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    Embattled Al Jazeera

    Why Saudi Arabia hates Al Jazeera so much
    By Amanda Erickson (WaPo)

    If you want to understand why many Arab world leaders hate Al Jazeera, consider “Sharia and Life.”

    For years, the call-in show was one of the network’s most popular, reaching tens of millions. Viewers would call in and pose their faith questions to Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian cleric and a spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood. People would ask all kinds of things: Is it all right to smoke during Ramadan? Does a female Palestinian woman have to wear a hijab while carrying out a suicide bombing?

    Before Al Jazeera, a show like this would have been unusual in the Arab world, where media is tightly controlled. But the Qatari-owned network has a mandate to produce ambitious journalism on a wide range of subjects (some taboo). It offers, too, a broader range of opinions than most Arab media.

    These qualities have made it the most popular network in the Middle East. It’s also attracted a lot of enemies. Rulers in places such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt resent the station’s broad reach and its willingness to rile up opposition. They don’t like its Islamist bent, and they’re angry that their populations are exposed to reporting critical of their regimes (and supportive of the Qatari agenda).

    Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Bahrain cut ties to Doha in early June. Now an official says they've compiled a list aimed at ending the worst Gulf Arab crisis in years, but only if Qatar complies.

    For years, they’ve called on the station to evolve, or go away. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan have kicked Al Jazeera bureaus out of their countries. Saudi Arabia has also banned hotels from offering the channel. And now Qatar is embroiled in a diplomatic war with a group of Arab states, and shuttering Al Jazeera appears to be one key demand.

    There are about 350 million Arabic speakers across the Middle East. As far back as the 1950s and ’60s, radio stations tried to reach this group. Sawt al-Arab radio, for example, was created by Egypt to spread Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser’s pan-Arabist ideas. (It was so effective that Nasser’s political opponents in Saudi Arabia jammed the station. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)

    In the 1990s, the Saudi royal family began buying Arabic newspapers and sharing them across the region. They also developed a satellite station, MBC, intended for a broad audience. That never quite caught on, but it did show would-be moguls the potential of pan-Arabic media.

    It taught the region’s leaders something else, too: that they might well lose their death grip on the information their populations were able to consume. As Shibley Telhami, who wrote a book on Arab media, explained, “this simultaneous sense of inspiration and threat is likely what inspired the emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, to start Al Jazeera . . . in 1996.” Since then, the country has poured billions into the network.

    Thani had come to power only a year before, and he faced fierce criticism from the Saudi-run newspapers. Al Jazeera, he hoped, would offer a different perspective, and maybe cut into the people consuming Saudi media.

    To build an audience, the channel produced content that would appeal to people. As Telhami explained: “Viewers were exposed to programming that most Arabs hungered for, from opposing opinions to more information on issues they cared deeply about as Arabs and Muslims. This included live footage of bloodshed in Israeli confrontations with the Palestinians — footage that Arab national television broadcasts limited so as not to awaken their public’s passion.”

    The station broke other important barriers, too. It sent reporters to the Israeli Knesset and aired debates live. During the 2008 war in Gaza, Al Jazeera had more reporters on the ground than anyone else, and it was the only station with live coverage. It also, Telhami writes, pushed for “presentation of multiple views, including presenting Israeli views dating back to the 1990s, when few other Arab stations dared do so, as well as airing Bin Laden tapes, Iranian views, and hosting or covering speeches and news conferences of American officials — including then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, American military commanders and spokesmen, and White House and State Department officials — during the Iraq war.”

    These qualities were major selling points. By 2001, it had become the most-watched Arab television station for news. By 2006, more than 75 percent of Arabs called the network their favorite or second-favorite news source.

    The network’s success, however, made it a target of criticism, both from the outside and from within. After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Americans accused the channel of stoking anger and fear about U.S. foreign policy. In 2012, China took action against Al Jazeera English. Indeed, the channel has probably alienated every regional leader at one point or another.

