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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    To pull something like that off in a dictator country is quite an accomplishment.
    However, the world will not be so outraged like in e.g. Skripals, Navalny, you name it... (because "dictator")
    Therefore, also no sanctions will be imposed. (Actually, there is no proof which country such sanctions to impose on, like in the other cases, is it?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The one missile hit the target an appears to have started a fire.

    How many were fired, how many shot down by the SA/ameristani defence system?

    The objective of the attack was what, illustrating their ability to cause mischief or start another ME war?


    From the blazing tank, the presumably re-opened refinery after the one missile started a fire in one tank and all safety procedures completed, from a part of the refinery 5 km away or possibly an Aramco filling station 250km away?
    Oh HooHoo, you're so desperate to think this was anything more than a minor inconvenience.

    Sadly for you, it wasn't.


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    Erbil, Iraq — The alleged mastermind of Iran's nuclear weapons program, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, was buried with full military honors on Monday. He was ambushed with a remote-controlled machine gun mounted on a car that later blew up, according to Iranian media reports.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-says-israel-used-remote-controlled-machine-gun-to-kill-top-nuclear-scientist/

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    While we're at it:

    Airstrike kills IRGC commander at Iraq-Syria border - Iraqi officials

    Iran-backed Iraqi paramilitary groups helped retrieve the bodies, the two officials said, without elaborating or giving the exact time of the incident.

    NOVEMBER 30, 2020 22:37

    BAGHDAD - An airstrike killed a commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards at the Iraq-Syria border sometime between Saturday and Sunday, Iraqi security and local militia officials said on Monday.They could not confirm the identity of the commander, who they said was killed alongside three other men traveling in a vehicle with him.
    The vehicle was carrying weapons across the Iraqi border and was hit after it had entered Syrian territory, two Iraqi security officials separately said.

    Airstrike kills IRGC commander at Iraq-Syria border - Iraqi officials - The Jerusalem Post

    Senior Iranian commander killed in drone strike on his car near Iraqi-Syrian border – reports

    30 Nov, 2020 20:52

    A senior commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps was killed in a drone strike near the Syrian-Iraqi border Sunday night, according to reports, just two days after the assassination of Iran’s top nuclear scientist.

    Senior Iranian commander killed in drone strike on his car near Iraqi-Syrian border – reports — RT World News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    US Carrier Strike Group Heads To Gulf
    The last place for it to drop anchor.

    Which ensures no ameristani attack on IRA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The last place for it to drop anchor.

    Which ensures no ameristani attack on IRA.
    Why would America try and attack the IRA from the Gulf? Surely the Irish Sea would be a better location?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    While we're at it:

    Airstrike kills IRGC commander at Iraq-Syria border - Iraqi officials

    Iran-backed Iraqi paramilitary groups helped retrieve the bodies, the two officials said, without elaborating or giving the exact time of the incident.

    NOVEMBER 30, 2020 22:37

    BAGHDAD - An airstrike killed a commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards at the Iraq-Syria border sometime between Saturday and Sunday, Iraqi security and local militia officials said on Monday.They could not confirm the identity of the commander, who they said was killed alongside three other men traveling in a vehicle with him.
    The vehicle was carrying weapons across the Iraqi border and was hit after it had entered Syrian territory, two Iraqi security officials separately said.

    Airstrike kills IRGC commander at Iraq-Syria border - Iraqi officials - The Jerusalem Post

    Senior Iranian commander killed in drone strike on his car near Iraqi-Syrian border – reports

    30 Nov, 2020 20:52

    A senior commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps was killed in a drone strike near the Syrian-Iraqi border Sunday night, according to reports, just two days after the assassination of Iran’s top nuclear scientist.

    Senior Iranian commander killed in drone strike on his car near Iraqi-Syrian border – reports — RT World News

    Hang on while I try and find my tiny violin.

    Ah, there you go.

    Top Iranian nuclear scientist assassinated-small-violin-gif

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Why would America try and attack the IRA from the Gulf? Surely the Irish Sea would be a better location?
    You make a valid point . . . it seems WaahWaah is slightly confused. Off to Belfast with him . . . (or anywhere, really)

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    slightly confused
    As always, it's an age thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    it seems WaahWaah is slightly confused
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    As always, it's an age thing.
    In your case you're simply a fuckwit . . .

