Trump to announce Jerusalem as capital of Israel

**HermantheGerman** · 15-05-2018, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

South Africa withdraws ambassador from Israel

The South African government is a fervent supporter of the Palestinian cause and South Africa’s relations with Israel have long been frosty."

Maybe South Africa is afraid of loosing its status of being the most crime ridden, corrupt country in the world ?
But with 49 killings a day, (not counting rape

) they will never loose this status.

C'mmon OhOh ! What a sorry lame ass comparison. You can do better then that.
Suggestion: how about you telling us on how your favourit countries like Russia and China deal with muslims.
And the other apologists, on how peacefull other religions live in dominant muslim country.

**raycarey** · 15-05-2018, 11:59 AM

yesterday the white house referred to gaza as 'southern israel'.

i've never heard a US administration say that before.

ever.

there can be no doubt that they want conflict and chaos.

btw, trump moving the embassy was for domestic consumption....more specifically his base...international relations be damned...he needs evangelicals to come out in november.

does anyone really think trump gives a shit about israel or jews?

i'm sure he was nearly apoplectic when his daughter converted for marriage.

**jabir** · 15-05-2018, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

South Africa withdraws ambassador from Israel

Trump to announce Jerusalem as capital of Israel-sa-embassy-jpg

"South Africa has withdrawn its Ambassador to Israel following the killing of Palestinian protestors at the Gaza border. The South African government said in a statement on Monday that it “condemns in the strongest terms possible, the latest acts of violent aggression carried out by Israeli armed forces”.

According to the statement, the South African government took the decision to recall Ambassador Sisa Ngombane until further notice, owing to the indiscriminate nature and gravity of the Israeli attack.

In it South Africa reiterates its view that the Israeli Defence Force must withdraw from the Gaza Strip and bring to an end the violent and destructive incursions into Palestinian territory.

The government has also reiterated calls made by several member states of the United Nations for an independent inquiry into the killings with a view to holding to account those responsible.

The South African government is a fervent supporter of the Palestinian cause and South Africa’s relations with Israel have long been frosty."

https://www.von.gov.ng/south-africa-...r-from-israel/

The 'protests' have been going on for weeks, so it must be a coincidence that SAfrican outrage surfaces with the embassy move; probably worth a badly needed hospital or two.

But one on the side of god is a majority, in this case Trump satisfied his election pledge to move the embassy, and those who don't like it can earn brownie points by withdrawing their ambassadors for a few days on some pretext or other.

Now done, will be interesting to see if a future Democrat POTUS reverses the decision, and if it will be in their election manifesto.

**bsnub** · 15-05-2018, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

there can be no doubt that they want conflict and chaos.

They are complete and utter morons. A bunch of bumbling idiots who have not a clue what they are doing.

**jabir** · 15-05-2018, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by uncle junior

Alienate Iran and empower Bibi...ME peace just around the corner.....Jared's drawing up the accords now

Does anyone believe the embassy move will contribute toward a lasting peace?

**Cujo** · 15-05-2018, 12:45 PM

55 HUMANS DEAD, AT LEAST 2 OF THEM CHILDREN, AS A DIRECT RESULT OF TRUMPS ACTIONS.
If Trum hadn't moved the embassy these people would still be alive.

Israel faces outcry over Gaza killings during Jerusalem embassy protests
Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel obliged to ‘defend its borders’ after dozens of protesters die during Gaza’s bloodiest day since 2014 war.

Israel faced international condemnation after Gaza had its bloodiest day in years on Monday when Israeli forces killed 55 Palestinians and wounded at least 1,200 during protests against the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem.

The funerals of those killed are expected to take place in the coastal enclave today, coinciding with the day Palestinians mark the “Nakba”, or catastrophe, commemorating the more than 700,000 Palestinians who fled or were expelled from their homes in the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s creation.

The UN human rights chief, Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein, decried Monday’s “shocking killing of dozens”, saying “those responsible for outrageous human rights violations must be held to account”.

Turkey said it would recall its ambassadors to the US and Israel, and its president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, described Israel’s actions as “genocide”. South Africa also recalled its ambassador in protest at the “violent aggression carried out by Israeli armed forces”.

