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harry the right wing stooge... what a sad little man
Putin girls choir call others stooges.... Waffle at 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
Mr. Fisk decides for himself what he writes (2g/word I believe), where he goes (he's had his own flack jacket for 20 years) and who he talks too (multilingual?).Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
The OPCW team are told by their own OPCW UNDSS where and when they can move, Health and Safety it's called or possibly the OPCW Insurers on site rep.
:)
Mr. Fisk would not have entered Douma without the aid of the Syrian government. It is surrounded, remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
And yes, Mr. Fisk can choose what he wants to report... and for a long time now he has chosen anything that suits his preferred narrative rather than objective reporting.
The irony of that last sentence obviously eludes you.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Fisk entered Douma after the Syrian government had retaken the area. He states clearly in the article that the doctor who said there was no gas attack wasn’t present at the time of the supposed attack and that those who were had left thr area in need order to report to the OPCW. He also talked to a number of civilians and nobody agreed that there had been a gas attack.
However as his fairly neutral reporting does not suit your preferred narrative you, as usual attack the messenger.
He talked of being escorted by two "Syrian friends" into an area control by Syrians and Russians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Begbie
I'm pretty sure anyone around that lot is going to say "Yes, there was a gas attack".
And yet, with infinite irony, he labels his piece "The Search for Truth....".
:rolleyes:
And yet here's the supposed real truth:
The Russians and Syrians know the shelf life of chemical weapons. They will know exactly how long they take to break down after use.Quote:
At the same time, inspectors from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are currently blocked from coming here to the site of the alleged gas attack themselves, ostensibly because they lacked the correct UN permits.
Hence the entirely predictable delays in allowing the OPCW in.
Of course Fisk claims it's because they did not have the right "UN Permits" when a little bit of delving would probably find that they were waiting for their security team to get clearance to enter Douma.
"Neutral reporting" my arse.
^twist doctor
Meanwhile the OPCW investigation team are STILL not able to enter the site, which is completely under the control of Russia and Syria, because....
Which I also predicted five or six days ago.Quote:
On Wednesday, a source told Reuters news agency that OPCW Director General Ahmet Uzumcu had informed a closed-door meeting in The Hague that the security team came under gunfire while doing reconnaissance in Douma.
What a fucking surprise.
They are so utterly predictable and the Putin girls choir will swallow it whole.
Syria 'chemical attack': OPCW Douma visit 'delayed by security issue' - BBC News
they came under gunfire from US backed rebels :rolleyes: first the US bombs the area to make it more difficult to access, then they stir up the rebels to take potshots at the investigators... what is the US trying to stop them from finding out..?
twas but common flu
same as putin , when he was fcuked by monkeys in the DRC
You have such a cretinous selective memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
Who was it who posted the staged "celebrations" from Douma?Quote:
Meanwhile the OPCW investigation team are STILL not able to enter the site, which is completely under the control of Russia and Syria, because....
There are no "US rebels" there you moron.
Syria has been crowing about driving them out.
Fuckwit, you can't even remember your own baloney.
:rofl:
harry getting all sweary and frothy as usual when he's talking shit
The statement from the Russian OPCW rep. Still bitching about the UK and highlighting some known "problems".
Statement of A.Shulgin at the OPCW EC - P.R. OF RUSSIA TO THE OPCW
- P.R. OF RUSSIA TO THE OPCW/
- Statement of A.Shulgin at the OPCW EC
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=11916&stc=1
"Permanent Representation of the Russian Federation to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) is working in The Hague (the Kingdom of the Netherlands) on a permanent basis. It is involved in consultation with the Technical Secretariat of the OPCW, other delegations, and on behalf of the Russian Federation participates in the activities conducted by Organization, and provides connection between Technical Secretariat and Russian National Authority (Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia) responsible for implementing the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on their Destruction.
Sessions of policy-making organs of the OPCW are held on a regular basis throughout the year: there are three sessions of the Executive Council and one session of Conference of the State-Parties at the end of a year. Russian Permanent Representation to the OPCW informs Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia about developments in discussions on current issues during informal consultations conducted in the intercessional period and supports Russian delegations which come to take part in the work of the policy-making organs.
Mr. Chairperson,I would like to start my speech with the words that belong to the great thinker Martin Luther, “A lie is like a snowball: the further you roll it, the bigger it becomes”.
This wise aphorism is fully applicable to politics. He who has chosen the path of deception will have to lie again and again, making up explanations for discrepancies, spreading disinformation and doing forgery, desperately using all means to cover the tracks of the lies and to hide the truth.
