Thread: At least 40 killed in 'terrorist attack' at concert hall near Moscow

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You are ready to confess to anything: Russia's use of torture against terror suspects criticised


Confessions made under torture are not necessarily true, according to Amnesty International and Dignity.







The press was present in large numbers when four bruised terror suspects were presented for questioning in Moscow on Sunday. (Photo: © Shamil Zhumatov/Reuters/Ritzau Scanpix)

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An army of members of the press stood by when four men suspected of being behind the terror attack in Moscow were ushered into court for questioning on Sunday evening.

As the cameras flashed away, the four men behind the glass panes could be seen with large swelling, wounds and bruises on their faces.

One of them had a bandage around his ear. In a video allegedly leaked by the Russian security services, he can be seen having parts of his ear cut off and stuffed in his mouth during his arrest.

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Another image online showed one of the suspects lying on the floor with his pants down around his ankles and wires attached to his genitals.

Only three of the men went into court themselves. The fourth, a 19-year-old man, was taken into a wheelchair and was only partially conscious.

DR has chosen to blur the faces of the four men, as they have not yet been sentenced.







The 19-year-old floated in and out of consciousness. (Photo: © Shamil Zhumatov/Reuters/Ritzau Scanpix)


Natalia Prilutskaya is a Russia researcher at Amnesty International. She has no doubt that the four suspects have been tortured and believes that Russia has "crossed a red line".

"In the past, torture was denied or torture victims hid and hid away. But now the Russian authorities have almost made a parade out of it. This is a very worrying sign for the Russian justice system," she told P1 Morgen.

The same is the opinion of Jens Modvig, chief physician at the Danish Institute Against Torture, Dignity, and former chairman of the UN Committee against Torture.

"You actually get the impression that the Russian state is interested in exposing this brutal treatment that they have apparently been subjected to. Nothing has been done to hide it, he says.

The Kremlin declined to answer questions about whether the men had been tortured.


'In every way unacceptabel'


The four terror suspects, aged between 19 and 32, are all from the Central Asian country of Tajikistan.

They were apprehended 400 kilometres southwest of Moscow on Saturday and are accused of entering a concert hall and killing at least 139 people on Friday night. An attack for which a branch of the Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

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Prilutskaya said Amnesty International called for a full investigation into the "horrific attack in Moscow" and for all those responsible to be brought to justice.

"But we also call for justice and fair trials for the suspects," she said.

"What we saw a few days ago does not match international standards for a fair trial. Torture is completely prohibited under international law, and this way of treating suspects is unacceptable in every way.

Russia is a signatory to the UN Convention against Torture, which prohibits all forms of torture, whatever the circumstances.






One of the suspects appeared to be missing his right ear. Videos online show that he allegedly had it cut off and stuffed in his mouth during arrest. (Photo: © Shamil Zhumatov/Reuters/Ritzau Scanpix)

Ready to confess to anything


Two of the men pleaded guilty in court. But a confession that has come to light under torture is of little use, says Jens Modvig from Dignity.

"On the one hand, the pain and loss of control is so excruciating that you will do and say anything to make it stop," he says.

- In addition, you are under torture in such an extreme state of stress that your perception of reality is often damaged, so you cannot think rationally, and may not even know what is true and false.

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In light of the treatment the suspects appear to have been subjected to, there is good reason to believe that the confessions were provoked by torture, according to Jens Modvig.

"Any evidence or self-incriminating statements made under torture are not acceptable within international standards of a fair trial," said Natalia Prilutskaya of Amnesty International.






The press was only allowed to attend for a short time before the doors to the interrogation were closed. Natalia Prilutskaya fears that the trial will also be held behind closed doors. "There is very little chance that the whole truth behind this horrific attack will come out," she says. (Photo: © SHAMIL ZHUMATOV, Ritzau Scanpix)

Relatives deserve answers


Those who have lost loved ones in the attack on the Moscow concert hall deserve a fair trial, Natalia Prilutskaya said.

"All the victims of this horrific attack deserve to know what happened and who was behind it – and that the real perpetrators are being brought to justice," she said.

