Thread: Submarine on trip to explore Titanic wreck goes missing

I also find the jump in capability between their submersibles strange. Here is their 3 products

ANTIPODES
305 meters (1,000 feet)


CYCLOPS 1
500 meters (1,640 feet)


TITAN
4,000 meters (13,123 feet)

So level one gets you to 1000 feet. Level 2 gets you to 1640 feet. And then level 3 gets you to 13,123 feet ???? I guess a return trip on level 3 isn't always guaranteed.

^ But surely this fibreglass submarine was depth-rated to in excess of the water depth to seabed at this location (3800 metres I think) because they were diving down to see the Titanic, which sits on the seabed.

If there's no transponder to find the thing, I think there's a good chance we will never know what has happened.

Originally Posted by Mendip

^ But surely this fibreglass submarine was depth-rated to in excess of the water depth to seabed at this location (3800 metres I think) because they were diving down to see the Titanic, which sits on the seabed.

If there's no transponder to find the thing, I think there's a good chance we will never know what has happened.

Ah good point.

So the crew could become incapacitated and the hull should be able to just sink to the bottom. And yeah. It is so small, there's no way in hell that it will be found, even intact. It could be in a state of buoyancy and drifting along completely lost. Certainly not unless they have some good redundant location beacons on it.

^ Think of AF447... it took two years to find the Airbus A330 even when there was a very good last position before it went down. Similar water depth to the Titanic as well.

Also, who would cover the astronomical cost of a search, for what is basically a bunch of billionaires having a jaunt?

When is the Netflix movie being released?

Originally Posted by Joe 90

When is the Netflix movie being released?

Done.

Originally Posted by Mendip

Also, who would cover the astronomical cost of a search, for what is basically a bunch of billionaires having a jaunt?

I was thinking the same, it shouldn't be a drain on any taxpayer's purse.

Possibly anyone standing to benefit from the will of a billionare would be wanting to get probate and that would be easier in most countries with a death certificate, which in turn is easier with a dead body. So there might be some well-heeled sponsors.

Apparently it has at least 5 , maybe 7, ways of returning to the surface. But maybe not if it is wrapped in a ghost fishing net.

This submersible takes passengers to The Titanic wreck. Climb in!

Originally Posted by reinvented

what would happen?
would it just be crushed flat like a stepped on beer can?
or would it be like battle royale slowly murdering your fellow passengers to keep the remaining oxygen for yourself?

or a big orgy cos why not

They might of all be singing we all live in a yellow submarine a yellow submarine
Sounds very fucked up way to die especially if youve just coughed up $250 000 because your a bored billionaire

I can remember when sex was safe and scuba diving was considered dangerous. Anyway why the macabre interest in seeing the titanic ship carrying 2500 and 1500 survived. Perhaps in the future when sub tourism.is more reliable you can go see the titanic AND the shitty little sub with tourists that also didnt come back. Weird

CBS journalist David Pogue, who went on the trip last year, noted his vessel got turned around looking for the Titanic.

“There’s no GPS underwater, so the surface ship is supposed to guide the sub to the shipwreck by sending text messages,” Pogue said in a segment aired on CBS Sunday Morning. “But on this dive, communications somehow broke down. The sub never found the wreck.”

Originally Posted by Backspin

Harding holds three Guinness World Records

2019 - The fastest circumnavigation of the Earth via both poles.2021 - Greatest Distance Covered At Full Ocean Depth.[18]2021 - Greatest Duration Spent At Full Ocean Depth.[12][13][14][15]Space flight

And in pole position to be World Hide & Seek champion 2023.


Bladdy eccentric billionaires.

^ Don't forget, he's an 'explorer'...

I think what that means is that, same as Branson, Bezos and the likes, he has a shit load of money and pretends these jaunts are somehow scientific and relevant and worthy things to do.

i think they are just enjoying the shitloads of money they have, and why shouldn't they, .... although 5 of them are not enjoying it right now, but you get my meaning.

they are dan dare hobbyists with dreams and the means to indulge those dreams, and from their endeavours some technological advancements might be made that will eventually filter down to the benefit of the hoi polloi.


... and be honest, who wouldn't jump at the chance to orbit the earth in space or explore the depths if it were safe and cheap.

Originally Posted by taxexile

and be honest, who wouldn't jump at the chance to orbit the earth in space or explore the depths if it were safe and cheap.

I'd rather have a beer and let you tell me about it

To be honest

^^ To me it just seems a shame that they can't find something a bit more useful to do with all these spare millions.

I've been listening to radio today and these Titanic 'explorers' are saying that it's important to study the site to monitor the degradation of the wreck and study the fauna and flora that have colonised the wreck. Maybe even discover what actually sunk the great ship... but why?

Bollocks to that, you could do all that with an ROV at a fraction of the cost. It's all about making money for the 'scientific company' and bragging rights for any punters stupid enough to go 2km down in a fibreglass sub made by some half arsed company who made the controls from some gaming equipment they found on the internet.

Originally Posted by Mendip

I've been listening to radio to day and these Titanic 'explorers' are saying that it's important to study the site to monitor the degradation of the wreck and study the fauna and flora that have colonised the wreck...

Which probably makes it "tax deductable".

