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**OhOh** · 10-09-2011, 06:55 AM

China to build world's biggest airport - Telegraph

"When Beijing Daxing International airport opens in 2015, the Chinese capital will become the world's busiest aviation hub, handling around 370,000 passengers a day.
It is only three years since the opening of Terminal 3 at Beijing Capital Airport, a sweeping structure designed by Sir Norman Foster that is far bigger than all of Heathrow's five terminals combined.
But an enormous boom in China's aviation industry has already left the capital's existing facilities stretched to breaking point. "It is impossible to add even one more flight to the tight daily schedule of the Capital airport," said Li Jiaxing, the minister in charge of China's Civil Aviation Administration.

"The existing airport in Beijing has an annual capacity of 75 million passengers. Last year it handled 73 million," said Cao Yunchun, a professor at the country's Civil Aviation University. "In two years, it will be totally packed. And it cannot be expanded infinitely," he added. Instead, Beijing's planners have found a 21 sq mile site to the south of the city, in the suburb of Daxing. Currently the site is around an hour's drive from the city centre, but planners are pencilling in an extension to Beijing's metro, and perhaps even a high-speed train line.

The new facility will not only serve Beijing, but also Tianjin and parts of Hebei as the Chinese capital morphs into a mega-city, its suburbs merging into those of the cities around it. The airport will be Beijing's third, after Capital and the smaller, primarily military, Nanyuan airport.
Beijing Daxing is likely to have eight runways for civilian use and a ninth for military use, according to Yao Weihui, the general manager of China United Airlines. "The suggested location is a place with few residents and buildings, so a lot of runways can be built," added Wang Jian, the secretary general of the China Civil Airport Association.

However, unlike London, which is currently the world's busiest hub, the majority of the traffic going through Beijing is made up of domestic Chinese travellers. So far this year, Chinese passengers have outnumbered international travellers four-to-one at Beijing's Capital airport.
Last year, China's aviation industry reported profits of 43 billion yuan (£3.9 billion), three times the figure for the previous year. In the coming two decades, China is forecast to buy at least 4,300 new jet aircraft, and Boeing has recently upped its targets for the country by 25 per cent.
"We are expecting Beijing to play a major role in transport for the Asia Pacific region," said Professor Cao."

Lets hope they are training some competent air traffic controllers!

**FailSafe** · 10-09-2011, 12:48 PM

I should say that I was quite pleased with Emirates to the States from BKK- I would use them again.

**socal** · 10-09-2011, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by IceSpike

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by IceSpike

You can Charter a Cessna direct Utapo-Darwin from Thai Flying School, low price too.

That's interesting. Can you charter one to Angeles?

Yes you can!
Direct to Clark or Subic Bay.

Wow I'd love to fly into Subic. How much do you reckon it would cost?

Harry wants to go to pubic bay.

**socal** · 10-09-2011, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

The above post is like an advert for Thai Airways. As i have said in previous posts, I am not greatly enamoured by Thai Airways in any way shape or form.
There product is sub standard with old aircraft that don,t meet the standard required.Especially as the competition in Asia ie. Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific out of Hong Kong have a much better product. And much better flight routings, not to mention Emirates.Qatar and Etihad from the Middle East who are killing most Asian Airlines on flights to Europe.

Emertaes, Singapore and Cathay are among the best in the world. Shooting a little high arnt you ?

**SandMike** · 10-09-2011, 02:16 PM

And for a cheaper option on Harry's Pubic Bay trip, Tiger Airways BKK-DMIA (Clark) - well he's almost there ... 50km to go.

2 flights a week, 4070 baht return.

**harrybarracuda** · 10-09-2011, 02:29 PM

What are the timings though, Mike? I can't even get flights to come up on their website.

I think things will improve when Air Asia move to Clark.

**SandMike** · 10-09-2011, 05:03 PM

Harry,

Looks like Mon/Wed/Sat

BKK/DMIA(CRK) 15:40/19:55 Flight No. DG7213

DMIA(CRK)/BKK 12:35/14:50 Flight No. DG7212

Couldn't find a timetable, so just messed around with the booking days.

link :- Tiger Airways- Lowest fares to Singapore, Australia, China, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Macau, Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan

Hope this helps, Mike

**harrybarracuda** · 10-09-2011, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by SandMike

Harry,

Looks like Mon/Wed/Sat

BKK/DMIA(CRK) 15:40/19:55 Flight No. DG7213

DMIA(CRK)/BKK 12:35/14:50 Flight No. DG7212

Couldn't find a timetable, so just messed around with the booking days.

link :- Tiger Airways- Lowest fares to Singapore, Australia, China, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Macau, Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan

Hope this helps, Mike

Actually not bad! Makes the two centre holiday all the more easy!

