Thread: Orthopaedic plate found inside stomach of 4.7-metre farm croc - TD CSI?

Koorana Crocodile Farm owner John Lever found his 4.7-metre crocodile MJ dead, around seven months after the sick animal stopped eating.
MJ the croc
Photo: MJ measured an impressive 4.7-metre in length. (Supplied: Koorana Crocodile Farm)



The crocodile was one of thousands living at the central Queensland crocodile farm near Rockhampton.

MJ had a fight with another croc named Big Joe in summer 2018 and he had deteriorated from there.

Mr Lever said when a crocodile dies at the farm it is opened up so its stomach contents can be examined.

The crocodile farmer said he would often find a wide range of things such as rocks, onion bags, broken bottles, hooks and plastic, but what he found in MJ's stomach was something he had not seen before.

"It's the most unusual thing I've ever found," he said

"All the rest of the things, they're dime a dozen, we find them every time we open up a big croc — but this was different.

"There's no number, it's only the style. It's an old-style orthopaedic plate and it came complete with six stainless steel screws.



"Obviously whatever bone he'd taken in that had had the operation performed on it, had been eaten away by the crocodile's stomach juices and just left the stainless steel plate with the six screws in it."
Medical or veterinary?
orthopaedic steel plate and six screws
Photo: An orthopaedic plate and six screws were found in MJ's stomach. (Supplied: Koorana Crocodile Farm)

Mr Lever has contacted someone in England to find the manufacturer of the orthopaedic plate to help identify it.

"We're trying to track it down to see whether it's one used in the veterinary industry or the medical industry," he said.

Once the results come back from England, Mr Lever said he would offer the plate to police for testing if necessary.

"I'd let them have a look at the plate to see if they wanted to do any forensics on it," he said.

"But I can't see they're going to get anything from this plate if it's been in a crocodile's stomach for six years — that we know of — and probably another six to 20 [years] before that," he said.

"Being subjected to the high-acidic content of a crocodile's stomach, I'm surprised it was in such good order as it was — [it is] good stainless steel that's for sure."
Why did MJ die?

MJ was a large crocodile that would have weighed around 700 kilograms when he was in good health.

Mr Lever purchased the crocodile from a farm in north Queensland six years ago, but prior to that he was originally living in the wild.

After an examination of MJ he was not sure exactly what caused the crocodile's death, but noted there were also rocks in his stomach, which he said was normal for the species.
stones and an orthopaedic plate found in a 4.7 metre croc's stomach
Photo: When MJ died, John Lever opened up his stomach to find rocks and a stainless steel orthopaedic plate inside. (Supplied: Koorana Crocodile Farm)

"There's always stones [in their stomachs] because they actually swallow those and use them to help with their ballast when they're lying in the water," Mr Lever said.

"They move their stomach contents forward enough to get some balance going on.

"He had some fairly bad lesions on his lungs, and this is fairly common too [with] large crocodiles, the lungs seem to be their weakest organ.

"He had an infection in his lungs somehow, whether this came from the fight he had I don't know, but certainly he wasn't a healthy specimen when we opened him up."
crocodile farm, koorana crocodile farm, john lever, crocodile
Photo: John Lever says the orthopaedic plate was the "most unusual thing" he has found in a dead crocodile. (Supplied: Koorana Crocodile Farm)

The unsolved mystery

No staff or pets are missing from Koorana Crocodile Farm, so Mr Lever said the origin of the orthopaedic plate is a mystery.

"We're waiting on the results from overseas but I might dig him up and take one of his leg bones [to measure his age]," he said.

"We were so flat out, having to deal with a dead croc in the middle of a busy day when you've got another 5,000 crocs to feed.

"We just got his skin off him as quickly as we could and then dumped the body — buried it.

"On a rainy day when we get time, we can try and age him but even then that's a long process."

https://www.abc. net.au/news/2019-07-31/central-queensland-crocodile-mystery/11367608

Could be a field day for the TD CSI bloodhounds...

The perfect murder...

Off the victim and then feed them to the crocs on the croc farm...

^So, it seems that the name of the person should always be engraved on the implant...

How easy it is for gangsters in areas infested by crocs to dispose a body...

^Oh dear.

Klondyke is a CSI rookie...

Back to plod school for you Klondyke.

The crucial detail here is that this croc was a farm croc.

If it was a wild croc then the victim could have been an innocent victim.

But farm crocs only eat food that they are given by humans so that is where the CSI teams mad skillz are required.

We need to start with a list of all the people who have worked at the croc farm and could have had the opportunity to feed a stiff to a hungry croc in the last 20 years and then cross reference this against missing persons records for the last 20 years for any leads.

^ Read it again loops. Originally wild, then farm.

^I did not read the whole thing.

It is too long

In CSI they would get the serial number off in a five minute montage with lots of spray and shit, send it to an imaginary database, and then call Horatio and show him the victim's ID on a poorly assembled computer mock up.

He would then put his sunglasses on and make a bad pun, like:

"Make no bones about it, he was crocked".

"The crocodile farmer said he would often find a wide range of things such as rocks, onion bags, broken bottles, hooks and plastic, "

Just another night on the town for...

The fish.

Ok, I've only eaten a few onion bags and none in the last few years.

Originally Posted by fishlocker

broken bottles

They do that just to mess with your head.

Wave a broken bottle at them to defend yourself and they will snap it out of your hands, crunch it into pieces it and swallow it and then give you a crocodile smile to let you know how well your panic-stations self-defence strategy is going to pan out in the next 5 minutes!

Originally Posted by Looper

They do that just to mess with your head.

Wave a broken bottle at them to defend yourself and they will snap it out of your hands, crunch it into pieces it and swallow it and then give you a crocodile smile to let you know how well your panic-stations self-defence strategy is going to pan out in the next 5 minutes!

Aren't you supposed to try and poke their eyeballs out or something?

I was told that you should run away from a crocodile in zig-zags. Crocodiles have an ancient skeletal design and they're not good at cornering.

Never tested out that theory though.

if you can zigzag while running on the mudflats then you would be a shoe in as an all blacks inside centre

I never said it was easy!

Maybe you can reach new levels of fitness with a dirty great crocodile snapping at yer arse? It would be a very big motivator.

A croc can move extremely quickly.
A no-neck rugbyist may as well garnish himself with a selection of sweet potatoes and yams before trying to outrun a croc on a mudflat or anywhere else.
Not that crocs appreciate the trimmings, but it would be a nice gesture that might promote inter-species goodwill and possibly assist digestion - crocs do prefer their meaty treats falling off the bones though, and that’s usually because the meat has rotted under a riverbank ledge rather than being roasted.

Stop Press !

It's been confirmed to be a plate used on humans. People in North Queensland are now getting concerned about relatives who went missing over the last 6 years.

It's vaguely reminiscent of the shark arm case.....in Sydney, Australia, on 25 April 1935 when a tattooed human arm was regurgitated by a captive 3.5-metre tiger shark, subsequently leading to a murder investigation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Arm_case

Not to mention the kookaburra that vomited up a cock ring.
Disclaimer - may be total bs.

Croc egg harvesting by helicopter, anyone?