Thread: Nato calls for calm after boats seized in Russia-Ukraine clashes

Originally Posted by OhOh

No evidence to support any of what you "search for whatever 30632 is or was. As usual straw dogs, all hat and no cattle, sad.

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1. Try a different search engine.


2. Try this link, seems to work last week, this week, today:

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Well found, I was using the link here:

The Treaty Between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on the Russian-Ukrainian State Border was signed on January 28, 2003, by then President Kuchma of Ukraine and President Putin of the Russian Federation. (BIULLETEN MEZHDUNARODNYKH DOGOVOROV [Bulletin of International Treaties, official publication] No. 7 (2004), President of the Russian Federation website.)

But you've found just what I was looking for:

[QUOTE]1. Commercial vessels and warships, as well as other state vessels flying the flag of the Russian Federation or Ukraine, operated for non-commercial purposes, enjoy freedom of navigation in the Sea of ​​Azov and the Kerch Strait.

I hope it helps you.

Certainly does, as long as you grasp the meaning of "Commercial vessels and warships, as well as other state vessels flying the flag of the Russian Federation or Ukraine, operated for non-commercial purposes, enjoy freedom of navigation in the Sea of ​​Azov and the Kerch Strait".

According to my records, firing on "Commercial vessels and warships, as well as other state vessels flying the flag of the Russian Federation or Ukraine, operated for non-commercial purposes" and ramming them, doesn't count as "enjoying freedom of navigation".




Video here of Ukrainian boats not "enjoying freedom of navigation".

https://www.euronews.com/2018/11/26/...m-ukraine-boat

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's very simple: NATO's whole raison d'etre is to protect its members from aggression.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If fucknuts stayed within his borders, this would not be the case.

Once more with feeling...

Originally Posted by foobar

NATO border in blue. Russia border in red.

Originally Posted by foobar

Once more with feeling...

You have to be a special kind of idiot to compare being a member of NATO with having Russian tanks rolling down your high street and stealing your land.

You dick.

Originally Posted by OhOh

So glad you found it useful.

Nobody has stopped "freedom of navigation" of Ukraine warships and tugs. The Ukraine ships were requested to stop. Prior to transiting the straight certain formalities need to be observed, similar to the last time Ukraine military ships traversed the straight.

From the treaty I found for you, the one you had been searching for, the one you found so helpful:



Such as:

Calling in the local Traffic Control station, similar to ships passing the Dover Straights, possible joining the queue of ships awaiting transit, similar to the Suez Canal and international airports where customers check-in, go through customs, then officials check documentation once, twice, three times and then await boarding the airplane.For ships, customs clearance, cargo examination for deadly diseased meat, fruit and vegetables, drugs, illegal arms, counterfeit hand bags, fake perfumes, currently a hot topic I hear.

You know, the normal things customs and excise officers do all around the world, everyday of the week.

Last time the Ukraine military went through the straights all was hunky dory, why you might ask not this time.

Because they wanted to jump the queue, they didn't have the right pieces of paper/authorisation/permits, they tried to buck the system. Now as we all know in some countries a blind eye is turned if a brown paper envelope is waived, possibly some newly promoted civil servant was sticking to the letter of the rules.

The Ukraine captains, their on board "political advisors", a Ukraine President - scared of losing his position where he can accumulate wealth was in jeopardy and hence decided to follow orders from afar to add some more shit to the pot.

An election he was going to lose, some whispers of, "We will stand bye you", from interested but not publicly committed, parties.

But Mr Jobsworth was having nothing like that on his/her watch.

Similar to somebody trying to enter a country, avoid HMRC/Mexico Border Control Officers. They were asked to stop and be searched, put their hands behind their head.

Once they refused, as in many civilised countries, they would all have been shot dead, normal SOP. Luckily the ships weren't blown out of the water, nobody launched the ICBMs.

All because they couldn't follow the agreed procedures. Pathetic. But it seems applauded by you.

Any more links you want just ask.

It's a lovely little fairy story, but it has nothing to do with "Freedom of Navigation".

All this is is Russia claiming international waters as its own - well why the fuck not, they stole Crimea, so why not steal the sea around it?