If the case is not investigated, there is a risk that similar attacks could happen again, she believes.

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But why do the Russians continue to use torture - and show it to the world press - if you do not necessarily get true confessions out of it?

Jens Modvig believes that the regime in Russia would like to present itself as brutal towards people who oppose the state.

"It can be a spectacle for others that you are treated so harshly if you do something that the state is not interested in," he said.

Natalia Prilutskaya is a Russia researcher at Amnesty International. She has no doubt that the four suspects have been tortured and believes that Russia has "crossed a red line".

"In the past, torture was denied or torture victims hid and hid away. But now the Russian authorities have almost made a parade out of it. This is a very worrying sign for the Russian justice system," she told P1 Morgen.

The same is the opinion of Jens Modvig, chief physician at the Danish Institute Against Torture, Dignity, and former chairman of the UN Committee against Torture.

"You actually get the impression that the Russian state is interested in exposing this brutal treatment that they have apparently been subjected to. Nothing has been done to hide it, he says.

The Kremlin declined to answer questions about whether the men had been tortured.

of course they have been tortured, is there anybody saying that they dont deserve it or should be treated humanely?

the video of them cutting the throats of shot victims as they lay injured is more than enough to justify any amount of torture the russians wish to perform on them before they are incarcerated.

Good to see a country with some balls.


Instead of leaked photos of soldiers electro-dancing hooded lads and stacking high corpses of 'enemy combatants' not prisoners of war in Abu-Garby, they put it straight out there.

Cutting off his ear and making him eat it. Don't fok with Russia.

indeed edmond.

we live in a world where sadly the increasingly powerful influence of human rights snowflakes and deluded social justice warriors is empowering those whose only desire is to bring chaos, mayhem, turmoil and tumult into our lives.

Cutting off his ear and making him eat it.

all things considered, i thought the russian showed remarkable restraint and the islamist pig should be grateful it wasnt worse.

Originally Posted by taxexile

indeed edmond.

we live in a world where sadly the increasingly powerful influence of human rights snowflakes and deluded social justice warriors is empowering those whose only desire is to bring chaos, mayhem, turmoil and tumult into our lives.

When people are happy to sit in front of a plane and fly it into a building, or to walk into a crowded mosque and blow themselves to pieces, do you think the thought of a bit of Russian genital electrocution would thwart them?

You blithering idiot.

Someone is missing a point

"On the one hand, the pain and loss of control is so excruciating that you will do and say anything to make it stop"

they killers filmed themselves, they were identifiable and in this case their ill treatment was not a means to obtaining a confession.

it was retribution. plain and simple.

Originally Posted by taxexile

it was retribution. plain and simple.

Could it be that the interogators needed information on who ordered it etc ?

could be.

Russia: Perpetrators of suspected terrorist attack in Moscow received money from Ukraine
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Russia is again accusing Ukraine of involvement in the attack on concertgoers in Moscow last week in which more than 140 were killed.

Russia's investigative committee said it had evidence that the alleged perpetrators had links to "Ukrainian nationalists".

In addition, the committee said in a statement that the perpetrators had received "significant amounts of money and cryptocurrency from Ukraine".

Ukraine has repeatedly denied having anything to do with the terror attack, and Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the attack.

The White House says Russia's accusations against Ukraine are "nonsense" and that Islamic State is behind the attack on Crocus City Center. Spokesman John Kirkby said the U.S. warned Russia in writing about a possible extremist attack in the country.

DR cannot verify any of thise information.

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Originally Posted by helge

Russia: Perpetrators of suspected terrorist attack in Moscow received money from Ukraine
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Anna Danielsen Gille




Russia is again accusing Ukraine of involvement in the attack on concertgoers in Moscow last week in which more than 140 were killed.

Russia's investigative committee said it had evidence that the alleged perpetrators had links to "Ukrainian nationalists".

In addition, the committee said in a statement that the perpetrators had received "significant amounts of money and cryptocurrency from Ukraine".

Ukraine has repeatedly denied having anything to do with the terror attack, and Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the attack.

