Thread: Nuclear weapons in Europe?

Secret locations of U.S. nuclear weapons in Europe accidentally included in report from NATO parliament

This report has been updated.

A recently released — and subsequently deleted — document published by a NATO-affiliated body has sparked headlines in Europe with an apparent confirmation of a long-held open secret: U.S. nuclear weapons are being stored in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey.

A version of the document, titled “A new era for nuclear deterrence? Modernisation, arms control and allied nuclear forces,” was published in April. Written by a Canadian senator for the Defense and Security Committee of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, the report assessed the future of the organization’s nuclear deterrence policy.

But what would make news months later is a passing reference that appeared to reveal the location of roughly 150 U.S. nuclear weapons being stored in Europe.

According to a copy of the document published Tuesday by Belgian newspaper De Morgen, a section on the nuclear arsenal read: “These bombs are stored at six US and European bases — Kleine Brogel in Belgium, Büchel in Germany, Aviano and Ghedi-Torre in Italy, Volkel in The Netherlands, and Incirlik in Turkey.”

The document does not attribute this information to any source. Last week, a final version of the report was published online, and it omits the specific reference to where bombs are stored. Instead, the report refers vaguely to aircraft that could carry nuclear weapons.

“The European Allies often cited as operating such aircraft are Belgium, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, and Turkey,” the document said, with a footnote citing a 2018 report by the Nuclear Threat Initiative, a U.S. nongovernmental organization.

Sen. Joseph Day, the author of the report, wrote in an email that the first version of the report was only a draft and that changes may be made to the report until it is dealt with by the NATO Parliamentary Assembly in November. “All information used in this report is open source material,” he wrote.


As a rule, neither the United States nor its European partners discuss the location of Washington’s nuclear weapons on the continent. “We do not comment on the details of NATO’s nuclear posture,” said a NATO official, speaking on the condition of anonymity in line with the organization’s rules for talking to the media.

“This is not an official NATO document,” the official added, noting that it was written by members of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly.

A number of European outlets, however, viewed the report as confirmation of an open secret. “Finally in black and white: There are American nuclear weapons in Belgium,” ran the report in De Morgen. “NATO reveals the Netherlands’s worst-kept secret,” said Dutch broadcaster RTL News.

The presence of U.S. nuclear weapons in Europe was indeed “no surprise,” Kingston Reif, director for disarmament and threat-reduction policy at the Arms Control Association, said in an email. “This has long been fairly open knowledge.”

There had been a number of clear indications of the presence of U.S. nuclear weapons before. A diplomatic cable from a U.S. ambassador to Germany suggested that there were concerns about how long the weapons could be kept in these countries.

“A withdrawal of nuclear weapons from Germany and perhaps from Belgium and the Netherlands could make it very difficult politically for Turkey to maintain its own stockpile,” read the memo, written by then-U.S. Ambassador Philip Murphy in November 2009.

The presence of the weapons derived from an agreement reached in the 1960s and is in many ways a relic of the Cold War era — designed not only to act as deterrence to the nuclear armed-Soviet Union, but also to convince countries that they didn’t need their own nuclear weapons program.

But times have changed. In 2016, after a coup attempt and the rapid spread of the Islamic State extremist group next door, analysts openly wondered whether Turkey was really such a great place to store nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile, near Germany’s Büchel air base, the failure of arms-control treaties with Russia has prompted fears about a new arms race.

“The military mission for which these weapons were originally intended — stopping a Soviet invasion of Western Europe because of inferior U.S. and NATO conventional forces — no longer exists,” Reif said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.d707aad2a6a7

Common knowledge, isn't it? There's even a wiki page about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

(why not to withdraw from the INF?) (BTW, they do not read Wiki...)

BOMBSHELL Top secret locations of 150 US nukes hidden in Europe are accidentally leaked in Nato report sparking major security fears

17 Jul 2019,

SECRET sites storing 150 US nukes have been accidentally revealed in a Nato report, it has been reported.

The United States and its allies in the Nato military alliance never disclose the locations of the nuclear arsenal but it appears the six sites have inadvertently disclosed.




A draft version of the document entitled “A new era for nuclear deterrence? Modernisation, arms control and allied nuclear forces” was published earlier this year.

But Belgian newspaper De Morgen spotted that it contained details about the nuke sites.

A section on the nuclear arsenal read: “These bombs are stored at six US and European bases — Kleine Brogel in Belgium, Büchel in Germany, Aviano and Ghedi-Torre in Italy, Volkel in The Netherlands, and Incirlik in Turkey.”

The study was written by a Canadian senator Joseph Day for the Defense and Security Committee of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly.

The final version of the report has now been published online with specific reference to where bombs are stored deleted.

NUKES REVEALED

Instead it refers vaguely to aircraft that could carry nuclear weapons.Senator Day told the Washington Post the original document was only a draft and “all information used in this report is open source material”.

A Nato spokesman said: “We do not comment on the details of NATO’s nuclear posture. This is not an official NATO document.”

It has been reported that the US has deployed the B61 bomb in Europe.

