Thread: Egypt Air flight from Paris to Cairo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

EgyptAir's vice chairman Ahmed Adel
"Any high velocity impact leads to defragmentations,

EgyptAir Flight 804: Final moments questioned - CNN.com


The voice of authority.

Or someone with an educated adviser.

H , Are you trying to say that EgyptAirs vice Chairperson (PC speak) needs an educated advisor?

Of course. He probably only got the job because he's got a cousin high up in the army or something.

Hmm ,you mean the same as here in Thailand ?

Signal From EgyptAir Flight MS804 Could Pinpoint Location of Wreckage

Signals have been picked up from an emergency transmitter on EgyptAir Flight MS804, investigators said Thursday, eight days after the plane crashed into the Mediterranean Sea with 66 people aboard.

Leaders of the Egyptian investigative team said at a news conference in Cairo that signals from one of the three pieces of locator equipment on the plane had allowed them to narrow the primary search to about a 3-mile area.

Ayman al-Muqaddam, the head of the investigation team, said a French ship was moved from Corsica to that location to search for the plane's black box data recorders.

And a second company has been hired to continue search efforts in several other possible locations where the black boxes might be in a radius of 20 naval miles, he said.

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Al-Muqaddam said search teams are racing against time "under difficult conditions" to find the black boxes, whose batteries last for only 30 days — eight of which have already passed.

But "even if we pass the 30-day period without locating the black boxes, we will continue to search, because there are similar accidents where they have found black boxes after a few months," he said.

An official report is expected in about three weeks, he said.

Authorities still don't know what caused the Airbus A320, flying from Paris to Cairo, to disappear from radar in the middle of the night on May 19.

The plane's last automated messages indicated overheating, smoke and computer failures, but air traffic control received no mayday call from the flight crew.

"The most important element of this is we've heard from the wreckage and that they're able to narrow the search area down," said NBC News aviation analyst John Cox, chief executive of Safety Operating Systems of Washington, D.C.

"What kind of signal and what device located it is of less consequence," Cox said. "It's how we can fix the position of that transmitter and help us locate the wreckage — that's really all that matters."
Signal From EgyptAir Flight MS804 Could Pinpoint Location of Wreckage - NBC News

Originally Posted by ENT

And a second company has been hired to continue search efforts in several other possible locations where the black boxes might be

ESE of the Great Barrier reef?

I would have thought the word would be "fragmentation".

"Defragmentation" refers to putting all the fragments together again, as in defragging a computer.

Correct!


You get a smiley stamp......

Fragmented body parts, (not even a complete skull or foot found) aren't the result of impact.

Impact compacts a body into a limited space.

Fragmentation implies a wider scatter of smaller body-part (or other) specimens found.

Originally Posted by ENT

Fragmented body parts, (not even a complete skull or foot found) aren't the result of impact. Impact compacts a body into a limited space.

Impact causes the metal in the plane to tear into razor sharp edges that shred the bodies, so in a sense impact does cause the bodies to fragment.

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by ENT

Fragmented body parts, (not even a complete skull or foot found) aren't the result of impact. Impact compacts a body into a limited space.

Impact causes the metal in the plane to tear into razor sharp edges that shred the bodies, so in a sense impact does cause the bodies to fragment.

To a degree, but not demonstrating a wide or broad scatter/separation of parts, generally.

Bodies tend to compress on impact, squash together, especially if contained/restrained as in seating etc in a plane.

So much so that a cadavre's teeth may be found firmly lodged in its pelvic girdle due to compression on impact.

Originally Posted by ENT

Impact compacts a body into a limited space.

......Bodies tend to compress on impact, squash together

Sorta like the way the plane was compressed inside the Pentagon, eh ?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by ENT

Impact compacts a body into a limited space.

......Bodies tend to compress on impact, squash together

Sorta like the way the plane was compressed inside the Pentagon, eh ?

What plane?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by ENT

Fragmented body parts, (not even a complete skull or foot found) aren't the result of impact. Impact compacts a body into a limited space.

Impact causes the metal in the plane to tear into razor sharp edges that shred the bodies, so in a sense impact does cause the bodies to fragment.

To a degree, but not demonstrating a wide or broad scatter/separation of parts, generally.

Bodies tend to compress on impact, squash together, especially if contained/restrained as in seating etc in a plane.

So much so that a cadavre's teeth may be found firmly lodged in its pelvic girdle due to compression on impact.

Fuck you do talk some bullshit.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by ENT

Fragmented body parts, (not even a complete skull or foot found) aren't the result of impact. Impact compacts a body into a limited space.