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    " Washington (CNN)A senior US administration official said Israel was behind the assassination of Iran's top nuclear scientist"

    Mohsen Fakhrizadeh assassination: US official says Israel behind killing of Iranian nuclear scientist - CNNPolitics

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    "Washington (CNN)A senior US administration official said Israel was behind the assassination of Iran's top nuclear scientist "
    Mohsen Fakhrizadeh assassination: US official says Israel behind killing of Iranian nuclear scientist - CNNPolitics

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    Well, that'll help peace in the middle east . . . to solve this who is needed now is a man of substance. Wile. Guile. Honour. Morality:



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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Well, that'll help peace in the middle east . . . to solve this who is needed now is a man of substance. Wile. Guile. Honour. Morality:

    If I was looking for someone impartial that both side could trust in the meddle east , an Orthodox Jew would be my first choice.
    Top Iranian nuclear scientist assassinated-orthodox-jpg

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    Nice . . . . . . equally disliked by all

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    You make a valid point . . . it seems WaahWaah is slightly confused. Off to Belfast with him . . . (or anywhere, really)
    Confusing his whataboutism.
    I agree on your point about the iranian scientist ohoh. If we condemn attacks in Britain by the Russians or anyone else we must equally condemn this if it is proven. Most reasonable thinking people would.
    OhOh you will notice I was fairly unequivocal. None of your whataboutisms, lame excuses, they were on holiday etc for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    If we condemn attacks in Britain by the Russians or anyone else we must equally condemn this if it is proven
    Yup, agreed. Don't expect WahWah and Loondyke to be impartial, though

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    In your case you're simply a fuckwit . . .
    And you are quite simply a prick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    And you are quite simply a prick.
    Stop fantasising about my penis, you weird, sickly old man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    OhOh you will notice I was fairly unequivocal.
    I have noticed your "most reasonable" replies before.

    Careful or you will be added to pHat's list of Chinese citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Confusing his whataboutism.
    I agree on your point about the iranian scientist ohoh. If we condemn attacks in Britain by the Russians or anyone else we must equally condemn this if it is proven. Most reasonable thinking people would.
    OhOh you will notice I was fairly unequivocal. None of your whataboutisms, lame excuses, they were on holiday etc for me.
    You're right. The blue suede shoes should not run around knocking off anyone they like. Actions should be taken at state level.

    They only feel they need to do this because they know the chinkies and Russians would block such actions out of hand.

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    Israel gets boxed in as Iran issue surges

    Posted on December 2, 2020 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

    “Iran’s scientific and defense policies won’t change because of the assassination of one scientist or general,” the spokesman of the Iranian government Ali Rabiei wrote calmly and firmly in a statement Sunday posted on the official website. Iran “shouldn’t fall into the trap of linking the assassination to past nuclear negotiations,” he said.

    One main objective of Israel in assassinating Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, the veteran nuclear scientist, remains unfulfilled — provoking Iranian retaliation that would trigger a military conflagration at regional level involving the lame duck Trump administration.


    Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif since underscored in an interview with the Entekhab news website that while “Iran and the US will continue to have fundamental differences,” the tension between Tehran and Washington needn’t continue after President Trump leaves office. “Under Trump’s presidency, Iran and US tensions rose to a 40-year peak. It seems unnecessary for this situation to continue,” Zarif said.


    Zarif implied that Tehran intends to engage with the Joe Biden presidency. A second Israeli objective is also unraveling. Both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Trump oppose Biden’s intention to rejoin the Iran nuclear accord.


    Netanyahu and Trump’s attempt to forestall US-Iran negotiations faces a spectacular defeat. There is now a renewed sense of urgency that the Biden administration must prioritise its engagement with Iran.


    A groundswell of opinion in the US favours engagement with Iran, while there is general agreement that Israel did carry out the killing of the Iranian scientist. Not even the Israeli lobby has staked a claim that Fakhrizadeh’s killing would mean the end of the road for Iran’s nuclear programme. In a riveting piece in the New Yorker magazine, Robin Wright wrote,


    “The glaring irony of the sensational operation is that it will probably have a negligible impact on Iran’s nuclear program. “No individual is crucial in a nuclear program like this anymore,” Bruce Riedel, a former senior U.S. official who served in the National Security Council, the C.I.A., and the Pentagon, and who is now at the Brookings Institution, told me. “The Iranians mastered that technology twenty years ago. This guy was important, no question, but he was not crucial to it. Nobody is crucial to it anymore. That’s why describing this as a devastating blow is nonsense.”


    Wright adds, “The crucial factor today is that Iran has the knowledge needed to fashion a nuclear device, but it lacks the material—highly enriched uranium or plutonium—necessary to build nuclear bombs, Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Arms Control Association, in Washington, D.C., told me. “Whatever role Mr. Fakhrizadeh has played in the Iranian nuclear program, his assassination will not have material effect on Iran’s capability to amass more enriched uranium,” Kimball said. The enrichment program falls under the Atomic Energy Organisation of Iran, which is headed by Ali Akbar Salehi, an M.I.T. graduate.”


    Clearly, Netanyahu has lost the plot. That probably explains why there is no triumphalism in Israel itself. However, the assassination could make it more difficult for Biden to reenter the nuclear agreement with Iran. The informed opinion in Europe is that France, Germany and the UK must move quickly to set out a roadmap for Iran and the Biden Administration to come back into compliance with the nuclear deal.