The United Kingdom has entered this slippery path. We can clearly see all of this on the example of the “Skripal case” fabricated by the British authorities, this poorly disguised anti-Russian provocation accompanied by an unprecedented propaganda campaign, taken up by a group of countries, and the finalized unprecedented expulsion of diplomats under a far-fetched pretext. Please, do not try to pass this group for the international community – it is far from that.
It has already been a month since the Prime Minister of Great Britain Theresa May put forward some extremely serious accusations against Russia of the alleged use of chemical weapons. We have been waiting for an explanation for a long time, counting on our British colleagues to eventually back up these loud statements with some at least halfway intelligible facts. We have repeatedly proposed to them to work together on the investigation of the events in Salisbury, have been requesting information. The response consisted in haughty, arrogant statements saying Russia should confess to the crime.
The British side continues to scatter absolutely unfounded accusations, disseminating more and more new, often senseless, versions of the events. The British politicians and officials simply cannot stop anymore and continue pouring down new torrents of lies. London sabotages every attempt to conduct a truly objective investigation into the incident in Salisbury with the participation of Russian experts. They have classified everything, supposedly conducting their own national investigation. Although the “responsible” have already been designated.
Why they are doing this is obvious. Great Britain strives to avoid at all costs the establishment of the truth about the events, hide all evidence, which could unmask them. They are simply playing for time. Because the further it gets – the more difficult it will be to figure out what really did (or did not) happen in Salisbury.
The lie always fears the truth, for the truth is the most terrifying weapon against lies. Let us, therefore, turn to the naked facts which demonstrate how insolently and clumsily the British government is disseminating the insinuations regarding the “Skripal case”.
LIE №1
Russia does not respond to any legitimate questions made by the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018 through the Ambassador of the Russian Federation to London A.V. Yakovenko (some of the allies of the United Kingdom keep repeating this like a mantra).
I would like to remind you that the British side has suggested that we confess to one of the two versions it has made up: either the poisoning of Sergey and Yulia Skripal was a purposeful action by Russia, or Russia has lost control over the arsenal of chemical weapons it allegedly has. Despite the brazen nature of this ultimatum, we definitely did not ignore it, but immediately gave an unequivocal answer: Russia has nothing to do with the chemical incident in Salisbury. Great Britain has not contacted us with any other questions.
LIE №2
Great Britain acts in strict compliance with the Chemical Weapons Convention.
The facts demonstrate exactly the opposite. Thus, the Article IX of the Convention stipulates that States Parties shall conduct bilateral consultations on any ambiguous issues. We see that in reality the United Kingdom has avoided complying with this provision and still refuses to interact with us. As far as the British ultimatum communicated through the Ambassador of the Russian Federation I have mentioned is concerned, it cannot in any way be considered a “proposal of cooperation” in the sense of the CWC or a “request for legal assistance”.
On our part, on April 13, we sent through the Technical Secretariat a note to the British side under the Paragraph 2 Article IX with a list of legitimate questions that we have regarding the “Skripal case”. We have been acting strictly in accordance with the Convention and expected that our partners from London would do the same. There still has been no response. It is as if the United Kingdom did not notice the Convention at all or did not want to act in accordance with its norms.
We also witnessed how London came up with a new form of work – “the independent verification by the Technical Secretariat of the OPCW of the British side’s findings.” I would like to underscore: there is nothing like this in the Convention. This is an invention by the United Kingdom. Instead of precisely following the provisions of the Convention, the United Kingdom tries to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes.
LIE №3
Russia refuses to cooperate in establishing the truth.In the reality, it is exactly the opposite. Russia is extremely interested – probably, even more than any other country – in an honest, open and impartial investigation of the incident in Salisbury. We have repeatedly proposed, asked, demanded from the British side to cooperate in the investigation. We have put forward for the consideration of the 57th extraordinary session of the Executive Council a draft decision that contained the call for Russia and Great Britain to establish such interaction with the involvement of the Technical Secretariat. We expressed then and confirm now our readiness to cooperate with the OPCW and within the OPCW.
Unfortunately, all of our efforts stumble into a blind wall of complete unwillingness of London to interact.
LIE №4
The United Kingdom claims that Russia, allegedly, infinitely multiplies its versions of the chemical incident in Salisbury trying to divert from itself the wave of criticism for the alleged use of chemical weapons on the British soil.In the reality, this is what the British side has been doing, disseminating through its so-called “independent” media the infinite versions: the poison first was in the suitcase, then on the door handle, then in the buckwheat, then at the restaurant, then in the flower bouquet, then in the ventilation system of the car, then in perfume, etc.