[QUOTE=taxexile;4513743]i think they are just enjoying the shitloads of money they have, and why shouldn't they, .... although 5 of them are not enjoying it right now, but you get my meaning.

they are dan dare hobbyists with dreams and the means to indulge those dreams, and from their endeavours some technological advancements might be made that will eventually filter down to the benefit of the hoi polloi.


... and be honest, who wouldn't jump at the chance to orbit the earth in space or explore the depths if it were safe and cheap.[/QUOTE
The hoi polloi? Fuk orf i,ll leave that there.

Originally Posted by helge

Which probably makes it "tax deductable".

Only if you make it back.from your sub cruise and get to.put in a tax return

On the Brightside they have found Wally playing tug of war with Nemo,
It wasn't the cream of Canucks our Pickel and MM or Russel and Norts

Originally Posted by Backspin

The US and Russia have been using VLF (very low frequency) and ELF communication for subs since the 80's

Yes, but their subs are not at that depth !

Magellan who can go to 5km offering their services but the yanks....

British rescue mission for Titan ‘blocked by US officials’

A remotely operated vehicle capable of winching the stricken submersible Titan out of the Atlantic has been blocked from joining the rescue mission by the US government, The Telegraph understands.


A team from deepwater specialists Magellan Limited has been waiting to leave an airport in the Channel Islands since 7pm on Monday, but approval for take-off has yet to be received.


The Guernsey-based firm produced the first full-sized digital scan of the Titanic last summer, the largest underwater project of its kind as two submarines put together 700,000 images of the wreck.


Bretton Hunchak, former president of RMS Titanic, Inc, which collaborated with Magellan, says the company has essential equipment and expertise to help locate OceanGate’s Titan submersible that went missing on a dive to the wreck of the luxury passenger liner, which sank in the North Atlantic Ocean in April 1912.


But despite receiving apparent clearance from the Ministry of Defence to leave UK airspace, the American government has allegedly yet to authorise the team’s request to join rescuers 435 miles south of St John’s, Newfoundland.


Mr Hunchak said US officials have indicated they would prefer to use a New York-based vessel capable of exploring 3,000m below water, whereas Magellan’s can plunge depths of up to 5,000m.


He added Magellan’s remotely operated vehicle was unique in that it was likely the only asset available to have a winch capable of dragging submersibles from the depths of the ocean. It can also detect signals and send them above the surface.


A rescue operation is underway in search of the technologically advanced submersible vessel Titan OceanGate Expeditions


Mr Hunchak said the desperate situation was “painful” to him as he described Paul-Henry Nargeolet, a Frenchman reported to be among those on the submersible, as a “personal mentor”.


He told The Telegraph: “We have British, French and US citizens on board and every minute here counts. This is not a rational decision, this is the only asset we have with a winch and the guys are experts in this area.


“Why not run both vessels? The more help we can get the better and denying us means you are giving up on every option you have to save lives.


“These are irreplaceable human beings.”


Mr Hunchak said he was hopeful the seven-strong team would be able to fly out to join the mission later on Tuesday.


His pleas have been echoed by David Concannon, an adviser to OceanGate.


Mr Concannon told NewsNation: “They are the same group, the experts, that did the advanced survey of the Titanic last year.


“They are mobilised. They’re sitting on the tarmac, ready to go. We have a ship off Newfoundland that is ready to take them to the site.


“We have people whose lives are at stake. You have to move. We have assets that are ready to go and they’re sitting and waiting.”


Meanwhile, Brandon Williams, the Republican congressman and former Navy officer, has called for the US to deploy a nuclear submarine to search for the missing watercraft.


He tweeted:


.@FoxNews: Rep. Williams, “I have 500 days at sea on a submarine, so my heart really goes out to the missing crewmen and their families. The United States Navy needs to step up and do everything possible to help locate that submarine.” https://twitter.com/foxnewspolitics/status/1670954038177693696


On Tuesday, the Ministry of Defence said it was on hand to help the mission, but it emerged Nato’s submarine rescue system (NSRS) will not be able to reach the stricken vessel.


An NSRS submersible can operate at depths of up to 610m, while the Titanic wreck is much deeper at 3,800m.


A spokesman said: “As the host nation for Nato’s multi-national submarine rescue capability, we continue to monitor the incident in the North Atlantic and will guide and assist in any response activity as appropriate.”


A rescue mission involving the US Coast Guard and an aircraft that can detect underwater vessels took place on Monday as rescuers raced to reach the group before their oxygen supplies were exhausted.


The submersible has 96 hours of oxygen, and rescuers warned that it could take up to two days to reach the ocean floor if the craft had sunk there.


The OceanGate Expeditions tour group, which takes explorers to the depths of the Atlantic for $250,000 (£195,000) per person, is believed to have lost contact when the vessel was directly above the Titanic wreck.

British rescue mission for Titanic submersible ‘blocked by US Coast Guard’

Originally Posted by mikenot

Yes, but their subs are not at that depth !

Something here:

Underwater acoustic communication - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by malmomike77

“Why not run both vessels? The more help we can get the better and denying us means you are giving up on every option you have to save lives.


“These are irreplaceable human beings.”

Expect to see you in the waters between Africa and Europe soonest.

Heaps of men, women and children to be saved from drowning


Wouldn't a Mini Sub usually have a feature that will surface it after too long time without contact ?

Some unmanned have