    Six of Europe’s leading diplomats got together to propose that the UK, France and Germany (known as the E3), should coordinate a joint public statement urgently setting out what both Washington and Tehran must do to end the impasse.


    Clearly, there is a sense of urgency felt in parts of Europe that the momentum towards potential US-Iran reconciliation can only be shored up by getting the two countries back to the negotiating table quickly.

    Thus, as a first step, the remaining signatories to the nuclear deal – France, Germany, the UK, Russia, China and Iran – will meet at joint commission level in Vienna on 16 December to discuss how to keep the nuclear deal alive.


    The road map drafted by the six European diplomats, coordinated by the European Council on Foreign Relations, may be picked up at the meeting in Vienna which aims to overcome the sequencing difficulties that face any reopening of the US-Iran negotiations.


    The road map urges that the joint commission should first call on the Biden administration, once inaugurated, to announce that the US will rejoin the nuclear deal, and then for the US and Iran to agree on steps for mutual re-compliance. To quote from the statement by the six European diplomats,


    “The joint commission should also call on the United States to reissue waivers for civil nuclear cooperation [revoked under Trump] as soon as possible to facilitate Iran’s roll-back of nuclear activities and the modernisation of Iran’s Arak heavy water reactor.”

    “Between now and 20 January (Biden’s inauguration), the E3 (France, UK and Germany) and the EU should scope out a clear pathway for Iran to reverse its nuclear activities. Europeans should stress to Iran that such steps will be a necessary component for the United States to fully return to the [deal] under a Biden administration.”


    “This process should involve an extensive discussion with Iran on technical steps to roll back its nuclear programme, the realistic contours of sanctions relief under a Biden administration, and European measures to support Iran’s economy.”


    Meanwhile, the EU has condemned the killing of Fakhrizadeh as “a criminal act”, which runs “counter to the principle of respect for human rights the EU stands for.” Moscow and Beijing also condemned the killing. The British Foreign Secretary said on Sunday that while “still waiting to see the full facts to address the full facts of what’s happened in Iran … we stick to the rule of international humanitarian law which is very clear against targeting civilians.”

    Again, Iran’s neighbours have closed ranks to condemn the killing, including Turkey, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, Jordan. Surprisingly, the UAE, which is reputedly Israel’s closest ally in the Persian Gulf, condemned “the heinous assassination” of Fakhrizadeh and warned that the killing “could further fuel conflict in the region.”


    All in all, Israel stands utterly isolated in the region. This tops up the rebuff administered by Riyadh recently to the joint US-Israeli entreaties at the recent secret meeting on November 23 in Neom between Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Netanyahu and the US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.


    In the circumstances, it remains to be seen how long the jubilation over the Abraham Accords will survive once Trump’s back is turned. The hurried visit by Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, to Saudi Arabia, with hardly seven weeks left for the lame duck presidency, shows the deep disquiet in Washington and Tel Aviv. If Kushner doesn’t manage to pull off Saudi recognition of Israel, all bets are off.

    The crux of the matter is that even before Biden’s inauguration, the European powers plan to intensify contacts in the US Congress and with Saudi Arabia and the UAE. They hope to reassure the hostile states that there are advantages to them out of reviving the Iran nuclear deal, including possible stabilisation efforts in Iraq and Yemen. Russia and China also favour such a regional reconciliation.
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    One main objective of Israel in assassinating Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, the veteran nuclear scientist, remains unfulfilled — provoking Iranian retaliation that would trigger a military conflagration at regional level involving the lame duck Trump administration.
    What a stupid Indian. More like it's a good time to do it because baldy orange loser won't tell them off or take any action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I have noticed your "most reasonable" replies before.

    Careful or you will be added to pHat's list of Chinese citizens.
    I doubt it. PH's issue with you (and he doesnt need me to speak for him) is your inability to criticise anything regarding china/russia etc but the first to criticise the west. Your obvious imbalance of views, that sometimes border on ludicrous, draws PH's critique as well as myself and many others even though we come from different viewpoints. Your penchant for posting an alternative viewpoint is not the issue but your balance (or lack of) is.
    Be more even handed and responses from other posters will be less critical.
    Sadly, you have the intelligence IMO to do so but are far too indoctrinated to see reason anymore as your credibility has been slowly frittered away and your posts just become meaningless propaganda and you an object of derision. Sorry to say but there you have it.

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    The problem is that no agreement with the USA can be relied on in the long term, it is only good as long as that particular administration is in powered, and maybe not even then. Iran knows that as long as Israel has the US in it's back pocket , their only security is in power. and I don't blame them, they are not stupid , they can add two and two .
    The know that If they don't get the Bomb, they at least need to have enough conventional power to insure mutual destruction in the area , their other option is to become a US poppet country. Or have happen to them what has Happen to , Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, These are the only options.
    I cant think of any other option, can you?
    IMO The US will destabilize any regional power that becomes strong enough to threaten Israel.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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