Thread: Trump to announce Jerusalem as capital of Israel

Originally Posted by jabir

Imho he's messing with stuff he does not understand.

Well, to be fair, that started the day he began campaigning.

Originally Posted by jabir

Therefore, all activity in the occupied territories since 1967 are illegal and it follows that the legal borders are pre-67.

Unfortunately you're wrong there. I think Golan in particular is destined to be determined as Israeli, and many of the illegal settlements will too...this has been Netanyahu's thrust for over a decade: too big to dismantle, too much of a humanitarian crisis to evacuate, especialy because the settlers are "persecuted Jews".
Israel itself has never proclaimed where it's borders are (all part of their expansion plans since 1947).

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Please define the borders of said "Israel proper".

The border, which everyone agrees upon, apart from the people who do not think that Israel should exist

Originally Posted by Fluke

The border, which everyone agrees upon

take that nonsense somewhere else.

Originally Posted by sabang

By the same measure, it is also the capital of Palestine. But the obvious fact is, all of the political infrastructure, including foreign Embassies, are in Ramallah & Tel Aviv.

Each Country can decide on which city is its Capital , where other Countries put their own Embassy is irrelevant .

Originally Posted by raycarey

take that nonsense somewhere else.

To be fair, that was only half the sentence .
Everyone who accepts Israels right to exist accepts that West Jerusalem is within Israels legal boundaries, as a Country

Originally Posted by Fluke

To be fair, that was only half the sentence .
Everyone who accepts Israels right to exist accepts that West Jerusalem is within Israels legal boundaries, as a Country

So it would make sense to declare West Jerusalem the capital of Israel and East Jerusalem the capital of Palestine.

But of course the blue suede shoes would never have this, they want the fucking lot AND the offshore oil and gas, thieving big-nosed bastards.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So it would make sense to declare West Jerusalem the capital of Israel and East Jerusalem the capital of Palestine.

That wouldnt make any sense at all, because a country that doesnt exist, cannot have a capital city

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So it would make sense to declare West Jerusalem the capital of Israel .

West Jerusalem already is the Capital of Israel, Trump is just thinking about moving the USA Embassy there, and rightly so

Originally Posted by Fluke

West Jerusalem already is the Capital of Israel, Trump is just thinking about moving the USA Embassy there, and rightly so

No, the whole of Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel as far as they are concerned.

Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel (unofficial translation)
Jerusalem, Capital of Israel:
1. Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Law

Most of the international community doesn't agree.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But of course the blue suede shoes would never have this, they want the fucking lot AND the offshore oil and gas, thieving big-nosed bastards.

The area in question East Jerusalem, does contain the Jewish Temple of David, or whats left of it, and thats 2500 years old, hardly theft, more like re gaining

Bibi the Butcher and all his head chopping mates in israel are not Jewish. They are eartern european trash posing as Jewish. They are about as Semitic as Britney Spears.

Originally Posted by Fluke

apart from the people who do not think that Israel should exist

Originally Posted by Fluke

That wouldnt make any sense at all, because a country that doesnt exist, cannot have a capital city

So, on the one hand you casually toss out the old chestnut implying anyone who thinks Israel should not exist (in a very Israeli "We Jews are victims" kind of way) is a nasty person, and on the other hand do not recognise the native people of Palestine and their right to exist in their own country.

You remind me of that gay bigot Jingthing on TVF.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

They are eartern european trash posing as Jewish.

Most of Israeli Jews are Europeans or descendants thereof. They may be Jewish by religion, but are certainly not native to the Levant.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Most of Israeli Jews are Europeans or descendants thereof. They may be Jewish by religion, but are certainly not native to the Levant.

Correct.

We want to return to our homeland! Where? Miami or Romania.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

So, on the one hand you casually toss out the old chestnut implying anyone who thinks Israel should not exist (in a very Israeli "We Jews are victims" kind of way) is a nasty person, and on the other hand do not recognise the native people of Palestine and their right to exist in their own country.

You remind me of that gay bigot Jingthing on TVF.

I didnt not say that people who think that Israel should not exist are "terrible people" and I also didnt say that Palestinians do not have a right to exist as a Country .
Your post is complete nonsense

Originally Posted by Fluke

Everyone who accepts Israels right to exist accepts that West Jerusalem is within Israels legal boundaries, as a Country

no, they don't and that's why the us (both republican and democratic admins) has never moved its embassy to jerusalem.

the us has been waiting for israel and the palestinians to make a peace deal based on the 1967 borders (with some swapping of land taking place).

some deals even call for all of jerusalem to be identified as in international city.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

no, they don't and that's why the us (both republican and democratic admins) has never moved its embassy to jerusalem.

the us has been waiting for israel and the palestinians to make a peace deal based on the 1967 borders (with some swapping of land taking place).

some deals even call for all of jerusalem to be identified as in international city.

West Jerusalem is within the boundaries of Israel proper , no one disputes this (apart from people whos geography isnt very good and they have no idea where the boundary is ) is Arab east Jerusalem, that is the issue .
West Jerusalem is a modern day city , East Jerusalem is the old city and surrounding cluster of shacks that hasnt changed for 1000 years

Originally Posted by Fluke

West Jerusalem is within the boundaries of Israel proper

true, but it's been expanded east with settlements, etc.

so, just saying "west jerusalem is part of israel" is not technically correct.

the 1967 borders are technically correct and are what "land for peace" negotiations are based on, of course.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

true, but it's been expanded east with settlements, etc.

so, just saying "west jerusalem is part of israel" is not technically correct.

the 1967 borders are technically correct and are what "land for peace" negotiations are based on, of course.

West Jerusalem is within the 1967 borders , so, it is indeed technicaly correct

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

the 1967 borders are technically correct

No, that includes land conquered, which by international law should not be annexed or settled. The borders were set in 1947, but no Israeli government has ever officially acknowledged any border. The 1967 "borders" are granted grudgingly because of the victim Jew pity and lobby, and because now it is just too established to evacuate.
Bibi's continued expansion into Palestine is all part of the same long term plan; expand, settle, then become too settled for anyone to be able to kick them out.
The original Likud Party manifesto specifically stated "From the sea to the river" (and there is evidence that the river mentioned is the Euphrates, not the Jordan!).
They have removed that now because it's far too damning of their intent but everyone knows it's still in mind.

Originally Posted by Fluke

West Jerusalem is within the 1967 borders , so, it is indeed technicaly correct

if that's the case, great: israel will be willing to give up all of jerusalem that is east of the 1967 borders.

https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...li-settlements

Shortly after the 1967 war, Israel annexed East Jerusalem, which is part of the West Bank and had a population that was then entirely Palestinian. Israel declared the entire city to be Israel's "eternal and indivisible" capital.

No other country recognizes Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem, with the United States and others saying the city's status must be determined in negotiations. This is why the U.S. and other countries have never moved their embassies to Jerusalem. Most are in Tel Aviv.


The Palestinians, meanwhile, claim the eastern part of the city as their future capital.


Around 200,000 Israelis now live in East Jerusalem. Combined with the roughly 400,000 settlers in the West Bank, about 600,000 Israelis now live beyond the country's 1967 borders. That's nearly 10 percent of Israel's 6.3 million Jewish citizens.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Each Country can decide on which city is its Capital , where other Countries put their own Embassy is irrelevant .

Embassies belong in the capital, elsewhere they are called consulates, missions or something else.

In my young years I had often heard, those neigbours no longer live here, they were Jewish, they moved to Palestine (never was spoken about an "Israel")...