Thread: Russian fighter jets close overflights U.S. destroyer

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Exactly Pseudo, I agree. I think the US should just let everyone fight their own God damn battles and only worry if it reaches the American shores. That was my thought going all the way back to the Vietnam conflict, and if I were alive during WWII, I would say the same thing.

Too bad nobody listens to us.

...this "ethical" obligation of a sort of isolation should surely encompass covert intelligence, political, and military instigations as well - activities in which the U.S. has been the clear leader for decades.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Here's an Idea - why does the US fook off out of Europe and stay on its own land, in it own waters instead of running around the world thinking they are untouchables.

Shouldn't be limited to Europe and environs, but worldwide.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I think the US should just let everyone fight their own God damn battles and only worry if it reaches the American shores.

If that were the case, there would be 134 wars in the world that are currently happening today.... that would not be in that the US have a hand in each of them.

As for WWII - indeed - especially if it counted with their funding of the Nazis in the first place, profiteering from both sides.

As for Snubbs saying "ohhh sweden invited the merkins".... BULLSHIT. No one invites them. They get told that they are coming, and advised that they might like to issue them an invite to save embarrassment.

Kick them tot he curb - sorry - port is closed. No fuel or goods for you unless you pay in GOLD. Don't fly in our airspace, and don't fuck around with our neighbours. Fuck, we don't go bombing mexico and Canada FFS.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by pseudolus

They get told that they are coming, and advised that they might like to issue them an invite to save embarrassment.

There are some alternatives. The first a "colour" revolution, the second we will bomb you back to the stone age or thirdly, we will bring your poor and helpless masses democracy, as perceived from our strategic advisors, the ...........

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Shouldn't be limited to Europe and environs, but worldwide.

Out to the Ameristani 12 mile limit is the most they can patrol. Any further leads to ..........

Just imagine how peaceful the world would be. Sure, we would have to put up with all the false flag attacks all around the world as the merkins sit there saying "heh, you miss us yet? want us to kill some niggars for ya?" It would be a lovely world is the merkins just fucked off. Just need the USD to collapse, the rest of the world to grow some balls, and then ring fence the place. Buil Trumps wall, but facing the other way, keeping the cunts in.

Another prospect for an unelected position of power in the Ameristani government speaks his mind.

Potential NATO Commander Threatens Russian Jets That Buzz US Warships

"President Barack Obama’s nominee to become the next NATO and US European Command commander, Scaparrotti was testifying before the Senate Armed Forces Committee on Thursday when he was asked by Arizona Senator John McCain if the US should reaffirm to Russia that it would take action to protect American lives.

"Sir, I believe that should be known, yes," Scaparotti said, according to Business Insider.

Referencing the Baltic Sea incident, Indiana Senator Joe Donnelly then asked if Russia should be warned that "next time it doesn’t end well for you."

Scaparotti agreed. "We should engage them and make clear what’s acceptable. Once we make that known, we have to enforce it," he said.

"I think they’re pushing the envelope in terms of our resolve. It’s absolutely reckless, it’s unjustified and it’s dangerous."
If confirmed as NATO commander, Scaparotti stated his first course of action would be to review America’s rules of engagement for the region."

All the gunho Generals, Admirals and Air force exploits chopping up brown/black men woman and children to amuse Victoria etc. A couple of centuries and it came and went.

Whilst i wouldn't want the facts to get in the way of a good story...

Obama dismisses Putin, but Czar is getting better of us again and again

By Ralph Peters

To pinched-nostril commentators in the West, Vladimir Putin, Czar of all the Russias, is a boorish clown destined for ultimate failure. To me, he’s a genius.

I don’t like the guy one bit. But I have to respect his abilities.

The last time a minor power played its hand as well as Putin has played Russia’s was in 1203. Venice hijacked the Fourth Crusade to sack Christian Constantinople, leaving Venice wealthy and empowered. It also wrecked Europe’s bulwark against Islam, leading to seven centuries of jihad (resuming now, after a brief timeout).

Putin’s power plays won’t end well for Europe, either. But, like medieval Venice, he’s good at what he does.

Taking over when Russia was flat on its back, Putin restored Russian pride, recreating the trappings of a great power. One of his key advantages has been precisely what effete Western commentators see as a weakness: He lacks credentials. He didn’t go to the right schools and doesn’t behave properly. He was a “lowly” KGB lieutenant-colonel. He’s crude.

So our prissy elites spent the last decade and a half mocking Putin. He spent those years enriching his country, reviving its military, expanding its territory, extending its influence abroad — and humiliating the United States of America.

Our diplomats play contract bridge while nibbling delicate sandwiches. Putin plays pistoled-up five-card stud. And he cheats.

Putin punished Georgia, reclaimed Crimea, invaded eastern Ukraine and — just this month — he rekindled the fighting between Azerbaijan and Armenia to bludgeon oil-rich Azerbaijan away from its flirtation with the West.