The White House says Russia's accusations against Ukraine are "nonsense" and that Islamic State is behind the attack on Crocus City Center. Spokesman John Kirkby said the U.S. warned Russia in writing about a possible extremist attack in the country.

DR cannot verify any of thise information.

​Nyheder - Få Seneste Nyt fra i dag | DR

So the "Jewish Nazi" Zelensky is entrusting the help of Islamic State to kill innocent Russian civilians in full view of the world?



Maximum points for effort with the Russian propaganda of late, helge.

0 for common sense.

Originally Posted by hallelujah

Maximum points for effort with the Russian propaganda of late, helge.

0 for common sense.

OK
Let me help you out here:

1. This is from the Danish Radio (and TV) news site), who you can't accuse of spreading russian propaganda.

They are pro Ukraine and anti- Putin

2. I suppose this was posted to make Putin look ridiculous

(they can't verify anything)

3. I posted it, cause it's part of the developing case.

4. It's as always not my opinion (I post a lot that I disagree with, I do not sex it up, I do not edit it, to make it fit my narrative)

5. If I do not post a comment with the article, it's just ....news. This is not Speakers Corner.

6. Was it also russian propaganda, when I posted the article about the torture ?

7.But do try to score on every ball you see rolling.....Garnacho



Have a nice night

Originally Posted by helge

OK
Let me help you out here:

1. This is from the Danish Radio (and TV) news site), who you can't accuse of spreading russian propaganda.

They are pro Ukraine and anti- Putin

Yes, the BBC etc posted similar the other day when Putin and his cronies were accusing Britain, the US and Ukraine of assisting ISIS.

Nobody took it seriously.

Certainly, there was nobody who decided to post these accusations on here in an attempt to muddy the waters.

Until now.

Originally Posted by helge

OK


3. I posted it, cause it's part of the developing case.


Have a nice night

Certainly, there was nobody on here who genuinely considered these accusations from the Kremlin as part of a "developing case."

Until now.

Have a night night, helge.

Regards to Preben.

So you disagree with me posting it. Big deal

Did you also disagree with me posting my propaganda article on russian torture, which I see as part of a developing case ?

Pick and choose Hal

Originally Posted by helge

So you disagree with me posting it.

No, but we both know what you really meant with the post, don't we?

It wasn't just a news update.

You'd give OhOh and Klondyke a run for their money at times.

Originally Posted by hallelujah

No, but we both know what you really meant, don't we?

On this particular subject your knowledge seems to be limited.

On the Moscow massacre thing we are more on the same level.

We know very little....or I do know very little and believe even less

Originally Posted by helge

I ... believe even less

This doesn't surprise me.

Anyway, enough.

It's Good Friday.

Beer o'clock.

Time to enjoy the good things in life

Amad's goal against Liverpool. What a feeling. What a moment. What a goal. #mufc #facup #manunited - YouTube

Originally Posted by hallelujah

Anyway, enough.

Not your call

I have also seen posted that Putin might have ordered it himself !

(crazy allegation or what ? He allegedly did it before)

Originally Posted by hallelujah

It's Good Friday.

Not around here......yet

Originally Posted by helge

Not around here......yet

Technically not for me yet either, but work is finished so it'll do.

Fish Friday beckons.

Hopefully a better Friday than last week for the world.

(Btw, I wonder if our posts will get deleted like they did the other night. I didn't see anything beyond robust discussion back then and a bit of sarcasm between the two of us.)

Originally Posted by hallelujah

(Btw, I wonder if our posts will get deleted like they did the other night. I didn't see anything beyond robust discussion back then and a bit of sarcasm between the two of us.)

Agree

They left your post with the usual wild accusations against me, though.

Could be that me, trying to kick some sense into your naive mind, isn't news anymore

Originally Posted by helge

They left your post with the usual wild accusations against me, though.

You can take over from here, General Snubs.

^Reported !

Originally Posted by OhOh

When the perpetrators of the massacre, (the planners, enablers, funders and executors) are finally identified they will, and those posters here whose posts are shown to be erroneous, will be identified.

We've already identified them.

Islamic State did it because Putin is forever persecuting muslims in the countries that actually end in Stan, you fucking moron.