Thread: Shooting at Mandalay Bay Casino

Really is a perfect storm this guy arranged. 400 meters spray & pray into a crowd with a bump stock. Concrete/Asphalt roadway/backstop ensures people will get hit by loads of ricochets & fragmented bullets.

He clearly did his research. He's gonna have an online signature no doubt. He learned about this somehow.

I really want to know his motive.

Originally Posted by Slick

I really want to know his motive.

small cocked closet homosexual

AR15 semi-automatic converted to automatic

AK47 semi-automatic bump stocked to automatic

Originally Posted by Slick

Really is a perfect storm this guy arranged. 400 meters spray & pray into a crowd with a bump stock. Concrete/Asphalt roadway/backstop ensures people will get hit by loads of ricochets & fragmented bullets.

He clearly did his research. He's gonna have an online signature no doubt. He learned about this somehow.

I really want to know his motive.

Oh don't be stupid, he sprayed bullets at a crowd, I doubt he gave a shit about tarmac or anything else.

Just another seppo nutjob with a hatred of himself, the desire to take it out on humanity, and living in a country where arseholes made it easy for him to get the tools to do it.

The Owner of Mandalay Bay Lost Almost a Billion Dollars in Value After the Las Vegas Shooting

Lucinda Shen
Fortune
October 2, 2017

After police say 64-year-old Stephen Paddock killed at least 58 people and wounded more than 500 in the mass shooting at the Route 91 Harvest Festival at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, the casino giant behind the hotel shed about $909 million from its market capitalization on Monday.

Shares of MGM fell nearly 5% in trading Monday, with the casino company’s market capitalization dropping to $17.8 billion after police said Paddock had opened fired at concert goers from the 32nd floor of the nearby Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino. It led the sell-off of casino management companies with a heavy presences on the Las Vegas Strip, with shares of Wynn Resorts, Red Rock Resorts, Caesars Entertainment, and Boyd Gaming all falling following the news. In total, the five casino and hotel companies shed a total of $1.8 billion from their market capitalization by midday Monday as the Las Vegas shooting fanned worries about tourists returning to the strip following the tragedy.

Meanwhile, gun stocks rose.

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/financ...172312438.html

Yeah motive would be real nice to know.

It was a crowd of largely trump supporter types. Been mentioned quite a few times in the media. Saw the same mentioned on Sky News tv just a minute ago.

Here's something interesting I though...

Google, Facebook help spread bad information after Las Vegas attack - Oct. 2, 2017

My question is this...

Why hasn't the president addressed how he's going to fight the "evil" behind the shootings....it's ok to identify evil, it takes balls to grab evil by the pussy and own it.

^^ Are you suggesting all evil is female?

Who didn't see this coming? Stupid cowboys and their fascination with guns. Guns are like a cancer, killing America from the inside out. I'm American. My blood runs red, white, and blue, but I can see the stupidity in gun ownership. What's gonna happen the day all the cowboys go for their guns at once?

Originally Posted by CSFFan

My question is this...

Why hasn't the president addressed how he's going to fight the "evil" behind the shootings....it's ok to identify evil, it takes balls to grab evil by the pussy and own it.

NRA tipped a fuckload of coin into his campaign, he aint gunna do shit.

The guy was probably victimized on an internet forum and wanted revenge on the world.

Finally someone makes some sense.

This is an excellent opinion piece from Steve Israel (apparently a former congressman) and highlights just how and why the NRA has such a disproportionate influence on politics.

It's an interesting perspective from someone who tried (and failed) to implement some controls.

Full article at the link, I've just cut 'n pasted some of the more salient stuff for me:

In the wake of one the deadliest mass shootings in our nation’s history, perhaps the most asked question by Americans is, “Will anything change?” The simple answer is no. The more vital question is, “Why not?”

Congress is already doing what it sees as its part. Flags have been lowered, thoughts and prayers tweeted, and sometime this week it will perform the latest episode in the longest-running drama on C-Span: the moment of silence. It’s how they responded to other mass shootings in Columbine, Herkimer, Tucson, Santa Monica, Hialeah, Terrell, Alturas, Killeen, Isla Vista, Marysville, Chapel Hill, Tyrone, Waco, Charleston, Chattanooga, Lafayette, Roanoke, Roseburg, Colorado Springs, San Bernardino, Birmingham, Fort Hood and Aurora, at Virginia Tech, the Washington Navy Yard, and the congressional baseball game practice, to name too many

[...]

There were moments when I thought, “Finally, we will do something.” I remember sitting at my desk in my district office on Long Island watching the grisly images of the murder of 26 children and adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in 2012, and President Barack Obama with tears streaming down his cheeks. I was confident that at the very least we’d expand background checks or make it harder for people with mental illness to obtain guns.

My confidence ebbed when I heard my colleagues turn this into a debate over the rights of gun owners instead of the right to life of children. In the confines of the members-only elevators, where my colleagues could speak honestly, I heard colleagues confide that any vote for gun safety would lower their N.R.A. scores, making them casualties in the next election

[...]