Putin has backed Iran and is arming it with late-model air-defense missiles that will make any US or Israeli strike painfully costly.

He intervened successfully in Syria, smashing America’s feeble clients, generating another wave of refugees to further disrupt the European Union and leaving “President” Bashar al-Assad more securely in power than he’s been since the uprising started.

He’s punching way above his weight when it comes to NATO, too. With one dangerous provocation hard on the heels of another, he shows no sign of backing off. Rather, he’s having a high old time embarrassing the United States and its president.

On Thursday, his representative to the first NATO-Russia council in two years cynically turned the situation on its head, claiming that the US was the aggressor in every encounter — including that danger-close fly-by of a US destroyer in the Baltic. Putin’s man chastised our Navy for its recklessness.

Those incidents at sea, and many more in the skies, bewilder Western think-tank apparatchiks, who view them as counterproductive acts of folly and plain bad manners. But look at the situation through Putin’s eyes. Here’s what he gets when his jets scour our Navy’s decks with their exhaust:

* He sends a message to NATO (especially, to its new, easternmost members) that, “Hey, the Americans won’t even defend themselves. You really think they’ll defend you?”

* He sends a message to Russians that it’s the American military, not Russia’s, that’s hollow and rotten. It’s great propaganda that titillates Ivan and Olga (the latter almost as much as his bare-chested selfies).

* His intelligence collectors study our electronic systems as they track the older jets that he sends out (he won’t reveal the signatures of his latest aircraft).

* He accustoms us to aggressive behavior, conditioning us not to “overreact.” Were it to come to a sudden war in the 21st century, the side that pulled the trigger first would win. He’s training us to hesitate.

* The Russians are well aware of the low morale in our scandal-plagued Navy. On top of that, they watched, enthralled, as the Iranians grabbed and tormented our sailors — only to be thanked by our secretary of state for resolving the crisis they created. Now the Russians believe that they can get away with anything, as long as Obama’s in office.

* And in those famous words from the 1968 Democratic convention, “The whole world’s watching!” Putin doesn’t care what our elites think of him. He plays to a global audience. And that audience sees him as bold and successful, while it sees us as afraid and ineffective.

Of course, the DC establishment’s last-ditch defense of the “wisdom” of our feckless response to Putin is to conjure the spirits of economic disaster, the insistence that, while Putin’s a pain, the Russian economy’s tanking and he won’t be able to sustain his mischief much longer.

Well, Putin’s economy took a body blow, thanks largely to the drop in oil prices and partly because of (now wobbling) Western sanctions. But the ruble and Russia’s foreign reserves have stabilized. Import substitution is progressing. The oil price is inching back up.

Our elites spent the last decade mocking Putin. He spent those years enriching his country, reviving its military, expanding its territory — and humiliating the United States of America.

Russians are much better off financially than they were before Putin appeared, and — most important of all — Russians expect life to stink. Deprivations that would shock Americans don’t even register. And Putin’s stage management of the economic downturn has been masterful. His popularity rating remains higher than Hillary Clinton’s and Donald Trump’s combined.

Unlike our leaders, Putin knows his people. He came from the streets, not from Harvard. And Russians have, for centuries, cherished the “myth of the good czar,” expressed, in the face of perfidy and corruption, by the peasant’s sigh of, “If the czar only knew . . .”

Putin put that myth on TV and online. His four-hour “audiences” are brilliant theater. He takes calls and e-mails complaining of Russia’s immemorial problems: bad roads here, corrupt bosses there, unpaid wages in a cannery. With barely a hand wave, the people’s woes go away.

When will we stop underestimating Putin? Western leaders have come and gone, but Putin’s still there. Barring acts of God, he’ll remain on his throne after the next two or three US presidents have left the Oval Office.

And now he’s accustomed to winning. To repeat myself from past columns, Putin has no reverse gear. He keeps going forward until he hits a wall.

There’s no wall.

Ralph Peters is Fox News Strategic Analyst and a former US Army Russia specialist.

Obama dismisses Putin, but Czar is getting better of us again and again | New York Post

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Russians are LOVED by everyone! Especially by their former east bloc partners and states.

I suspect the citizens of the post Warsaw block countries, integrated, now or the newly "democratised" counties, promised entry of the EU + NATO defence organisations are probably questioning their alleged choices now.

Originally Posted by bsnub

There are several NATO states that are there and so the US has every right to be there supporting its allies.

Once again the Ameristanis believe in signing an agreement, in this case the INF, and then ignoring it. Nothing new there.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Where is all of this military hardware you speak of?

