Thread: New supersonic passenger jet in the works.

Originally Posted by Backspin

So you think they did fly Concorde for 27 years to save face ??

There was simply enough rich ppl in the world even then , to keep Concorde full enough to make money charging $7000 one way.

1 thing killed Concorde and a 2 other things helped. The Airbus A380. Airbus was promoting the Hub and spoke model of flying with the intro of their big new product , the A380. Concorde was a point to point aircraft. Not a hub and spoke aircraft. So according to John Hutchinson and a few people in the know , Airbus jacked up the cost of maintenance of the Concorde to kill it. They successfuly killed it for Air France. But British Airways was harder to crack. BA even completely redid the interiors after 9/11

But that's the other thing. 9/11 and the Iraq war. They had to put in a new cockpit wall to separate the pilots from the passengers after 9/11. They did that. BA even redid the interiors on their Concordes after 9/11. But then the Iraq war hit and there was big diplomatic tension between the US and France. There was boycotts going both ways. Some Seppos boycotted the Concorde. Then there was the crash (which was 0% ZERO percent Concordes fault.

In the end , Airbus killed the point to point Concorde to promote the A380 and hub/spoke. Turns out that was totally fucking wrong anyway. Point to point won out as the format and the A380 is already discontinued. Everything is point to point now and that's a natural for a supersonic aircraft like Concorde which is why a replacement is being built.

Admittedly I didn't fly on every BA Concorde flight that ever took, but on the handful that I flew, all before 911 the plane was always half full at best .
I never flew Concorde with Air France, perhaps they had better passenger numbers but they did offer an 'economy' cabin while BA only had 'Concorde Class'

Enjoy the rest of your day/evening

I took a business class flight before. I was bored with the features about one hour in and I still had to bomb myself out with 6 Valium to sleep at all.

Fuck long flights. Fuck them to hell.

Per John Hutchinson, there was 15 years left in the Concorde. But the frogs killed it.

Why...??

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Why...??

Really the stupidest fucking thing someone could say. Do you specifically choose flights with the most stop overs ? Why not
?

Quite a small cabin, seats not special. Food & service good, & a special waiting lounge. But the most telling comment I got (from a cathay pilot) was by the time you kind of wanted to settle back and enjoy it, you were in descent!

Originally Posted by sabang

Quite a small cabin, seats not special. Food & service good, & a special waiting lounge. But the most telling comment I got (from a cathay pilot) was by the time you kind of wanted to settle back and enjoy it, you were in descent!

You didn't need fancy seats when you got there in half the time

But don't worry. There will be lots of slow white elephants for you

If you like slow flights you can also take flights with as many stop overs as possible

Originally Posted by Backspin

You didn't need fancy seats when you got there in half the time

But don't worry. There will be lots of slow white elephants for you

While I agree they were built for speed as opposed to the ultimate in comfort.


I would be interested in your opinion of the benefits of taking the morning Concorde out of JFK to LHR when taking into account the extra costs over First class on a 747

Originally Posted by Happy As Larry

While I agree they were built for speed as opposed to the ultimate in comfort.


I would be interested in your opinion of the benefits of taking the morning Concorde out of JFK to LHR when taking into account the extra costs over First class on a 747

Again: A lot of the seats on Concorde were rewards for frequent flying Premium Cabins on other aircraft, and for corporate accounts.

BA minted it at one point. It's how they ended up with all these overpaid, old poofs and tarts who make up their cabin crew.

Every time they made a murmur about striking, Lord King gave them a fucking pay rise. BA could afford it then.

Originally Posted by Happy As Larry

Have you hit puberty yet?

Ouch, bitch slap. Thank HAL, who happens to be the only guy posting who has flown the beautiful aircraft.

^ and that reply shows that you are still pre-puberty.

I can well understand why HAL doesn't find a need to prove anything to you.
Who the fook do you think you are?

Originally Posted by lom

I can well understand why HAL doesn't find a need to prove anything to you.
Who the fook do you think you are?

who the fook does he think he is ? Making big claims and providing zero evidence ?

Originally Posted by Backspin

Did you know that wing drag actually starts falling, AFTER you pass the sound barrier ? You end up with reduced drag coefficients, the faster you go. This is what makes supersonic an absolute no brainer. And that is what separates it from these ridiculous ideas about rocket powered flight. Supersonic is the sweet spot. Once we go supersonic, it will never make sense to go faster.