    Al Jazeera Arabic (which is run separately from Al Jazeera English) has also got a reputation for supporting the Muslim Brotherhood. Hugh Miles, the author of “The Al Jazeera Effect,” compared the network with Fox News, telling the Telegraph, a British newspaper, that “Al Jazeera Arabic is very partisan and it supports Islamists. I think that’s a defensible position because there are lots of Islamists and it’s a popular view in many parts of the world. It’s not accepted by other Arab countries, which regard it as seditious and threatening, but they offer another perspective.”

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    ...and I thought it was about the low oil price and an attempt to destabilize the region to get the price to go up!

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    ...so, "it" doesn't refer to the article then...

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    they offer another perspective
    Always problematic.

    I do hope Qatar stands its ground, but it's difficult to see a way through this except by back pedalling.

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    ...face-saving gestures and brotherly hugging and kissing are the only way out of the current mess...Big Brother hates independent thinking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat
    Big Brother hates independent thinking...
    CNN's office in Abu Dhabi is clearly not posing any problems on this front.

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    The English language version of news became extremely popular because it was unfettered by British and US political bias. Having spent a few months living there, I can say there are very few who share Thani's appetite for unblemished truth.
    When his son takes over, the country will slide back to the Middle Ages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    When his son takes over, the country will slide back to the Middle Ages.
    Doubt it: the slide will be more towards a Dubai-type style of control...do (and say) most anything you want, but always praise the current ruling family and avoid sex on the beach...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    I do hope Qatar stands its ground, but it's difficult to see a way through this except by back pedalling
    Hope so as well but agree. The rift between Qatar and the Saudis has been around for years but they managed it. Since the ignorant clown aka Trump visited SA and essentially picked sides, it emboldened the Saudis to put the squeeze on Qatar. The arrogance and duplicity of the Saudi's accusing Qatar of suppoting and promoting terrorism is ludicrous..
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    I do hope Qatar stands its ground, but it's difficult to see a way through this except by back pedalling
    Hope so as well but agree. The rift between Qatar and the Saudis has been around for years but they managed it. Since the ignorant clown aka Trump visited SA and essentially picked sides, it emboldened the Saudis to put the squeeze on Qatar. The arrogance and duplicity of the Saudi's accusing Qatar of suppoting and promoting terrorism is ludicrous..
    I really don't think it was Trump who picked what side a Republican White House is on. If you man the planes for 9/11 and the White House is still on your side then I think it can fairly be called a special relationship.

    But yes, Trump reaffirmed it, just before selling both sides billions of dollars worth of military hardware.

    Business as usual there then...money talks.

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    the current model of video delivery will be outmoded soon enough and will move to distribution methods that will be basically unblockable - peer to peer video streaming

    likely also use mesh techniques so not only GSM radio

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    When his son takes over, the country will slide back to the Middle Ages.
    No, just 'meet the boss...normal service has been resumed...here's a prayer from our sponsors' would be the order of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    I do hope Qatar stands its ground, but it's difficult to see a way through this except by back pedalling
    Hope so as well but agree. The rift between Qatar and the Saudis has been around for years but they managed it. Since the ignorant clown aka Trump visited SA and essentially picked sides, it emboldened the Saudis to put the squeeze on Qatar. The arrogance and duplicity of the Saudi's accusing Qatar of suppoting and promoting terrorism is ludicrous..
    ....and extremely hypocritical, to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    No, just 'meet the boss...normal service has been resumed...here's a prayer from our sponsors' would be the order of the day.
    He really is a nasty piece of work. Given half a chance, he would do exactly as predicted. He has already flexed his considerable political muscle.

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    Possibly Trump reminded the SA leader of the dollars for oil contract and the fact that Qatar is settling their bills to China for Yuan. We know what happens to those that try that option.

    http://www.thenational.ae/business/banking/uae-and-qatar-lead-region-in-yuan-payments-to-china

    There is also the joint gas field with Iran. If the pipeline to Syria/Europe/Russia is ever built. Co-mingling Qatari gas and Iranian gas has two benefits. Iran and Qatar get their gas into Europe and Russia beats the sole gas supplier obstacle that the EU is always bringing up. The co-mingled gas from Iran and Qatar gets mixed with Russia gas which defeats the EU demands. What the % mix will be unknown except to a few.