The Ameristani ship, which we are discussing here, has nuclear warheads for fitting on it's cruise missiles. This ship was 70 miles from Russian territory. One wonders if similarly armed ships, of a foreign powers, were displayed 70 miles off the Ameristani coast what the reaction of the Ameristani armed forces would be and what the reaction of the Ameritani sheeple would be. The introduction/movement of nuclear arms into Europe was covered by the INF treaty. Ameristani politicians are once again trying to put fear into small white people.

Try and search for Ameristani troop and materials being "stored" in Europe. From Spain to Ukraine, from Finland to Italy.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Actually, they are very aware of where they are.

Are they aware that Ameristan is using Europe as it's preferred nuclear battle field? Every weapon and troop deployment, in Europe, is an Ameristani weapon that has to be targeted to ensure it's destruction. Will the Europeans accept their fate/obliteration whilst the war mongers and their sheeple remain safely 1,000's of miles away?

Russia defends intercept of U.S. reconnaissance plane over Baltic

The Russian Defence Ministry said on Saturday it had sent a fighter plane on Friday to intercept a U.S. aircraft approaching its border over the Baltic Sea because the American plane had turned off its transponder, which is needed for identification.

The Pentagon said the U.S. Air Force RC-135 plane had been flying a routine route in international airspace and that the Russian SU-27 fighter had intercepted it in an "unsafe and unprofessional" way. CNN reported that the Russian jet had come within about 100 feet (30 meters) of the U.S. plane and had performed a barrel roll.

"All flights of Russian planes are conducted in accordance with international regulations on the use of airspace," the Russian Defence Ministry said in a statement.

"The U.S. Air Force has two solutions: either not to fly near our borders or to turn the transponder on for identification."

Russia defends intercept of U.S. reconnaissance plane over Baltic | Reuters

Originally Posted by Hans Mann

"All flights of Russian planes are conducted in accordance with international regulations on the use of airspace," the Russian Defence Ministry said in a statement.

"The U.S. Air Force has two solutions: either not to fly near our borders or to turn the transponder on for identification."

Simple enough. State Department spokesman probably blames Russia for the pilots turning their transponder off.

Originally Posted by OhOh

The Ameristani ship, which we are discussing here, has nuclear warheads for fitting on it's cruise missiles.

Are you sure? I'm guessing which ships have nuclear weapons is a rather closely held secret. You can be sure that not all of them do.

Originally Posted by OhOh

One wonders if similarly armed ships, of a foreign powers, were displayed 70 miles off the Ameristani coast what the reaction of the Ameristani armed forces would be and what the reaction of the Ameritani sheeple would be.

I'm guessing Russian ships and subs routinely come closer than 70 miles.

^ They certainly do. Russian war ships and planes go in and out of Cuba, which is only 90 miles from Florida. Russia also patrols the Gulf of Mexico.

Originally Posted by misskit

^ They certainly do. Russian war ships and planes go in and out of Cuba, which is only 90 miles from Florida. Russia also patrols the Gulf of Mexico.

If you are referring to the Viktor Leonov in Cuba in January of this year, I would hardly call it a war ship. And yes, Russian planes, commercial ones, fly into Cuba regularly. What's important here is that the US has a long history of gun boat diplomacy, Russia does not. Furthermore, the US rules the high seas and no one other country in the world comes close to them. In other words, they are not threatened by foreign ships anywhere in international waters, but other countries are.

Not speaking of the Viktor Leonov. Russia has had several war ship in the Cuba and the Carribean.

Russian Navy Ships Arrive in Havana, Cuba

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Three Russian navy vessels arrived Friday at the Havana harbor in the first such visit since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Although Moscow said the early-December joint exercises with Venezuela - governed by socialist Hugo Chavez, a fiery critic of U.S. foreign policy - had nothing to do with "third countries," they were widely viewed as a challenge to the U.S. influence in Latin America.

Also this month, a Russian warship traversed the Panama Canal for the first time since World War II.

Latin American Herald Tribune - Russian Navy Ships Arrive in Havana, Cuba


Russian planes to patrol in Caribbean, Gulf of Mexico

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On Wednesday, Mr Shoigu said "long-range aviation units" would fly along the borders of the Russian Federation and over the waters of the Arctic Ocean.
He added: "Under the prevailing circumstances we need to ensure a military presence in the western Atlantic and eastern Pacific oceans, the waters of the Caribbean basin and the Gulf of Mexico."

Earlier this year, Mr Shoigu said Russia was planning military bases in a number of foreign countries, including Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua.

Russian planes to patrol in Caribbean, Gulf of Mexico - BBC News


I'm not saying the Russian are out of order, just pointing out that they do indeed come close to America to counter those who think they do not.

^ Yes. It is old news.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Ameristan

The linguistic equivalent of wearing lifts in one's shoes.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Are you sure? I'm guessing which ships have nuclear weapons is a rather closely held secret. You can be sure that not all of them do

I agree with you and as such any foreign military should consider many possibilities.

