Thread: US has struck 3 Iranian nuclear sites, Trump says, joining Israeli air campaign

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And this is the kind of witless changing of goalposts that idiots like you try and do every time.

I am not trying to change (move?) the goalposts.

It is a bit confusing. You have quoted Lao:

Originally Posted by BLD

Possibly hegseth demanded that no female or transgender pilots be allowed to fly?

Then said something oblique about dog-whistling and then referenced my good self.

So I thought you were saying that what I said about gendered language was dog-whistling.

However if you are saying that Lao's suggestion that Hegseth may have blocked transies from flying B-2 bombers is 'dog-whistling' then I am even more confused.



Help a soul out and say what you are thinking in plain language instead of prancing like a prom-queen tit.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The Fox News drunk actually lied in his confirmation hearing by saying that the military had gender quotas.

They don't.

But that didn't stop all the GOP confirming his appointment, because they do what the lying orange sack of shit tells them to do.

If this is true then it may be an example of lying, but how is it dog-whistling?

I think everyone sees through it, so I don't really regard it as a seriously pernicious attempt to deceive.

So because he lies a lot this lie doesn’t matter that much?

Originally Posted by DrWilly

So because he lies a lot this lie doesn’t matter that much?

​It’s not a lie, if you believe it.-George Costanza.

Originally Posted by Looper

I am even more confused.

Obviously. You demonstrate it in every post.

To add to the confusion:

The head of the CIA has said a "body of credible intelligence" indicates that Iran's nuclear programme was "severely damaged" by a US operation last weekend.

I'm not sure where "severely damaged" fits in with "total obliteration" and "virtual obliteration".

But since Iran has squirreled away enough enriched uranium to make several dirty bombs, I'm not sure why they think it's a success either.

Added: And we have "significant damage" to fit in as well.

The White House has highlighted an Israeli statement that suggested Tehran's nuclear efforts have now been delayed for a few years, with Iran's foreign ministry also confirming the facilities have suffered significant damage.

It's ironic that people are distracted by arguing about how successful this strike against a feudal theocracy has been, while the US Senate and Congress are busy in the background passing a 'big beautiful bill' that will set the US on a path to becoming... a feudal theocracy!

Just seen Hegseth getting quite animated at a press conference with the orange child stood next to him, fuk me was a wanker Hegseth is, he sounds like a junior schoolchild.

Originally Posted by DrWilly

So because he lies a lot this lie doesn’t matter that much?

He lies casually about things that he think reflects badly on him. It comes across as petulant and childish. His lying ends up reflecting badly on him and his administration, but it does not come across as an attempt to deceive as much as other lying presidents have done. e.g. Nixon and Clinton,

He probably does tell a greater volume of lies but the attempt to deceive does not feel as pernicious as the other examples. More like an psychological internal refusal to face the truth.

But he also seems to have almost no moral sense of alarm about being caught in a lie, since he will just bluff and bluster on and ignore it, which feels unstatesmanlike and is a bit of a worry. Honesty should be a more prominent character feature of a truly admirable leader.

Originally Posted by beachbound

​It’s not a lie, if you believe it.-George Costanza.

In a literal sense that is true.

But, it is also true that humans do lie to themselves quite convincingly in order to paint themselves in a better light, both to themselves (for self-confidence purposes), and to others (for prestige purposes).

It seems to be an evolved psychological trait in humans, the political animal.

e.g. something like 80 out of every 100 people regard themselves as above average in intelligence. Clearly 30 of those 80 are labouring under a misconception. But it has evolutionary benefits since a confident outlook predisposes us to perform better in competitive tasks.

Trump takes it to a different level though. It is genuinely hard to tell of he believes his own lies (about the 2020 election for example), and is therefore maybe not really lying in a moral sense, or if he is knows he is lying.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Just seen Hegseth getting quite animated at a press conference with the orange child stood next to him, fuk me was a wanker Hegseth is, he sounds like a junior schoolchild.

an absolute fucko for sure

Originally Posted by Looper

He lies casually about things that he think reflects badly on him. It comes across as petulant and childish. His lying ends up reflecting badly on him and his administration, but it does not come across as an attempt to deceive as much as other lying presidents have done. e.g. Nixon and Clinton,

He probably does tell a greater volume of lies but the attempt to deceive does not feel as pernicious as the other examples. More like an psychological internal refusal to face the truth.

But he also seems to have almost no moral sense of alarm about being caught in a lie, since he will just bluff and bluster on and ignore it, which feels unstatesmanlike and is a bit of a worry. Honesty should be a more prominent character feature of a truly admirable leader.



In a literal sense that is true.

But, it is also true that humans do lie to themselves quite convincingly in order to paint themselves in a better light, both to themselves (for self-confidence purposes), and to others (for prestige purposes).

It seems to be an evolved psychological trait in humans, the political animal.

e.g. something like 80 out of every 100 people regard themselves as above average in intelligence. Clearly 30 of those 80 are labouring under a misconception. But it has evolutionary benefits since a confident outlook predisposes us to perform better in competitive tasks.

Trump takes it to a different level though. It is genuinely hard to tell of he believes his own lies (about the 2020 election for example), and is therefore maybe not really lying in a moral sense, or if he is knows he is lying.

You are maybe starting to get the picture looper> the guy is an A grade asshole, world class bullshitter and phsycopath and those are just his good points

Looper is trying to minimize and excuse him. Typical truntard behaviour.

Originally Posted by thailazer

Sure shows how Trump got played by Netenyahu

Can you provide a brief summary of the argument presented for people who already have too much YouTube in their lives?

If I was Trump, I'd love unleashing Hegseth and letting him have a crack at my opponents. Hegseth puts a lot of energy into his ranting.

I heard Trump insists his family dress well. They don't look like they shop at Walmart.

Mr.Trump continues to flood the zone with his nonsense. It's difficult for anyone to hold him to account. I'm intrigued that his mental faculties are still barely questioned compared to what Mr. Biden had to endure.

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Looper is trying to minimize and excuse him. Typical truntard behaviour.

That is what they have been conditioned to do. It is a mental illness.

Originally Posted by 39TG

If I was Trump, I'd love unleashing Hegseth and letting him have a crack at my opponents. Hegseth puts a lot of energy into his ranting.

It's simply the same "fake news" nonsense we've seen from him for nigh on a decade.

The trumpanzees, i.e. loopers of this world, gulp it down like mouthfuls of jizz.

Everyone else knows he's lying.

It's simply the Lügenpresse that Hitler used to use and we know the orange wanker is a big fan.

Originally Posted by BLD

Hegseth also drank the Trump koolaid.

Mixed with cheap vodka.

Originally Posted by Norton

It will take action by the people of Iran.

yep, but it will take high echalon military to front up first

Originally Posted by Norton

it is my suspicion the Hamas attack was allowed to happen. The notion Israel's most efficient intel organisations didn't know of the attack is simply not believable.

Spot on

And this doesn’t get talked about enough.

‘Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas.

nytimes.com

Originally Posted by Norton

Don't know how soon the regime will change but you can bet there are many high level folks plotting to do just that now. It will come soon so just watch and wait.

They’d better hurry up. Khmenei is 86, and apparently in very poor health. His minions are anxious to take the reins, and just as blood thirsty towards the west.