    It also, if delivered through the NordStream 1 or 2 or a modified South Stream routes, nullifies other EU demands.

    Probably not priced in US$ either.
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    ...^obviously, an RT dream scenario...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Possibly Trump reminded the SA leader of the dollars for oil contract and the fact that Qatar is settling their bills to China for Yuan. We know what happens to those that try that option.

    http://www.thenational.ae/business/banking/uae-and-qatar-lead-region-in-yuan-payments-to-china
    Did you read that article? The first 2 words show your idea/suggestion to be somewhat silly.

    "The UAE and Qatar lead the Middle East in use of the yuan in direct payments with China and Hong Kong..."

    UAE - 74% of all payments
    Qatar - 60% of all payments.

    So how come the UAE is not being blockaded and having sanctions against it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    Did you read that article?
    gauntlet thrown!
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    The first 2 words show your idea/suggestion to be somewhat silly.
    spittle launched!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    So how come the UAE is not being blockaded and having sanctions against it?
    I did notice that the UAE was also in the same boat. However UAE doesn't have such a large gas supply and I believe is not friendly to Iran.

    However your question should be addressed to harry, who I believe sits on the GCC in some capacity.

    Or the SA newly self appointed heir to the throne or why not tweet the golden haired boy (we all know where the golden staining comes from, yes?), he may have an opinion.

    My KGB credentials only get me to their public site, maybe harry can open a backdoor for me.

    As for being "somewhat silly" (I try and amuse and delight all), that's a trait one assumes as one gets more mature, self reliant and less open to blackmail. One day, with good luck, you may attain the same "devil may care" attitude. I hope you noticed, I didn't claim "knowlegable".
    Last edited by OhOh; 30-06-2017 at 05:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    maybe harry can open a backdoor for me
    *pant, pant*...a little RT porn for the masses...

    BTW: check out the huge quantity of trade between Dubai as a trans-shipment center and Iran...The UAE (Dubai anyway) doesn't broadcast it's very profitable trade with its giant northern neighbor...I wonder why that is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Possibly Trump reminded the SA leader of the dollars for oil contract and the fact that Qatar is settling their bills to China for Yuan. We know what happens to those that try that option.
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    So how come the UAE is not being blockaded and having sanctions against it?
    I did notice that the UAE was also in the same boat. However UAE doesn't have such a large gas supply and I believe is not friendly to Iran.
    So, nothing to do with Qatar "settling their bills to China for Yuan", then.



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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Possibly Trump reminded the SA leader of the dollars for oil contract and the fact that Qatar is settling their bills to China for Yuan. We know what happens to those that try that option.

    http://www.thenational.ae/business/banking/uae-and-qatar-lead-region-in-yuan-payments-to-china

    There is also the joint gas field with Iran. If the pipeline to Syria/Europe/Russia is ever built. Co-mingling Qatari gas and Iranian gas has two benefits. Iran and Qatar get their gas into Europe and Russia beats the sole gas supplier obstacle that the EU is always bringing up. The co-mingled gas from Iran and Qatar gets mixed with Russia gas which defeats the EU demands. What the % mix will be unknown except to a few.

    It also, if delivered through the NordStream 1 or 2 or a modified South Stream routes, nullifies other EU demands.

    Probably not priced in US$ either.
    That's assuming the EU is not in ICU by the time the pipeline is built, secured and functioning.

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    ^One likes to believe nobody will actually press the big red button. The winds of change are upon us, gods speed to those that promote the new multilateral world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    So, nothing to do with Qatar "settling their bills to China for Yuan", then.
    I'm not privy to GSC decision making as i expressed previously. Possibly guggling will help you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    maybe harry can open a backdoor for me.
    Best offer Harry's had all week.

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