LIE №5
The Russian leadership has allegedly stated that the extermination of traitors abroad is the state policy of the Russian Federation.This is slander and complete nonsense. Let them demonstrate where they saw this. Obviously, the United Kingdom will not be able to present a single example of a statement of this kind because nothing similar has ever been said by the Russian leadership.
LIE №6
The conclusions made by the experts of the Technical Secretariat based on the results of the analysis of samples collected from the Skripal father and daughter confirmed that they had been poisoned with a substance from the “Novichok” family.
Our military experts are ready to present their evaluation of what was said in the report by the Technical Secretariat based on the results of the work of the group of specialists in the United Kingdom.For now, I will only say one thing: the claim that the Technical Secretariat confirmed that this chemical points to its Russian origin is an outright lie. The report itself does not say a single word about the name “Novichok”; the CWC simply does not contain such a concept. And in the report by the Technical Secretariat there is also no confirmation of the “Russian footprint” in the chemical substance found in Salisbury.Nevertheless, the British authorities immediately disseminated in the world media the fake news that the OPCW supposedly confirmed that the Skripals were poisoned with “Novichok”, and that the latter, they say, was developed in the USSR and Russia only, hence Moscow is to blame. This is how the findings of the report by the Technical Secretariat are being falsified.
LIE №7
The so-called “Novichok” is a Soviet invention and it, supposedly, could have been produced only in Russia.It is necessary to remind that “Novichok” is the name invented in the West for a group of chemical agents which were developed in many countries, including in the United Kingdom. In one of his recent interviews, the Secretary of State Boris Johnson confirmed that the United Kingdom has samples of this substance at the laboratory in Porton Down. Actually, we have a lot of questions to ask this laboratory. It would be interesting to know how they determined that the Skripals had been poisoned with a “Novichok”-type nerve agent. Because any reasonable person would understand that you can establish this if you have the original component to which you can compare the chemical which has been found. It follows that this laboratory has a stock of “Novichok”, and, possibly, also the antidotes which were used in the Skripals’ treatment.
In Russia, there has never been any research and development or experimental work conducted as part of a programme under the name of “Novichok”. I reiterate, there has never been a programme with such a name. In the Soviet times, starting with the 1970s, not only the Soviet, but also the British and American scientists were working on creating new types of nerve agents. This is how the famous VX nerve gas was created. And in the 1990s, after the breakup of the USSR, the Western special services exported from Russia a group of chemists together with the documentation. The specialists in the West began to closely study the documents and, based on them, started working in this direction, achieved certain results, which were made public.
We know very well that the “Novichok”-type nerve agents were in production in a number of countries. And, unlike our Western partners, who are constantly rolling their eyes and saying that they know something but that it, as they say, is intelligence data and they cannot reveal it, we operate in a different fashion. We work with open sources. Thus, on December 1, 2015, the United States Patent and Trademark Office contacted the Russian agency responsible for issues concerning patents with a request to check the patentability of an invention made by an American scientist T. Rubin. Here is this document (demonstration).
This document talks about the invention of a special bullet, the distinctive feature of which is that it has a separate cavity for equipping it with different kinds of toxic agents. When using the mentioned invention, the lethal effect is achieved due to the effect of this toxic agent on the human body. In other words, this ammunition falls under the jurisdiction of the CWC. The principle of operation of the bullet consists in equipping it with binary components which interact with each other upon impact. And this is what we read on the page 11 of this official American document, “At least one of the active substances may be selected from nerve agents including... tabun (GA), sarin (GB), soman (GD), cyclosarin (GF), and VG, …VM, VR, VX, and [attention!] Novichok agents.”
In other words, this document confirms that in the United States the “Novichok”-type nerve agents were not just produced but also patented as a chemical weapon. And not some long time ago, but just a couple of years ago – the patent is dated December 1, 2015.
Moreover, searching by the key word “Novichok” on the digital source google.patents.com you can find over 140 patents issued by the United States, related to the use and protection from exposure to the “Novichok” toxic agent.These are the real facts, not some idle talk, and the response to those who insolently claim that the “Novichok”-type nerve agents existed and were produced in the USSR and Russia.
LIE №8
One of the victims, a Russian citizen Yulia Skripal is, allegedly, avoiding contacts with her relatives and refusing the Russian consular assistance.
Presently, the British authorities are zealously hiding Yulia Skripal from the media and the public. Her whereabouts are unknown. The Russian side, as well as her relatives (her cousin Victoria was refused an entry visa by the British authorities) are being denied access to her. She does not have the opportunity to go back to Russia and undergo medical examination and treatment.