The presence of US nuclear weapons in Europe is a relic of the Cold War and they were originally stationed to deter Soviet aggression.

At the height of tensions, the US is believed to have deployed 110 nuclear weapons at RAF Lakenheath, which were removed in 2008.

America has indicated it may spend more than £703 billion by the 2040s upgrading its nuclear capabilities.

The United States and Russia are due to meet today to discuss the possibility of a three-way nuclear arms treaty, including China for the first time.

The talks are being held two weeks before the formal end to the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty between Russia and the US.

The 1987 agreement was signed in 1987 in Washington D.C. by President Ronald Regan and Soviet Union General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev and greatly reduced nuclear weapons in Europe.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/952542...d-nato-report/

Originally Posted by Klondyke

(BTW, they do not read Wiki...)

Perhaps they should read Teakdoor then.

https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/...sile-deal.html (What Turkey's S-400 missile deal with Russia means for Nato)

Or any of the other websites on the Internet with the same information.

Cool, France has more Nukes than China

and Russia more than the US,

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Cool, France has more Nukes than China

and Russia more than the US,

Wondering how the counting is provided (and checked)?

Self reported to the International Atomic Agency, I assume

^In case of Israel?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

In case of Israel?

"80" or so it says.

Iran? Not even on there..."The crazy mullahs must be stopped!"

Cool, France has more Nukes than China

and Russia more than the US,

you only need one.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

^In case of Israel?

I think Russia, France and England provided the source materials, so they might have declared their export under a code name to protect Israel name, but everyone knows what the code is

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I think Russia, France and England provided the source materials, so they might have declared their export under a code name to protect Israel name, but everyone knows what the code is

With your last 3 posts, you've proved that there is a vacuum where your brain should be. You are a massive lucky dip of fake news sources on everything you post.

You are the reason that autonomous breathing was developed in humans.

Originally Posted by Switch

With your last 3 posts, you've proved that there is a vacuum where your brain should be. You are a massive lucky dip of fake news sources on everything you post.

You are the reason that autonomous breathing was developed in humans.

He's too stupid to know the blue suede shoes got their nukes off the jaapies.

Clickbait. Information has been available for years...

^^ The Sonneborn Institute...

Bufffly is fukin hillarious, he bounces around lecturing on Nutty Women, Whores, Win XP, Economics, Cuisine and is an acolyte of almost all the long running tedium threads on here and then to cap it all

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I think Russia, France and England provided the source materials, so they might have declared their export under a code name to protect Israel name, but everyone knows what the code is

comes out with a Ant conspiracy quote because the gammons are out to get the muzzies

Originally Posted by Switch

With your last 3 posts, you've proved that there is a vacuum where your brain should be. You are a massive lucky dip of fake news sources on everything you post.

You are the reason that autonomous breathing was developed in humans.

Hi Chass, bad day in your diaper yesterday

Thanks for giving Buttfly some attention.

It doesn't matter that it's negative attention, he'll lap it up like his own cum from a ladyboy's arse cheeks.
Tonight he won't cry himself to sleep.
You've done a charitable thing, gentlemen.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He's too stupid to know the blue suede shoes got their nukes off the jaapies.

for the usual idiots, who think they know it all like Harry, Chass and our resident super Chav Namtoot

What a nice bunch of losers

Israel began to investigate the nuclear field soon after it declared independence in 1948 and, with French co-operation, secretly began building the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center,[c] a facility near Dimona housing a nuclear reactor and reprocessing plant in the late 1950s. The first extensive details of the weapons program came in October 5, 1986, with media coverage of revelations from Mordechai Vanunu, a technician formerly employed at the center. Vanunu was soon kidnapped by the Mossad and brought back to Israel, where he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for treason and espionage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclea...ons_and_Israel

and the Brits of course

British aid

Top secret British documents[56][57] obtained by BBC Newsnight show that Britain made hundreds of secret shipments of restricted materials to Israel in the 1950s and 1960s. These included specialist chemicals for reprocessing and samples of fissile material—uranium-235 in 1959, and plutonium in 1966, as well as highly enriched lithium-6, which is used to boost fission bombs and fuel hydrogen bombs.[58] The investigation also showed that Britain shipped 20 tons of heavy water directly to Israel in 1959 and 1960 to start up the Dimona reactor.[59] The transaction was made through a Norwegian front company called Noratom, which took a 2% commission on the transaction. Britain was challenged about the heavy water deal at the International Atomic Energy Agency after it was exposed on Newsnight in 2005. British Foreign Minister Kim Howells claimed this was a sale to Norway. But a former British intelligence officer who investigated the deal at the time confirmed that this was really a sale to Israel and the Noratom contract was just a charade.[60] The Foreign Office finally admitted in March 2006 that Britain knew the destination was Israel all along.[61] Israel admits running the Dimona reactor with Norway's heavy water since 1963. French engineers who helped build Dimona say the Israelis were expert operators, so only a relatively small portion of the water was lost during the years since the reactor was first put into operation.

^ & ^^ A lot of which was financed by the entity in post #15. Who were(/are?) very similar to Leslie Wexner's Mega Group.