**thehighlander959** · 11-09-2011, 11:43 AM

Socal,

Not shooting high at all. As an international carrier Thai Airways are playing with the Big Boys in Aviation. They have remained stagnant in terms of growth, with a poor product that is not good enough when compared to the other big hitters mentioned in my post above.
They are soon to get their first A-380 I have been informed this will be the perfect aircraft for them to up the anti on their inflight services. Lets see if upgrades are done as per your Thai Airways Orchid mileage or will it be who you know at the airport and is the back hander big enough to ensure your upgrade.

**harrybarracuda** · 11-09-2011, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

Lets see if upgrades are done as per your Thai Airways Orchid mileage or will it be who you know at the airport and is the back hander big enough to ensure your upgrade.

Rhetorical question, I assume?

**thehighlander959** · 11-09-2011, 04:36 PM

You know what I mean "Arry"!!!!!!:

**BobR** · 11-09-2011, 06:39 PM

Did anyone else catch the video of Yingluck leaving on her first trip as Prime Minister? She was flying Singapore Airlines.

**robuzo** · 11-09-2011, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by BobR

Did anyone else catch the video of Yingluck leaving on her first trip as Prime Minister? She was flying Singapore Airlines.

Maybe one of our resident Thailand Kremlinologists can explain that one.

**The Bold Rodney** · 11-09-2011, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by BobR

She was flying Singapore Airlines.

Personally as long as the bloody aircraft gets me there and back in one piece I don't give a flying fuck!

As to the quality or service like whether the heated up food is up to scratch or whether the lettuce is crisp enough etc. most airline food is much the same (heated up crap).

**hazz** · 11-09-2011, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by BobR

Did anyone else catch the video of Yingluck leaving on her first trip as Prime Minister? She was flying Singapore Airlines.

Maybe one of our resident Thailand Kremlinologists can explain that one.

Whilst government procurement rules require the purchase of Thai International flights there is an exception when the alternatives are 20-30% cheaper.

**Tom Sawyer** · 11-09-2011, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

I am not greatly enamoured by Thai Airways in any way shape or form. There product is sub standard with old aircraft that don,t meet the standard required.Especially as the competition in Asia ie. Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific out of Hong Kong have a much better product.

They're getting walloped by Cathay - especially on South Asian and US/Canada routes. Then again what do you expect when an airline has only ONE destination in the Untied States - and it ain't even New York (Only LA - they tried a route to NY for a short time then embarrassingly dropped it as they couldn't compete with others).

Cathay is head and shoulders above THAI. Too bad really as THAI used to be really good. The international standard to Europe has declined too it seems (from reading Skytrax reviews anyway - haven't tried it myself lately - but recall they were flying old 747s).

**Tom Sawyer** · 11-09-2011, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by BobR

Did anyone else catch the video of Yingluck leaving on her first trip as Prime Minister? She was flying Singapore Airlines.

Perhaps the intended message is Thailand is now open for business again. Foreign inward investment most welcome. (Oh yeah - and maybe she actually wants a real meal on her flight - and not half a cold sandwich and a plastic container of sugary orange drink)

**English Noodles** · 11-09-2011, 07:45 PM

A RYANAIR jet had to make two emergency landings on the same journey after the crew found themselves struggling to breathe when fumes filled the cabin.

As the flight attendants lurched for their own oxygen masks, terrified passengers and screaming children looked on in horror during an emergency descent.

One man was so unwell he had to be treated by paramedics when the plane landed for the second time.
Ryanair’s regulator, the Irish Aviation Authority, is now investigating the incidents.
Although Ryanair insists an overheated oven caused the incidents, Captain John Hoyte, a former pilot who runs the Aerotoxic Association, said last night that there may have been a more worrying explanation.
He said: “It has all the hallmarks of a ‘bleed air’ fume event, where toxic engine oil has got into the bleed air supply in the cabin.
“It is bad enough to have one fume event but to then divert after a second fume event just demonstrates the [at]cavalier attitude Ryanair and others take on this.”
Potentially a much more serious matter, this has been the subject of a Sunday Express investigation.
The emergencies happened during a flight from Girona in northern Spain to Stansted airport.
Adelina Comas-Herrera, a London based academic who was travelling with her husband and two children, said about an hour after take-off, she noticed that “something wasn’t right”.
She said: “There was a call from the captain to the cabin crew and they all rushed to the front of the plane to speak to him. Suddenly the cabin crew ran to the back of the plane and started moving the passengers towards any spare seats in the front.