The abovementioned circumstances indicate that, in fact, the Russian citizen Yulia Skripal is being held hostage by the British authorities, held by force on the territory of the United Kingdom, subjected to psychological manipulation.I have given just a few examples of how the British authorities spread disinformation and blatantly lie. This list of disclosures could, probably, go on, but we should probably stop here. It is typical that the United Kingdom is not even thinking about refuting any of their theses, despite the fact that they are completely unfounded.
I have no doubts that in the future, we can await new waves of disinformation, pseudo-leaks to the media, insolent attacks on us by the British officials. But no real evidence will ever be produced.
The United Kingdom demonstrates clear unwillingness to adequately cooperate regarding the investigation of this obscure story. This convinces us that the United Kingdom does not want any truth. They cannot allow it to come to light.The report presented by the Technical Secretariat concerning the British specialists’ findings poses a number of questions and calls for additional detailed examination, including by the British side. Any specialist would understand that the final conclusions can be made only having before your eyes the materials of the chemical and spectral analysis of the mentioned samples. And the Technical Secretariat has passed these materials only to London.We underscore, Russia will not take at face value any conclusions regarding the “Skipal case” until one simple condition is met: the Russian experts will be provided with access to the victims, as well as to the mentioned materials of the OPCW expert analysis and the entire volume of the real information regarding this incident London has at its disposal.
We have solid grounds to believe that all of this is a gross provocation against Russia by the special services of the United Kingdom. And if the British side continues to refuse to cooperate with us, it will only reaffirm our conviction that this is exactly the case.
Mr. Chairperson,One cannot help but recall the following saying: for some people lying is not a means of justification, but a means of defence. On April 16, we heard yet another strange statement: the G7 calls upon Russia to respond to the legitimate questions of the United Kingdom regarding the “Skripal case”. You can consider this statement our response.
At the same time, we would like to hear from the British side the answers to the numerous and specific questions of the Russian Federation regarding the incident in Salisbury. Moreover, we would be grateful if the representatives of the G7 could explain to us why their countries launched a diplomatic war against Russia based on some fakes.
Thank you, Mr. Chairperson.
Please, circulate this statement as an official document of this special OPCW Executive Council session."
https://netherlands.mid.ru/en_GB/web/netherlands-en/-/statement-of-a-shulgin-at-the-opcw-ec
There are other countries reps statements at the OPCW site.
And carefully talking through his arse while reading the statement prepared for him but Putin's private secretary.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
No wonder the Putin girls choir can't get their story straight.
So far the lying Russkies have claimed:
- The attack never happened
- The attack was by "Islamic terrorists"
- The attack was faked by the UK.
If the stupid Russkies can't get their fake story straight, how the fuck can the Putin girls choir be expected to?
:smileylaughing:
any interesting news or development ?
We don't want to hear no stupid arguments, they did it and that's it...Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Stupid arguments are your forte you simpering imbecile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
you are a fooking loon :)Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Not many have the guts to claim that Putin is lying (and his girls choir - whatever it is?) but May and her Melody boys tell nothing but pure truth...Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
All as "highly likely', to some, as the daily chnaging UK accusations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Some possible questions to be answered fully:
1. Do we have faith in the MET investigation?
2. Do we have faith that, as the OPCW decided to limit the analysis and insert yet another CW, BUZZ - for "security" reason, they didn't insert anything else?
3. Do we have faith that the stated introduced of the BUZZ CW does not compromise the "confirmation" of the unknown, publicly confirmed Laboratory grade not weapons grade CW?
4. Are there any analysable chemicals present in BUZZ which are also present in, the "confirmed unknown CW"?
5. Do we have faith the "introduced BUZZ CW" was pure and not tainted with the "confirmed unknown CW"?
6. Who was the "introduced BUZZ CW" supplier?
7. Was "introduced BUZZ CW" tested for quality, prior to be inserted into the "confirmed unknown CW"
8. The OPCW introduced an additional CW to ensure what? The reputation of the OPCW, the reputation of the OPCW labs or the reputation of the requesting country (UK)?
Result:
Many additional unknowns introduced into the samples. They have only muddied the waters unnecessarily and raised more questions to be answered.
This could have been easily proved by analysing the original pre-modified samples but now, that is "high likely" impossible, due to the COC having been destroyed.
The bright spot is that no link to Russia has been proven, as a fact. Just a government's, who has previous in sexing up lies to start wars, "opinon".
The world's jury awaits proven facts not biased opinions.
Transcript from the London High Court of Justice Aug 2022
Defence lawyer: "Reasonable doubt has been introduce M'Lord, I call for this case to be dismissed, M'lord."