Impact causes the metal in the plane to tear into razor sharp edges that shred the bodies, so in a sense impact does cause the bodies to fragment.

To a degree, but not demonstrating a wide or broad scatter/separation of parts, generally.

Bodies tend to compress on impact, squash together, especially if contained/restrained as in seating etc in a plane.

So much so that a cadavre's teeth may be found firmly lodged in its pelvic girdle due to compression on impact.

Fuck you do talk some bullshit.

It's plain that you've never attended an autopsy, my little bean-counter,....... it'd make you puke.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by ENT

Fragmented body parts, (not even a complete skull or foot found) aren't the result of impact. Impact compacts a body into a limited space.

Impact causes the metal in the plane to tear into razor sharp edges that shred the bodies, so in a sense impact does cause the bodies to fragment.

To a degree, but not demonstrating a wide or broad scatter/separation of parts, generally.

Bodies tend to compress on impact, squash together, especially if contained/restrained as in seating etc in a plane.

So much so that a cadavre's teeth may be found firmly lodged in its pelvic girdle due to compression on impact.

Fuck you do talk some bullshit.

It's plain that you've never attended an autopsy, my little bean-counter,....... it'd make you puke.

Yeah you don't do autopsies on body parts from air crashes you mong.

They generally know why they died.

Fucking hell, is there no end to your talents, now you're a fucking pathologist as well as a seismologist, and architect, a structural engineer, what else is there, oceanographer?

You're so full of shit.

^ You guys are splitting hairs; the word autopsy has both a physical and legal meaning; physical as in cutting someone open to determine why they died and legal as in the coroner signing off on the death. The latter is required by law in some countries and states.

Originally Posted by BobR

^ You guys are splitting hairs; the word autopsy has both a physical and legal meaning; physical as in cutting someone open to determine why they died and legal as in the coroner signing off on the death. The latter is required by law in some countries and states.

Not so.

An autopsy is a post mortem physical act of examination and analysis of a cadavre performed by a clinical pathologist.
There is no other meaning to the word.

A post mortem examination of a deceased person, in other words an autopsy, is performed to determine the cause of death and to uncover any other contributing factors pertinent to the deceased, through removal and examination of various bodily fluid and solid specimens of the cadavre, in namely a biopsy(ies), which is/are performed (usually) by a clinical pathologist and attendant laboratory procedures.

The report of that examination is then made available to (a) a coroner and in (b) criminal cases, as a forensic pathologist's report, it's made available to the courts and the judiciary.

A coroner in his capacity as such, comes nowhere near an autopsy until it is completed, noted, written up in the clinical pathologist's laboratory report and that then presented to the appropriate authorities for their consumption, usually in the form of a forensic pathologist's report.

A coroner's findings, conclusions and rulings and report may be based in whole or in part on the autopsy report. The coroner simply pronounces the cause of death that it may be registered as such, after he's been made aware of it by the pathologist's autopsy report.

After that all hell breaks loose......

EgyptAir flight MS804: Black boxes impossible to recover before 12 days.

Investigators into EgyptAir's plane crash need at least 12 days to recover its black boxes as they await a ship that can retrieve them from the bottom of the Mediterranean, investigation sources say.

'Good chance' black boxes recovered in 12 days
Black boxes are at a depth of about 3,000 metres

No theory is currently favoured as the official cause of the crash
The Airbus A320 plane crashed into the Mediterranean with 66 people on board during a May 19 flight from Paris to Cairo, after disappearing from radar screens.

Investigators are in a race against time to find the flight recorders, known as the black boxes, which have enough battery power to emit signals for four or five weeks.

Egypt and France have signed agreements with two French companies specialising in deep water searches, Alseamar and Deep Ocean Search (DOS).

"Those two companies have complementary roles: the first is for locating the pings of the black boxes [the signal being emitted by the black boxes' beacon], while the second is for diving and recovering them" with the help of a robot, a source close to the investigation said from Cairo, requesting anonymity.

"But the DOS specialised ship left the Irish sea Saturday and it will reach the perceived crash site only in around 12 days, after having the Egyptian and French investigators embark in Alexandria."

The investigators are searching for the black boxes at a depth of around 3,000 metres, some 290 kilometres north of the Egyptian coast.

Three of Alseamar's DETECTOR-6000 acoustic detection systems, which submerged can detect pings for up to 4,000 to 5,000 metres below sea level, have left the French island of Corsica to the crash site on Thursday onboard Laplace, a French navy ship.

It will arrive at the perceived crash site, "Sunday, or Monday at the latest', according to one of the sources.

".... the robots capable of descending up to 6,000 metres to recover the black boxes, we will not be wasting ....," said one of the investigation sources.