French president Emmanuel Macron “condemned the violence of the Israeli armed forces against protesters” in a telephone conversation with Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas and Jordan’s King Abdullah II. He also reaffirmed criticism of the US decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem.

Kuwait requested an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, which diplomats later told AFP the US had blocked.

Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, joined the US in blaming Hamas for the deaths, and defended his country’s use of force, saying “every country has the obligation to defend its borders”.

Fatal clashes in Gaza after opening of US embassy – in pictures
The violent scenes on Monday contrasted sharply with the glossy inauguration of Washington’s new mission about 60 miles away in an affluent Jerusalem neighbourhood. The US president’s daughter, Ivanka Trump, celebrated the opening to clapping and cheering from American and Israeli VIPs.

In Gaza’s hospitals, dozens of casualties were in a critical condition, and medics said the dead included a 14-year-old boy. There were reports that a man in a wheelchair who had been pictured using a slingshot had also been killed.

The sky was blackened with thick smoke as protesters lit tyres. Intermittent sniper fire was heard and crowds of protesters were seen rushing towards the fence, although Israel’s military said none had managed to breach it.

Fury and desperation at Trump’s December declaration on the embassy helped to ignite the six-week protest movement. To international condemnation, Israeli snipers have regularly fired on demonstrators in past rallies. Monday’s shootings raised the total deaths close to 100 and made it the bloodiest day in the coastal enclave since the 2014 war.

Gaza’s rulers Hamas has fought three conflicts with Israel but say they support peaceful ideals advocated by civilian protest leaders.

Donald Trump, who had tweeted that Monday was a “great day for Israel”, did not attend the embassy opening but spoke in a video message, saying he extended “a hand in friendship to Israel, the Palestinians and to all of their neighbours. May there be peace.”

Amnesty International criticised the bloodshed as “another horrific example of the Israeli military using excessive force and live ammunition in a totally deplorable way”.

At the ceremony in Jerusalem, Washington’s ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, stood on a stage painted with the US flag and said: “Today’s historic event is attributed to the vision, courage, and moral clarity of one person to whom we owe an enormous and eternal debt of gratitude: President Donald J Trump.” The crowd cheered and gave a standing ovation.

The only direct reference to the bloodshed came from Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who said: “As we have seen from the protests of the last month and even today those provoking violence are part of the problem and not part of the solution.”

In Washington, the White House deputy press secretary Raj Shah was repeatedly challenged to condemn the Israeli response. “We believe Hamas is responsible for these tragic deaths,” he told reporters. “Their rather cynical exploitation of the situation is what’s leading to these deaths and we want it stopped.”

Israel has portrayed the protests as a terrorist ploy by Hamas. Naftali Bennett, Israel’s education minister, told Israel Radio that anyone who approached the fence would be considered a terrorist. A foreign ministry spokesman labelled protesters “murderous rioters”.

The army said it had almost doubled the number of troops surrounding Gaza and in the occupied West Bank on Monday.

The Israel Defence Forces said in a statement: “The rioters are hurling firebombs and explosive devices towards the security fence and IDF forces, and are burning tires, throwing rocks and launching flaming objects in order to ignite fires in Israeli territory and harm IDF troops.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...bassy-protests

**HermantheGerman** · 15-05-2018, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

French president Emmanuel Macron “condemned the violence of the Israeli armed forces against protesters” in a telephone conversation with Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas and Jordan’s King Abdullah II. He also reaffirmed criticism of the US decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem.

Any criticism of the Arab decision to move jews out of France ?
Get your country in shape you slimy froglegged attention whore !

More french people have died of terror these last few years then in Israel.

....then again....maybe he is just talkin BS in order to keep his 5 million whackos in place

**jabir** · 15-05-2018, 02:38 PM

Just had lunch with a lawyer mate who argued that the alternative to defending the border would be far worse; if the IDF backed off under the genius guidance of a clueless international community, allowing thousands of angry young men to breach the fences and enter Israel...what then? Sure they 'might' wander around scrumping oranges, for the truly dumb, but more likely they would threaten Israeli civilian communities and be wiped out.

**tomcat** · 15-05-2018, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by jabir

allowing thousands of angry young men to breach the fences and enter Israel

...fortunately, that's not the only option...