“We were told there was smoke at the back of the plane and we were [at]going to do an emergency landing.”
She said that despite the obvious concern, the atmosphere remained [at]“relatively calm”.
The Boeing 737-800 was met by fire crews as it landed at Nantes airport, in France, where [at]passengers disembarked. However, they had to sit without any refreshments for four hours while they waited for a Ryanair [at]engineer to arrive.
At about 4pm the plane was cleared as being safe for take-off once again but less than an hour later, when they were over the Channel, Ms Comas-Herrera said “a real sense of panic” started to break out.
She said: “The captain said the problem had re-occurred and we were having to do another emergency landing, this time at Gatwick.
“The crew were looking distinctly bewildered and ill and were holding handkerchiefs to their faces.
“Eventually they got oxygen masks for themselves, which left us wondering whether we needed them. I didn’t want my children exposed to the fumes, my eyes were stinging.”
She described the descent, 12 days ago, as “mad” and “incredibly fast”. She said: “I’ve never experienced anything like it. Children were crying. They were alarmed by the panic around them and their ears were hurting. There was a young man on board who was feeling extremely ill.
“His [at]family, who did not speak English, were standing up, trying to make themselves understood.”
After getting back to her home in Kent, her anger intensified when she read Ryanair’s account of the flight on its website.
She said: “I was completely shocked. They were trying to mislead the public about what had happened by saying it was passengers who had reported the fumes.”
Last night Ryanair apologised to passengers, saying: “The fault was subsequently identified by our engineers as an electrical malfunction with one of the ovens in the rear [at]galley. The oven was replaced. There were no health consequences to any [at]passenger or cabin crew.”
By way of compensation for the frightening ordeal, Ryanair has [at]offered the passengers a time-limited voucher worth £75 off their next Ryanair flight.
However, passengers said the airline “had crossed the line” and vowed never to fly with it again.

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**Tom Sawyer** · 11-09-2011, 08:27 PM

Sounds like the pilots had the situation in hand and did everything correctly. An emergency descent is the correct procedure I believe. No one ever said it would be a pleasant experience - it's required to get the plane on the ground in one piece as fast as possible - and with the passengers and crew still breathing. A risk of fire on board an aircraft is the worst possible thing that could happen short of a break-up in mid air. Sounds like the technician in France is the one who fecked up. Another Daily Mail torque job.

**harrybarracuda** · 11-09-2011, 08:31 PM

Fuck me that is one crappy airline.

**English Noodles** · 11-09-2011, 08:33 PM

Pikey Air.

To be sure, to be sure...

**harrybarracuda** · 11-09-2011, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Sounds like the pilots had the situation in hand and did everything correctly. An emergency descent is the correct procedure I believe. No one ever said it would be a pleasant experience - it's required to get the plane on the ground in one piece as fast as possible - and with the passengers and crew still breathing. A risk of fire on board an aircraft is the worst possible thing that could happen short of a break-up in mid air. Sounds like the technician in France is the one who fecked up. Another Daily Mail torque job.

Tom, perhaps yes, if it hadn't landed, and then taken off again without the problem being fixed. Ultimately that's the captain's decision, and it means he fucked up in my book.

**Tom Sawyer** · 11-09-2011, 08:37 PM

Is he supposed to be a specialist in on-board ovens? Yes - he's in charge. But a technician is called to check the problem, fix it and give the aircraft an ok for airworthiness. At some point the Captain has to make a judgment that's true, but he's most likely going to accept the advice of the technician.

**thehighlander959** · 11-09-2011, 08:59 PM

I think there is more to this story for Pikey Air than meets the eye. Do Pikey use their ovens in flight? I thought cold snacks were the order of the day.
If I was the pilot and was forced to land because of a problem with the aircrafts inflight ovens. I would have had them disconnected for the next leg of the flight to ensure there were no further problems.
On arrival at destination report ovens are U/S and require repair and maintainence befor the aircraft is airworthy again.

**English Noodles** · 11-09-2011, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

Do Pikey use their ovens in flight?

Don't think they do.

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