The Rt. Honourable Judge 'arry of an obscure ME Principality: "How say the jury"?
The Jury: "Innocent, no evidence has been proven as fact, M'Lord".
The Rt. Honourable Judge 'arry of an obscure ME Principality: "Case dismissed, I award damages to the accused".
The Rt. Honourable Judge 'arry of an obscure ME Principality: "I would like to see Mrs. May and Mr. Johnson in my chambers immediately".
Waffle Waffle.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
^^Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Ther's more ........
that's all he's got... he just here so someone will talk to him
Yes but it doesn't mean anything. It's unattributed nonsense and the "We" is you and Neo (and Klondyke trying hard to join the Putin girls choir).Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
:)
Waffle Waffle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
Let the litany of PUSSR excuses as to why they can't be interviewed begin.....
https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-36828851.htmlQuote:
Police and intelligence agencies in the UK have identified key suspects in the attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.
Counter-terrorism police are building a case against "persons of interest", who are believed now to be in Russia.
It is thought that a search of flight manifests in and out of the UK has yielded specific names in the hunt for the Skripals' would-be assassins.
Police have also drawn on CCTV footage.
However, counter-terrorism police will hit a diplomatic brick wall in trying to interview - let alone prosecute - the suspects.
Investigators privately admit the difficulties in bringing charges, while any demands made by authorities for access to the "persons of interest" will further ratchet up tensions between the UK and Russia.
Authorities believe Col Skripal (66), a Russian double agent who spied for Britain, was targeted at his home by a Kremlin-backed hit squad that smeared the Novichok nerve agent on his front door.
The emails of Yulia Skripal (33), who lives in Moscow, were monitored prior to her flight to the UK to visit her father, giving the hit squad notice of when he would be at home.
The decontamination of Salisbury began in earnest yesterday with cordons in place in nine "hot spots". Officials insisted the city is still safe for residents and visitors.
Irish Independent
the forgot to add 'deadly' Novichock nerve agent... has Novichock now been degraded in line with it's effectiveness harry?
I wouldn't know Neo, I'm not a chemical weapons developer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
Are you?
and yet you make bold claims like you were one,Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
redone see below
I presume the evidence will be deemed "highly likely" and unfortunately top secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Lets hope the Red Fedora ones are of better quality than, the White Helmets ones. The reds are coming, the reds are coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_co...&v=XnS49c9KZw8
Well done Trainee Constable 'arry 6969. Now go and make us a nice cup of tea and complete the paperwork.
'arry's proof:
Evening All.
These are our latest mockups, some taken with police issue body cameras - good COC, some from our top secret spy satellites - say no more and lastly, a composite I personally knocked up using MS Paint - thank you for your contribution to my pension fund.
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=11973&stc=1
#1: Not many brown bears to be found in Salisbury, but lots in Russia! Jury members who watch BBC nature programmes, jury guilty vote.
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=11974&stc=1
#2: Brown bear shit found in the ex double agent's back garden. Jury members unknown, anyone with glass topped coffee tables, guilty vote
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=11975&stc=1
#3: Brown bear tooth was found embedded in the Gerbils rectum. Jury members who wear dentures, guilty vote.
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=11972&stc=1
#4: Brown bear prints in the drive and lo and behold some car keys, for a Lada. Jury members who own a BMW, guilty vote.
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=11969&stc=1
#5: Person of interest "captured " on Wiltshire CC CCTV camera. Comment from Agent Bond, "TC 'arry do we not have any stock images of the bear carrying the slaughtered, body of a 8 year old virgin, blood dripping from her mouth/nose/other unnamed orifices onto her purest white, exposed chest/inner thighs etc.,we could use? Jury members who have paedophilia tendencies, guilty vote.
If anybody knows the whereabouts of this person please call Trainee Constable 'arry on Salisbury 6969. (Free call, but your mobile number will be recorded, so no funny Russian accented, voices to hide your identity).
Do not approach as he is known to be dangerous. (He secretly agreed with another politicians opinion that 100,000s of Iraqi childrens deaths, "were worth it".)
:)
You definitely need to ask for stronger meds.
:)
If I had stuffed in me wh that bloke did, I right want some good meds to follow.
Look again it's been edited to include more misleading, suggestive, evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Who do you think they tested the BUZZ on, back in the 70's.
I'd b ill too
Is the old good Skripal still alive? Or has he got a different name?
Ivor Torabollokoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
It's not fair that (and if) he is alive, after such big fuss about him (not speaking about the money spent)...
Or was it (the fuss) substituted by another fuss about the water hoses in Syria? (also quiet somehow now - what will come next?)