Thread: U.S. launches missile strikes in Syria

Originally Posted by bsnub

Logical deduction. Clearly a trait you are lacking.

why can't you have a debate with someone you disagree with, without hurling insults?

did you learn this behavior playing online vdo games with kids every night while getting drunk?

anyways:

1. the organization for the prevention of chemical weapons (OPCW) hasn't even started their investigation, yet.

2. maybe you've forgotten that mattis said a couple months ago that it hasn't been proven that the assad government was behind the last gas attack:

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by bsnub

If you are stupid enough to believe anything that Russia says. But then again you are that stupid.

Now Mattis Admits There Was No Evidence Assad Used Poison Gas on His People: Opinion

Newsweek

2/8/18

Serious, experienced chemical weapons experts and investigators such as Hans Blix, Scott Ritter, Gareth Porter and Theodore Postol have all cast doubt on “official” American narratives regarding President Assad employing Sarin.These analysts have all focused on the technical aspects of the two attacks and found them not to be consistent with the use of nation-state quality Sarin munitions.


The White House Memorandum on Khan Sheikhoun seemed to rely heavily on testimony from the Syrian White Helmets who were filmed at the scene having contact with supposed Sarin-tainted casualties and not suffering any ill effects.

Likewise, these same actors were filmed wearing chemical weapons training suits around the supposed “point of impact” in Khan Sheikhoun, something which makes their testimony (and samples) highly suspect. A training suit offers no protection at all, and these people would all be dead if they had come into contact with real military-grade Sarin.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

why can't you have a debate with someone you disagree with, without hurling insults?

That was not an insult. I will entertain you..

So who did it then?

Originally Posted by bsnub

So who did it then?

don't know and will wait for the OPCW to finish its investigation.

while you're sure it wasn't Jaysh al-Islam (the islamic terrorists) who did it.

i don't think it was the assad forces as they were just about finished defeating the terrorists in that area.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by bsnub

the one thing I know for sure it was not the rebels that used it. That shit ain't flying.

Syria war: What we know about Douma 'chemical attack' - BBC News

In March, troops split the region into three pockets - the largest of which was around Douma, home to between 80,000 and 150,000 people. Facing defeat, rebel groups in the other two pockets agreed to be evacuated to northern Syria.

But the group controlling Douma, Jaysh al-Islam, continued to hold out. On Friday, after negotiations with the government stalled, air strikes resumed.

President Assad arrives for work today ... [Video]

https://twitter.com/Presidency_Sy/st...35128794644480

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

while you're sure it wasn't Jaysh al-Islam (the islamic terrorists) who did it.

ISIS has never been able to manufacture Sarin gas. If they could they would have used it. Jaysh has nowhere near the capability of IS so assuming they are to blame defies logic.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

i don't think it was the assad forces as they were just about finished defeating the terrorists in that area.

That really is an absurd statement. Assad is a sociopath who gains pleasure from punishing those who oppose him regardless of whether they are rebels or civilians. It is no different from Saddam gassing the Kurds. Forgot about this;

Originally Posted by bsnub

That really is an absurd statement. Assad is a sociopath who gains pleasure from punishing those who oppose him regardless of whether they are rebels or civilians.

well, bsnub. unless you think the the west should do in syria what it did in iraq (us/uk invasion and occupation), then your feelings about assad don't really matter.

trump should follow his instincts and withdraw all u.s personnel from syria (it was the cia which initiated the civil war, as is known) and let syria (with help from iran and russia) retake all of its territory from terrorists.

while the us/uk can spend their time/resources helping iraq and afghanistan to stabilize and defeat terrorists, if the brits and yanks so desire.

Originally Posted by bsnub

ISIS has never been able to manufacture Sarin gas. If they could they would have used it. Jaysh has nowhere near the capability of IS so assuming they are to blame defies logic.

the white helmets smelled chlorine, apparently. no proof of sarin being used, afaik.

anyways, i'm no chemical weapons expert, of course. so, i'll go with what scott ritter (i followed while opposing the iraq war before the us/uk invasion) has written about the alleged chemical weapons use in syria:

Trump?s Rush to Judgment on Syria Chemical Attack |

Giving the OPCW time to carry out its investigation in Syria would allow a fact-based case to be made.

Originally Posted by bsnub

I am starting to see a pattern here. You definitely a product of the infowars/RT/Sputnik/breitbart propaganda stream.

so, bsnub:

do you think General Jonathan Shaw (previously mentioned), The former commander of British Forces in Iraq is a product of the infowars/RT/Sputnik/breitbart propaganda stream?

yep, i recall being called "anti-american" for opposing the us/uk invasion of iraq.

every day in the months leading up to the invasion, every u.s. news channel had retired generals with maps and figures, talking about how dangerous saddam was.

after a few months of that, most americans actually thought saddam was involved in 911.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.e6398ee60359

September 6, 2003

Nearing the second anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, seven in 10 Americans continue to believe that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had a role in the attacks, even though the Bush administration and congressional investigators say they have no evidence of this.

people are what we call "ordinary authoritarians", it's a mind condition pre-disposed to manipulation and lies, that's how most people are programmed

stupidity is very dangerous,

normal people can be led to mass murder and justify the killing of innocent people by simple orders from a higher authority

this is how we can explain how good peaceful people became Nazi,

I feel a another blowback scenario in your futures.

