Originally Posted by OhOh

Rolls Royce supplied the Trent engines for the BA 777, the Trent 800, and also the China Southern Airlines A380, albeit the Trent 900.

RR have also issued a revised operation procedure, along with a modified the fuel-oil heat exchanger (FOHE), which allegedly was the problem with the 777.

The wingy bits built by Boeings outsourced Brazilian suppliers played no part in the crash

Like I said, design fault it is then. What others are lurking?

Think uncommanded reverse thrust, cargo door latch, centre tank wiring, the list of identified Boeing design flaws goes on and on.

Who said anything about a lack of fuel on the BA 777-200.
1. It wasn,t a lack of fuel there was fuel in the tanks
2. It was fuel waxing where fuel goes from a liquid to a solid state preventing flow due to low temperatures at high level.
3. As I have already said there are issues with both aircraft companies and the reason that Airbus have better sales figures is that their aircraft include much newer technology.

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

Who said anything about a lack of fuel on the BA 777-200.
1. It wasn,t a lack of fuel there was fuel in the tanks
2. It was fuel waxing where fuel goes from a liquid to a solid state preventing flow due to low temperatures at high level.
3. As I have already said there are issues with both aircraft companies and the reason that Airbus have better sales figures is that their aircraft include much newer technology.

Or perhaps, more accurately, their aircraft are newer designs that don't incorporate the defects and workarounds that still exist in Boeing airframes.

And they're more fuel efficient (especially the A320 NEO).

arrives at Beijing Capital international Airport in Beijing, capital of China, Oct. 15, 2011.

Xinhua

From the department of redundancy department.

Loves ya xinhua...

The Airbus A-320 Neo will be the best selling short to medium range commercial jet the world has even known. You can forget the Boeing 737-100/200/300/400/500/800 and any other model, they are going to have completely redesign an engine pod that will fit under the wings of a 737 to compete with the A-320Neo.
Certainly nothing brfore 2015 as the 787 Production line will have all the priorities as its already three years late to its first customer ANA.

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

The Airbus A-320 Neo will be the best selling short to medium range commercial jet the world has even known. You can forget the Boeing 737-100/200/300/400/500/800 and any other model, they are going to have completely redesign an engine pod that will fit under the wings of a 737 to compete with the A-320Neo.
Certainly nothing brfore 2015 as the 787 Production line will have all the priorities as its already three years late to its first customer ANA.

Not to mention the amount of money it would cost to develop a new aircraft.

Boeing 787 Dreamliner makes maiden passenger flight after three-year delay

First commercial flight lands on time in Hong Kong, but doubts remain over plane's viability after troubled arrival on market

• Justin McCurry on board Flight NH7871
• guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 26 October 2011 12.30 BST <li class="history"> Article history
  
  The All Nippon Airways Boeing 787 Dreamliner lands in Hong Kong after its inaugural commercial flight from Japan. Photograph: Vincent Yu/AP
  
  
  
  
  
  After more than three years of delays, Boeing's long-awaited 787 Dreamliner arrived on schedule on Wednesday, touching down in Hong Kong at the end of a maiden commercial flight that some believe will usher in an era of fuel-efficient civil aviation and unprecedented passenger comfort.
  The All Nippon Airways (ANA) Flight NH7871 left Narita airport in Tokyo shortly after noon, arriving at its destination four hours and eight minutes later to be greeted by traditional dance and music, but also doubts about its viability. The charter flight will return to Japan on Thursday before the plane goes into proper commercial service on two domestic routes operated by ANA.
  The 264 passengers included scores of journalists, Boeing and ANA executives, amateur aviation enthusiasts, and a Florida couple who paid tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege of being aboard the first flight. Boeing officials say the aircraft, which is made of lightweight materials, is 20% more fuel-efficient than conventional airliners, 30% cheaper to maintain, and features design improvements for more comfortable medium- and long-haul flights.
  Scott Fancher, the head of the 787 programme, said the launch of the Dreamliner was a "game changer" for commercial aviation. "It sets a new standard in the design of commercial aircraft," he told reporters. "It is truly graceful, with an interior to complement this. The travelling public will soon get to experience it. We have designed a plane that will change the direction of commercial aviation."
  Fancher was speaking days after China Eastern Airlines cancelled an order for 24 Dreamliners, while Air New Zealand voiced concern over missed delivery deadlines and said it would seek compensation from Boeing. Design problems and production delays have left $16bn (£10bn) worth of hardware on Boeing assembly lines. The firm currently has orders for 821 Dreamliners, a 10th of them from Japan, which designed and built 35% of the aircraft's structure.
  Fancher refused to comment on the China Eastern Airlines decision, insisting: "Today is a day to celebrate the Dreamliner's first passenger flight." He said Boeing was comfortable with its production target of 10 aircraft a month by 2013, but added: "It is always a challenge to increase production, and our teams are executing those plans. If we get the plane out there, people will see its performance and economic benefits and the orders will come."
  ANA's chief executive, Shinichiro Ito, reiterated his commitment to the Dreamliner, while acknowledging that the wait for delivery had been "hard at times".
  The Japanese carrier expects to take delivery of 20 aircraft by the end of March 2013 and to launch its first long-haul service, between Tokyo and Frankfurt, by the end of the year. The first US airline to the fly the 787 will be United Continental, which plans to fly the plane between Houston and Auckland, New Zealand, starting in the second half of next year.
  Aviation experts say "hundreds" of 787s would already be in operation had it not been for a series of production glitches. The resulting delivery delays may have handed an advantage to Airbus, which is also eschewing big cuts in flight times to concentrate on lowering the cost of flying. Other analysts said the aircraft would thrive commercially, despite its troubled arrival on the market.
  "The long delays to the 787 programme have not changed our positive view of the aircraft," said Paul Sheridan, head of risk advisory at Ascend, a global aviation consultancy. "Airlines are, if anything, even more keen to get their hands on the aircraft. The advanced technology used in the 787 means that, in spite of the delays, it is still ahead of its time. The size and range of the aircraft offers airlines the ability to open new long-haul routes linking a range of cities that would have been uneconomic with other aircraft types in the market."