For instance, some of the Donald Cook's weapons systems, there is mention of the Tomahawk cruise missile:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Donald_Cook

Armament:

• 1 × 29 cell, 1 × 61 cell Mk 41 vertical launching systems with 90 × RIM-156 SM-2, BGM-109 Tomahawk or RUM-139 VL-ASROC missiles
• 2 x Mk 141 Harpoon Missile Launcher SSM

Note the warhead, the W80 Nuclear device:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_%28missile%29

BGM-109A Tomahawk Land Attack Missile – Nuclear (TLAM-A) with a W80 thermonuclear weapon. Retired from service sometime between 2010 and 2013.[2]



Note: The BGM-109a has been "retired", according to Wiki.

Should the Russians military believe wiki, or consider, that probably, the Ameristanis maybe lying and thus assume the worst case. The Ameristanis have history of ignoring "agreements", so plan accordingly.

The USS Donald Cooke has the capability of firing a nuclear tipped cruise missile and act accordingly? Maybe other nuclear tipped missiles can be fired from the ship's launch system, that the Ameristani military have not made public.

Not being a military man just a dumb tourist I would ask the question and plan a appropriate response.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

I'm guessing Russian ships and subs routinely come closer than 70 miles.

Maybe the legal limit is 12 miles I have no idea. One hopes there are mechanisms in place to communicate with them. The Russian airforce seems to be on the ball in terms of letting NATO become aware that Russia knows of their presence.

Originally Posted by misskit

^ They certainly do. Russian war ships and planes go in and out of Cuba, which is only 90 miles from Florida. Russia also patrols the Gulf of Mexico.

All obvious one would believe to the Ameristani military? How many are travelling <70 miles offshore and how many are nuclear capable?

Originally Posted by elche

Furthermore, the US rules the high seas and no one other country in the world comes close to them. In other words, they are not threatened by foreign ships anywhere in international waters, but other countries are.

The French and Chinese submarines seem to have no problem penetrating a carrier groups defenses. The French attacked and could have taken out many Ameristani ships before being destroyed. The Chinese "popped" up inside a battle group, much to Ameristani sailors surprise.

Not one carrier group within the Chinese 12 mile limit off China's SCS islands, just one expendable destroyer. Does that show confidence? Not to an Asian.

Originally Posted by Humbert

The linguistic equivalent of wearing lifts in one's shoes.

The slurs used by western MSM on all 'stan countries can be applied to another dying empire with due regard to their complete collapse, Politically, Financially, Morally.......

Originally Posted by bsnub

Good god you are an absolute moron. Destroyers do not carry nuclear weapons. The only naval vessels that do are ballistic submarines. Its amazing that such an ignoramus like yourself continues to post up such absurd drivel.

Find the truth yourself. As a hint, one reference you may wish to investigate is what types of weapons Russian corvettes can launch - nuclear tipped cruise missiles, let alone larger ship platforms.

As for the submarines only assertion.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Find the truth yourself.

Originally Posted by OhOh

As for the submarines only assertion.

Nope.

U.S. F-22s land in Lithuania in show of force amid Russia tensions


U.S. Army soldiers guard as U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptor fighters are parked in the military air base in Siauliai, Lithuania, April 27, 2016. REUTERS/Ints Kalnins

Two of the U.S. Air Force's most advanced jets landed in Lithuania for the first time on Wednesday in a show of force and support for a region worried by Russian military maneuvers.

The Baltic states and Washington have been riled by acts by Russian warplanes in the region in recent weeks, including one making "simulated attack passes" near a U.S. warship and another passing within 50 feet of a U.S. reconnaissance plane.

The two U.S. Air Force F-22 fighters landed in Romania earlier this week and F-22s last year visited Poland and Estonia, all counties concerned about Russian military ambitions.

The jets spent 20 minutes making three low-flying passes with aerial acrobatics over Lithuania's Siauliai air base before landing to be met by President Dalia Grybauskaite.

"Without singling out any neighbor, I would like to say that no one has any right to poke their noses into here," Grybauskaite told reporters.

"This is a demonstration that the United States is honoring its commitments and is ready to protect our region with all the most modern measures."

Lithuania and its Baltic neighbors Estonia and Latvia are former parts of the Soviet Union which today are members of NATO. After Russian intervention in Ukraine, they asked the military alliance to permanently deploy up to 5,000 troops as a deterrent, a request that is still under consideration.

In April, Russia's envoy to NATO accused the United States of trying to put pressure on Moscow by sailing a warship near the Kaliningrad enclave, sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania.

F-22s, the newest U.S. fighter planes, are almost impossible to detect on radar and are so advanced that the U.S. Congress has banned Lockheed Martin from selling them abroad.

(Editing by Alistair Scrutton and Robin Pomeroy)

U.S. F-22s land in Lithuania in show of force amid Russia tensions | Reuters