**uncle junior** · 15-05-2018, 03:11 PM

Diplomacy might work

**uncle junior** · 15-05-2018, 03:15 PM

Compromise solutions....people talking...give and take....stuff like that

**jabir** · 15-05-2018, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by uncle junior

Diplomacy might work

Can't see diplomacy working while rocks are flying one way and bullets the other, and ftr what's happening right now is a result of consistent diplomatic failure for more than half a century.

**Fluke** · 15-05-2018, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

55 HUMANS DEAD, AT LEAST 2 OF THEM CHILDREN, AS A DIRECT RESULT OF TRUMPS ACTIONS.
If Trum hadn't moved the embassy these people would still be alive.

If the people would not have lunched an attack on Israel, they would still be alive .

**tomcat** · 15-05-2018, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Fluke

If the people would not have lunched an attack on Israel, they would still be alive

...certainly: malnourished, under-educated, poverty-stricken, jobless and burdened by poor health care, but...hey: alive!...

**Cujo** · 15-05-2018, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Fluke

If the people would not have lunched an attack on Israel, they would still be alive .

If Trump hadn't moved the embassy IN THE FIRST PLACE they wouldn't have attacked.

**Fluke** · 15-05-2018, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

If Trump hadn't moved the embassy IN THE FIRST PLACE they wouldn't have attacked.

They still would have attacked, because this protest isnt about the Embassy moving .

**jabir** · 15-05-2018, 06:40 PM

Al Jazeera and BBC report a baby and two kids killed, neither questioned what they were doing in a live fire zone, mine would be despatched in the other direction.

**Cujo** · 15-05-2018, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by jabir

Al Jazeera and BBC report a baby and two kids killed, neither questioned what they were doing in a live fire zone, mine would be despatched in the other direction.

Why the fuck is it a live fire zone?

**buriramboy** · 15-05-2018, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

Why the fuck is it a live fire zone?

Because Israel doesn't have to comply with International law knowing the US will veto any attempted UN action/ resolutions against them. Live fire is only supposed to be used as a last resort when a threat to life but Israel uses it as a first resort as I said previously they have managed to dehumanize Palestinians in the eyes of the rest of the world that no one seems to give a shit.

**tomcat** · 15-05-2018, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

as I said previously they have managed to dehumanize Palestinians in the eyes of the rest of the world

...and you were wrong previously...Israelis may be desensitized to killing Palestinians, but much of the international community recognizes their suffering...

**buriramboy** · 15-05-2018, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by tomcat

...and you were wrong previously...Israelis may be desensitized to killing Palestinians, but much of the international community recognizes their suffering...

I was right before and am right now, they have successfully dehumanized them. As is shown by no international outcry about 50 dead Palestinians, all the feeble pathetic attempts at condemnation can't help but mention Israel's right to defend themselves thus justifying their actions. If any other country did this there would be sanctions or maybe dropping a bomb or 2 but because it's Israel killing Palestinians nothing will happen as no one cares. Will all be for forgotton about this time next month, then the same will happen again rinse and repeat.

**tomcat** · 15-05-2018, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

As is shown by no international outcry about 50 dead Palestinians,

...still wrong......2 ambassadors withdrawn so far and French President Macron will chastise Netanyahu personally by phone...stay tuned for further developments...

**HuangLao** · 15-05-2018, 10:07 PM

Nuke Israel thoroughly.

Problem solved.

**buriramboy** · 15-05-2018, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by tomcat

...still wrong......2 ambassadors withdrawn so far and French President Macron will chastise Netanyahu personally by phone...stay tuned for further developments...

SA withdrawing their Ambassador that will show them.... You are an American, you vote for politicians that enable the status quo and dehumanization of the Palestinians by allowing Israel to kill then at will. Just how many UN resolutions has the US blocked under both demtard and repubtard administrations. Without the US unequivocal support Israel couldn't get away with what it does. But in Israel's defence fair play to them for being able to make America their bitch.

**OhOh** · 15-05-2018, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Russia and China deal with muslims

Like they treat all their citizens, lawfully. Not with bullets, missiles, starvation, stealing their water, putting them in concentration camp....

But you are OK with treating people as slime.

And you wonder why so many around the world deal with you but wash their hands as soon as you leave. Unbelievable your kind have survived until now.

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