The Russian presentation of the recent clash with Ukrainian navy ships:

FSB holds briefing on Kerch Strait crisis

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Everyone knows Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko needs a diversion from his dismal, corrupt government. Thus the illegal – according to the Minsk agreements – bombing of cities in Donbass and the recent Kerch “incident”.

Poroshenko is polling at a meager 8%. He used the Kerch incident to declare martial law. He wanted three months, but Kiev’s legislature gave him just one. He is bound to lose the next elections. Meanwhile, over two million Ukrainians have already voted with their feet and sought refuge in Russia. Poroshenko can’t afford to launch a full-scale war on Donbass with no weapons, funds and little support from the EU.

For four years, Poroshenko has used a propaganda tsunami to manipulate the Ukrainian far right, which always abhorred Russians, Poles and Jews, to direct their blind hate towards Russians, the country’s largest minority. But that was not enough to “solve” any of the myriad problems of a de facto failed state.

After Washington destroyed any possible detente with Moscow, President Putin’s position remains very clear, as expressed during the 15th anniversary of the Valdai International Discussion Club in Sochi last October:

“Crimea is our land. We are still not going anywhere. Why is it our land? Not because we went there and took it… People came to a referendum in Crimea and voted for independence, first, and then for being part of Russia. Let me remind you for the hundredth time that there was no referendum in Kosovo, only the parliament voted for independence, that was all. Everyone who wanted to support and destroy the former Yugoslavia said: well, thank God, we are fine with that. Here, however, they disagree. Ok then, let’s have a discussion, go over the UN documents, see what the UN Charter is all about, and where it talks about the right of nations to self-determination. This will be an endless discussion. However, we proceed based on the will expressed by the people who live on that territory.”

Putin Destroys Provocative Ukrainian Journalist
(yesterday on his press conference 3.5 hours)

During the 14th annual Q&A marathon with the President of Russia, Ukrainian journalist Roman Tsymbalyuk asked a string of questions that were rhetorical in nature and bore a provocative character. However, Vladimir Putin was having none of it and Mr. Tsymbalyuk received answers he was not expecting. A dose of reality, maybe?

^3:51....i'd like to get naked with her

Another "provocation":

World War 3: Russia moves missile warship into Azov Sea ready for showdown

A RUSSIAN missile frigate is moving in the direction of the Azov Sea from Crimea amid World War 3 tensions between Moscow and Ukraine.

PUBLISHED: 00:05, Sat, Dec 22, 2018

The frigate was spotted 1.5 nautical miles off the Crimean coast in the area of the town of Feodosia. A helicopter was visible onboard, the witness said. Tensions are high in the area after Vladimir Putin’s warships opened fire on three Ukrainian ships in the Black Sea on November 25.
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The frigate sighting comes after Russia insisted it is not increasing its military presence in the Sea of ​​Azov.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said forces are guarding the Crimean Bridge.

She said: “Russia is not increasing its military presence in the Sea of Azov, there are no Russian naval bases there, the forces that are there are used to guard the Crimean Bridge.

"I will remind you that from the very beginning of statements about this infrastructure facility's construction plans, we have heard direct calls by Ukrainian officials - politicians and security officials, who obey the Kiev regime - to destroy it.

"These forces are also used to ensure the safety of navigation."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...issile-warship

^While:
UK warship docks in Odesa as British MPs visit Sea of Azov
Published Dec. 20 at 6:36 pm


A British Royal Marine mans the stern-mounted machine gun aboard HMS Echo, a survey ship from the British Royal Navy, as it's docked in the port city of Odesa. The ship arrived in the Ukrainian Black Sea on Dec. 19 as part of a U.K. strategic mission to support Ukrainian freedom of navigation. A day later, British lawmakers began a 3-day visit to the troubled Sea of Azov.

HMS Echo, a multi-role, oceanographic survey ship from the British Royal Navy docked in Ukraine’s southeastern coastal city of Odesa on Dec. 19, one day before a group of key British lawmakers also arrived in Ukraine for an official visit to the troubled Sea of Azov.

The British warship was due to deploy to the Black Sea in early 2019, under an agreement with Ukraine, as part of U.K. strategic plans for a freedom of navigation maneuver in support of the country. The ship can remain in the Black Sea for up to 21 days, according to international law.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...a-of-azov.html