Then there were the annual rituals in the House Appropriations Committee. Democrats would offer amendments to prevent people on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms. A no-brainer, I thought. If you’re too dangerous to board a plane, you’re too dangerous to buy an assault weapon, a common-sense position shared by over 80 percent of Americans.

[...]

So did our attempts to rescind the infamous Dickey Amendment, which prevents the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from even researching the relationship between gun violence and public health. The Dickey Amendment was so absurd that it was ultimately opposed by its own sponsor, Jay Dickey, an Arkansas Republican. Still, we failed. The result? The government can’t study gun violence but is spending $400,000 analyzing the effects of Swedish massages on rabbits. So at least the rabbits feel safe.

[...]

First, just like everything else in Washington, the gun lobby has become more polarized. The National Rifle Association, once a supporter of sensible gun-safety measures, is now forced to oppose them because of competing organizations. More moderation means less market share. The gun lobby is in a race to see who can become more brazen, more extreme.

Second, congressional redistricting has pulled Republicans so far to the right that anything less than total subservience to the gun lobby is viewed as supporting gun confiscation. The gun lobby score is a litmus test with zero margin for error.

Third, the problem is you, the reader. You’ve become inoculated. You’ll read this essay and others like it, and turn the page or click another link. You’ll watch or listen to the news and shake your head, then flip to another channel or another app. This horrific event will recede into our collective memory.

That’s what the gun lobbyists are counting on. They want you to forget. To accept the deaths of at least 58 children, parents, brothers, sisters, friends as the new normal. To turn this page with one hand, and use the other hand to vote for members of Congress who will rise in another moment of silence this week. And next week. And the foreseeable future.

It's a triumph of propaganda and threats. How the fuck can the NRA manage to block the govt. even studying gun violence - it's bizarre.

And not for nothing, but what's up with the fucked formatting that keeps inserting random 'quote' brackets that can't be removed??

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/o...-shooting.html

The NRA has got the country by the cods.

Originally Posted by bobo746

The NRA has got the country by the cods.

They're masters at muddying the waters. You can see the effects of that in this very thread, Slick's doing his best to spread their propaganda.

They only have 5 million members which isn't even anywhere near a majority of of gun owners (only about 6-7%) yet get to decide policy for 320+ million others. That's fucked.

We get what we tolerate…

John Mandrola, MD

October 3, 2017

Richard Fries, a cycling-safety advocate in Boston, uses the phrase we get what we tolerate to describe the dire situation of drivers killing cyclists and pedestrians. Many humans die from these collisions because we tolerate it. An inattentive driver kills a person on a bike; then nothing changes.
The phrase applies well to other dubious policies in the US. Before a gunman slaughtered 60 innocent people with a machine gun in Las Vegas Sunday night, I had planned to use the we get what we tolerate phrase in health care policy.

I was going to argue that US citizens pay too much for medication, navigate a morass of bureaucracy to get to their doctor, and succumb to capricious insurance companies for important medical decisions because we tolerate it. We get an unjust healthcare system because it’s what we tolerate.
Then came another gun massacre.

We also tolerate gun violence. Every damn time a mass slaughter occurs, the “thoughts and prayers” go out, and nothing changes. The comparative graphs of US gun violence to any other country boggle the mind.
During a fishing trip in Alaska this summer, the boat captain told me nearly every Alaskan has a gun. Guns, he said, are necessary if you live in the wilderness. I then asked if they have gun violence in Alaska. “Almost none,” he said.
The thing is: most of the US is not an Alaskan wilderness. Bears do not wander into most of our cities and suburbs. The lack of gun violence in Alaska, therefore, does not argue for arming teachers in suburban schools.
I don’t fancy guns, but I understand some people do. That is fine.
But, similar to the healthcare debate, it seems we could start a civil discourse with new set points. For instance, let’s agree on the notion that citizens need not own assault weapons, which are essentially war machines. Could we at least discuss how to register and regulate gun purchases?

I suspect a majority of citizens–even most gun owners–would favor a ban on assault weapons and some degree of gun registration.
Consider the we get what we tolerate phrase in relation to other public safety issues:
If plane crashes killed a fraction of those killed in gun massacres, there would be an outcry for aviation safety.
When infections threaten the population, people clamor for preventive therapies.

Society gets aviation safety and protection against microbes because we don’t tolerate unsafe planes and the spread of dangerous infections.
When we decide not to tolerate gun violence, dangerous drivers, and an unjust ineffective healthcare system, things might change.
JMM

We get what we tolerate?

Oops.....

we get what we tolerate

Apropos of that, there's an NRA-sponsored bill in congress that would make silencers legal and make it easier to purchase armor-piercing bullets (necessary since deer and other game took to wearing bullet-proof vests I suppose).

As if it weren't already ludicrous enough the argument for silencers is that it's to protect the hearing of hunters yet when it was pointed out that silencers could also be used to mask the sound and flash of gunshots - making it harder for people and law enforcement to know where shots were coming from - the argument was it only lowers the sound by a couple of decibels... which isn't enough to protect hearing.

So *Derp!*

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

there's an NRA-sponsored bill in congress that would make silencers legal

Already legal in most states. I would guess this bill would do away with the tax stamp you have to get from the ATF to buy one but not sure.