They added that after 12 days, "there is a very good chance of recovering the flight recordings thanks to the combination of these two French companies."

EgyptAir flight MS804: Black boxes impossible to recover before 12 days, investigators say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

The investigation committee of the crashed EgyptAir MS804 aeroplane received a satellite report showing that an electronic message was sent from the aeroplane’s Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT), which sends an automated message in case of a crash or if the aeroplane becomes submerged in water.

The committee presented the coordinates of the message to the search teams so that they can search the area from where the message was sent.

http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2016/0...roplane-crash/

Black box signals heard by search teams



Search teams have been trying to find the plane's black boxes in the Mediterranean Sea
Signals have been detected from one of the black boxes of the EgyptAir plane that crashed last month, French investigators have confirmed.

They were picked up by the French vessel Laplace as it was searching the Mediterranean Sea.

There were 66 people on board when the Airbus A320 crashed on 19 May while flying from Paris to Cairo.

It vanished from Greek and Egyptian radar screens, apparently without having sent a distress call.

"The signal from a beacon from a flight recorder has been detected," said Remi Jouty of France's Bureau of Investigations and Analysis.

A priority search area has been established, he added.

The French navy is awaiting the arrival of a second vessel that is equipped to take pictures and retrieve objects from the sea.

Egyptian investigators first reported that the French vessels had picked up signals from the wreckage search area, saying they were "assumed" to be from one of the devices.

Officials from the country said last week signals from the plane's emergency beacon had been detected but later said they were received on the day of the crash and were not new.

What caused the crash remains a mystery. Finding the black boxes is crucial to piecing together what happened in the plane's final moments.

Black boxes emit signals for 30 days after a crash, giving search teams an ever-narrowing window to locate them before their batteries run out.

Debris from the plane has been recovered from the sea, some 290km (180 miles) north of the Egyptian port city of Alexandria.

But the bulk of the plane and the bodies of passengers are thought to be deep under the sea.

Those on board MS804 included 30 Egyptians, 15 French citizens, two Iraqis, two Canadians and citizens from Algeria, Belgium, Britain, Chad, Portugal, Saudi Arabia and Sudan.

EgyptAir crash: Black box signals heard by search teams - BBC News

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This might not be terrorism, but just another Airbus fiasco. But Airbus will still find a way to blame it on the pilots as usual.


NEWS
EgyptAir’s A320 made 3 emergency landings preceding MS804 crash – French media
02/06 05:21 CET | updated 06:56 mn ago



The Airbus 320, which is the focus of an intensive search after it crashed into the Mediterranean Sea last month, is said to have been forced to turn around and make emergency landings at least three times during the 24-hours preceding the crash.

That’s according to French public television channel France 3. The surprise claims were put to former aviation security official, Jean-Paul Troadec:

“These new findings are an important element for the investigators. We cannot presume to know know exactly what happened on board but it’s not entirely normal to turn around several times after a technical incident without finding anything.”

EgyptAir?s A320 made 3 emergency landings preceding MS804 crash ? French media | euronews, world news

Originally Posted by BobR

This might not be terrorism, but just another Airbus fiasco. But Airbus will still find a way to blame it on the pilots as usual.


NEWS
EgyptAir’s A320 made 3 emergency landings preceding MS804 crash – French media
02/06 05:21 CET | updated 06:56 mn ago



The Airbus 320, which is the focus of an intensive search after it crashed into the Mediterranean Sea last month, is said to have been forced to turn around and make emergency landings at least three times during the 24-hours preceding the crash.

That’s according to French public television channel France 3. The surprise claims were put to former aviation security official, Jean-Paul Troadec:

“These new findings are an important element for the investigators. We cannot presume to know know exactly what happened on board but it’s not entirely normal to turn around several times after a technical incident without finding anything.”

EgyptAir?s A320 made 3 emergency landings preceding MS804 crash ? French media | euronews, world news

Maybe there is a new kind of terrorism out there ?
Imagine an aircraft technician in Cairo..........

3 times in a day indicates something definitely wrong with the plane. One wonders who signs the plane off on the third problem. Maybe 3 very different problems, all minor.

^ It appears to be more rumour than fact at the moment. No emergency landing data to back up the claim and no ACARS messages either.

It would be very strange to have a fault that required an emergency turn back, only to be cleared with no fault found. Once would be extremely unusual; three times in 24 hours challenges my imagination.

Anything is still possible at this stage, but rather like the alien theory, some have an element of 'Ent' about them.

Originally Posted by OhOh

3 times in a day indicates something definitely wrong with the claim.

Fixed that for you.