Deary me...if only things were so simple. I'm afraid there's an awful lot more to it than that. I guess you need to read up on aerofoil shape and design for supersonic flight as well as how you are going to take-off and land the beast at reasonable speeds and runway lengths. The method of propulsion is another topic altogether...

Not quite the no-brainer you think. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

Originally Posted by Troy

Deary me...if only things were so simple. I'm afraid there's an awful lot more to it than that. I guess you need to read up on aerofoil shape and design for supersonic flight as well as how you are going to take-off and land the beast at reasonable speeds and runway lengths. The method of propulsion is another topic altogether...

Not quite the no-brainer you think. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

Jesuuuuus... All I was fucking saying is that supersonic flight provides a sweet spot where wind drag actually starts falling again, instead of rising. Most ppl don't know that. I wasn't saying that developing SST is a walk in the park even though it is compared to these ridiculous hypersonic and stupid ideas or rocket powered orbital flight nonsense.

I guess you need to read up on aerofoil shape

They wanted to fully area rule the Concorde but couldn't because they had to make it out of aluminum. Now with carbon fiber, they can fully area rule the shape, exactly how they want it. And they've done that on the XB-1 demonstrator.

as well as how you are going to take-off and land the beast at reasonable speeds and runway lengths.

They are using full 4k video which eliminates the need for the heavy and complicated drop nose that the Concorde had. This weight savings allows them to reduce take off speed and landing as well

The method of propulsion is another topic altogether...

It was all done on Concorde with analog computers. With 2020 digital, it will be a cinch in comparison.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Jesuuuuus... All I was fucking saying is that supersonic flight provides a sweet spot where wind drag actually starts falling again, instead of rising.

It is only one type of drag. What about wave drag? What about friction drag? what about the compressibility effects of air? One graph about one type of drag is way too simplistic.

This is my field of expertise backspin...and you are showing your ignorance.

Originally Posted by Troy

It is only one type of drag. What about wave drag? What about friction drag? what about the compressibility effects of air? One graph about one type of drag is way too simplistic.

This is my field of expertise backspin...and you are showing your ignorance.

This is where skidmark shuts up to stop himself looking even more of a c u n t.

Originally Posted by Troy

It is only one type of drag. What about wave drag? What about friction drag? what about the compressibility effects of air? One graph about one type of drag is way too simplistic.

This is my field of expertise backspin...and you are showing your ignorance.

Well maybe you should email Japan Airlines. A 70 year old company and one of the best in the business and tell them that supersonic can't be done.

Japan Airlines invests in U.S. supersonic flight startup Boom

Originally Posted by Backspin

Well maybe you should email Japan Airlines. A 70 year old company and one of the best in the business and tell them that supersonic can't be done.

Japan Airlines invests in U.S. supersonic flight startup Boom

Is this the same JAL, national carrier that has had severe financial difficulties for decades? Not surprising really, if that is their investment profile.

Originally Posted by Backspin

So I am not going to take random claims from a TD'er with under 1000 posts, lightly.

You'd rather believe someone who does 2500 in under a year because that gives you credibility? Good God, you really are dense

Originally Posted by Backspin

Cell phones were a toy for the rich at the start.

No, they weren't. Why are you making up shit again?

Originally Posted by Backspin

Talking porkies is cheap on the Internet

Aah, that's why

Originally Posted by panama hat

No, they weren't. Why are you making up shit again?

Yes they were you utter plonk. Why the fuck would you be so dense as to challenge that

Originally Posted by Backspin

Making big claims and providing zero evidence ?

That, Skidmark, is the perfect description of you. You post bizarre claims, don't back them up yet double down on them. You have the least 'right' to judge anyone negatively

Originally Posted by Backspin

Yes they were you utter plonk. Why the fuck would you be so dense as to challenge that

Because mobile phones were made for business, not the wealthy.

Good God, you are thick. Really, stop talking about things you know nothing of.

Hookers and rape are more down your alley - keep discussing those topics

Originally Posted by panama hat

Because mobile phones were made for business, not the wealthy.

Oh my fuck