I bet Harry would make an excellent executioner in Iraq or Syria

Oh do fuck off buttfuck you're getting as tiresome as Jeff.

the UN security council to discuss the air attacks on syria (10 pm thailand time):

UN Live United Nations Web TV

the un secretary general is speaking now: UN Live United Nations Web TV

Freak show........

Thank you, Alex Jones, for standing-up.

Obviously, my plain English point, is totally beyond both your listening-skills, and your reading comprehension levels. I was actually being sarcastic. Butt, even the average dunce likes of a bsnub, is astute enough to grasp that much!

As such, your pathetic little wb racial slur, confirms the fact, that beneath it all, both Farangrakthai_&_bsnub are truly brothers of the same kilt; just different colors of the same,....plaid woven ilk. Congratulations, on your par-level achievement.

Fuck em hard and often.
That's my pennyworth.

ok: tuskegenben: i'll put you down in the same group as bsnub and harry that assad is responsible for the chemical attacks (which the us/uk mainstream media is saying).

you're welcome

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

sigh? you're like bsnub and harry and just want to believe what is told to you by the uk/us mainstream media?

Once again it is deductive reasoning. People such as yourselves are quick as lightning to always absolve Russia and its puppets of any wrong doing. It is predictable as the sunrise. Your theory that the rebels gassed themselves is absurd. But what else to expect from a Russian apologist.

The U.N. Security Council overwhelmingly rejected a Russian resolution calling for condemnation of "aggression" by the United States, United Kingdom and France against Syria on Saturday, a vote reflecting support for the allied airstrikes on Syrian chemical sites.But the vote at the end of an emergency meeting called by Russia also demonstrated again the paralysis of the U.N.'s most powerful body in dealing with Syria's seven-year conflict.

Russia's demand for condemnation and an immediate halt to "aggression" and "any further use of force" by the three Western allies got support from only two other countries on the 15-member Security Council — China and Bolivia.

By contrast, eight countries voted against the Russian draft — the U.S., U.K., France, Netherlands, Sweden, Kuwait, Poland and Ivory Coast. Four countries abstained — Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, Equatorial Guinea and Peru.

At the meeting, the fifth in a week on chemical weapons in Syria, Russia and its supporters again clashed with the U.S. and its allies over a suspected poison gas attack on April 7 in the Damascus suburb of Douma.

The U.S., U.K. and France said they launched airstrikes against Syrian chemical sites after obtaining evidence that a chemical weapon was used by President Bashar Assad's government. Russia and its ally Syria called the attack fabricated and said no evidence of chemical weapons use exists in Douma.

U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley told the council "there is clear information demonstrating Assad's culpability."

And she said President Donald Trump told her Saturday morning that if the Syrian regime uses poisonous gas again "the United States is locked and loaded" to strike again.

"When our president draws a red line, our president enforces the red line," Haley stressed. "The United States of America will not allow the Assad regime to continue using chemical weapons."

France's U.N. Ambassador Francois Delattre said the result of the vote sends "a clear message" that Security Council members recognized the need for the airstrikes, and "their proportional and targeted nature."

"And what's most important is no one contests that the use of chemical weapons cannot be tolerated and must be deterred," he said. "That is essential."

Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia said the meeting confirmed that the U.S. and its allies "continue to put international politics and diplomacy in the realm of myth-making — myths invented in London, Paris and Washington."

"We put facts contrary to your myths," he said. "If we continue on this path, we will soon reach the diplomacy of the absurd."

Russia and Syria also clashed with the three Western allies over the legality of the airstrikes and responsibility for the Security Council's paralysis.

Britain's U.N. Ambassador Karen Pierce blamed Russia for repeatedly vetoing resolutions on the use of chemical weapons in Syria and said the U.K. took military action "to save lives," on the legal basis of "humanitarian intervention."

Britain believes "that is wholly within the principles and practices of the United Nations," she said.

Russia's Nebenzia called it "a very sad day for the world, for the U.N., for its Charter which was blatantly, blatantly violated, and for the Security Council which has shirked its responsibilities."

"I would like to believe that we will not see a day that is worse than today," he said.

Looking ahead, Delattre said France, Britain and the United States will soon be presenting the Security Council with a new draft resolution aimed at achieving a lasting solution to the Syrian conflict that addresses political, chemical and humanitarian issues.

Nebenzia responded saying the environment is "not very conducive for any rapprochement" and "the political and dangerous military situation we are in now" must be sorted out first.

"Once again, we demand an immediate stop to aggression and refrain from the illegal use of force in the future," he said.

U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, who briefed the council before the vote, stressed again "the need to avoid the situation from spiraling out of control" and for a political solution.

Guterres said he has asked Syrian special envoy Staffan de Mistura to come to New York as soon as possible to consult "on the most effective way to accelerate the political process."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/un-reject...183048462.html

Originally Posted by bsnub

...Delattre said France, Britain and the United States will soon be presenting the Security Council with a new draft resolution aimed at achieving a lasting solution to the Syrian conflict that addresses political, chemical and humanitarian issues...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/un-reject...183048462.html

Hurry up, my face is turning blue...