Originally Posted by Norton

"House Speaker Paul D. Ryan said Tuesday that Republican leaders have no plans to advance a bill that would make it easier for Americans to buy gun silencers."

That's just code for: 'let's shelve this for the time being because even though we're scumbags in the pocket of the NRA even we know the optics of passing it now would be bad'.

It will be back on the docket once everything has died down.

It was originally on the floor the day that Scalise was shot and was postponed then too.

Dude you can't just pop a scilencer on any firearm. AR15 ammunition is supersonic. Sub-sonic ammunition won't reliably cycle the action.

It doesn't work how you think it works.

And green tip is already legal and easy to buy. Scilencers too just a long wait & tax stamp. Probably why they aren't pushing it.

This from the NY Times.

If only Stephen Paddock had been a Muslim … If only he had shouted “Allahu akbar” before he opened fire on all those concertgoers in Las Vegas … If only he had been a member of ISIS … If only we had a picture of him posing with a Quran in one hand and his semiautomatic rifle in another …
If all of that had happened, no one would be telling us not to dishonor the victims and “politicize” Paddock’s mass murder by talking about preventive remedies.

No, no, no. Then we know what we’d be doing. We’d be scheduling immediate hearings in Congress about the worst domestic terrorism event since 9/11. Then Donald Trump would be tweeting every hour “I told you so,” as he does minutes after every terror attack in Europe, precisely to immediately politicize them. Then there would be immediate calls for a commission of inquiry to see what new laws we need to put in place to make sure this doesn’t happen again. Then we’d be “weighing all options” against the country of origin.

But what happens when the country of origin is us?
What happens when the killer was only a disturbed American armed to the teeth with military-style weapons that he bought legally or acquired easily because of us and our crazy lax gun laws?
Then we know what happens: The president and the Republican Party go into overdrive to ensure that nothing happens. Then they insist — unlike with every ISIS-related terror attack — that the event must not be “politicized” by asking anyone, particularly themselves, to look in the mirror and rethink their opposition to common-sense gun laws.

So let’s review: We will turn the world upside down to track down the last Islamic State fighter in Syria — deploying B-52s, cruise missiles, F-15s, F-22s, F-35s and U-2s. We will ask our best young men and women to make the ultimate sacrifice to kill or capture every last terrorist. And how many Americans has the Islamic State killed in the Middle East? I forget. Is it 15 or 20? And our president never stops telling us that when it comes to ISIS, defeat is not an option, mercy is not on the menu, and he is so tough he even has a defense secretary nicknamed “Mad Dog.”

But when fighting the N.R.A. — the National Rifle Association, which more than any other group has prevented the imposition of common-sense gun-control laws — victory is not an option, moderation is not on the menu and the president and the G.O.P. have no mad dogs, only pussycats.
And they will not ask themselves to make even the smallest sacrifice — one that might risk their seats in Congress — to stand up for legislation that might make it just a little harder for an American to stockpile an arsenal like Paddock did, including 42 guns, some of them assault rifles — 23 in his hotel room and 19 at his home — as well as thousands of rounds of ammunition and some “electronic devices.” Just another deer hunter, I guess

On crushing ISIS, our president and his party are all in. On asking the N.R.A. for even the tiniest moderation, they are AWOL. No matter how many innocents are fatally shot — no matter even that one of their own congressional leaders was critically wounded playing baseball — it’s never time to discuss any serious policy measures to mitigate gun violence.

And in the wake of last month’s unprecedented hurricanes in the Atlantic — that wrought over $200 billion of damage on Houston and Puerto Rico, not to mention smaller cities — Scott Pruitt, Trump’s head of the Environmental Protection Agency, also told us that it was not the time to discuss “the cause and effect” of these superstorms and how to mitigate their damage. We need to focus on helping the victims, he said. But for Pruitt, we know, it’s never time to take climate change seriously.

To take ISIS seriously abroad, but then to do nothing to mitigate these other real threats to our backyards, concert venues and coastal cities, is utter madness.
It’s also corrupt. Because it’s driven by money and greed — by gunmakers and gun sellers and oil and coal companies, and all the legislators and regulators they’ve bought and paid to keep silent. They know full well most Americans don’t want to take away people’s rights to hunt or defend themselves. All we want to take away is the right of someone to amass a military arsenal at home and in a hotel room and use it on innocent Americans when some crazy rage wells up inside him. But the N.R.A. has these cowardly legislators in a choke hold.
What to do?

Forget about persuading these legislators. They are not confused or underinformed. They are either bought or intimidated. Because no honest and decent American lawmaker would look at Las Vegas and Puerto Rico today and say, “I think the smartest and most prudent thing to do for our kids is to just do nothing.”

So there is only one remedy: Get power. If you are as fed up as I am, then register someone to vote or run for office yourself or donate money to someone running to replace these cowardly legislators with a majority for common-sense gun laws. This is about raw power, not persuasion. And the first chance we have to change the balance of power is the 2018 midterm elections. Forget about trying to get anything done before then. Don’t waste your breath.

Just get power. Start now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/o...terrorism.html