Thread: Two men kept from boarding US plane after speaking Arabic

There was no racial profiling. It was nothing to do with race. There were just paranoid passengers who overheard people speak Arabic and airport staff who should be working elsewhere, like Walmart.

The funny thing here on this thread is:

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

The apologist for the racists are = _ _ _ _ _?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

Have Arabs/Muslims oppressed and subjugated you for being white, Herman?

Originally Posted by stroller

Racial discrimination, erhh, 'profiling' will be very useful

Maybe Elmar Fudd can enlighten us how racial profling works ?




I'am glad that Strol... Elmar is not working at any airport

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

Have Arabs/Muslims oppressed and subjugated you for being white, Herman?

Yes !

Now let me guess what's the next stupid question ?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

Have Arabs/Muslims oppressed and subjugated you for being white, Herman?

Yes !

Now let me guess what's the next stupid question ?

Originally Posted by Neverna

and airport staff who should be working elsewhere, like Walmart.

they probably did previously, as their first job

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

Have Arabs/Muslims oppressed and subjugated you for being white, Herman?

Yes !

I'm sorry to hear that you've suffered such indignities under the yoke of oppression.

It must have been terrible for you.

Can you give me an example of how you've suffered?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Now let me guess what's the next stupid question ?

OK... ?

So what's your guess?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

Have Arabs/Muslims oppressed and subjugated you for being white, Herman?

Yes !

I'm sorry to hear that you've suffered such indignities under the yoke of oppression.

It must have been terrible for you.

Can you give me an example of how you've suffered?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Now let me guess what's the next stupid question ?

OK... ?

So what's your guess?

You seriously disagree with my statement ?

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

Have Arabs/Muslims oppressed and subjugated you for being white, Herman?

Yes !

Now let me guess what's the next stupid question ?

Why do you keep on reminding me of a fly sitting on a ?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

You seriously disagree with my statement ?

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

Yup. Unless you can persuade me otherwise with examples of how you've suffered racism/discrimination...?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

You seriously disagree with my statement ?

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

Yup. Unless you can persuade me otherwise with examples of how you've suffered racism/discrimination...?

My understanding is that he was decapitated by Jihadis over a year ago and that his posts on TD are nothing more than the twitchings of a cooling corpse.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

You seriously disagree with my statement ?

The biggest racist/discriminators in this world = Arabs/muslims

Yup.

So it be !

Originally Posted by Troy

I think racial profiling maybe seen as a tad....um ... well .. perhaps ... racist...don't you?

That is exactly what makes the argument interesting.

Racial profiling is a utilitarian tactic deployed for practical reasons to minimise terrorist attacks. It obviously causes friction since it has overtones of racism. The interesting issue is how you measure and weigh the cost to our society's moral integrity of engaging in activity that has apparent parallels with racism against the practical benefits of reducing the impact of terrorist attacks.

Of course the easy way to wriggle out of the debate is to claim that targeting individuals based on racial profile is simply not effective so lets sidestep the discussion entirely. But to make things interesting, for arguments sake, lets say it was statistically proven to be effective - would you then agree with racial profiling when it came to airport security or do you think the cost in lives is worth the preserved integrity of race related moral values and cultural sensitivities of society?

i.e. you agree in principle with racial profiling but only as long as it is measurably effective?

The essence of the argument is not even terrorism related it is whether or not it is morally acceptable to focus additional attention on crime-prevention measures towards a racial group if that group is statistically shown to engage in a disproportionate level of a given crime.

I am not saying there is an easy yes/no answer to this but I am saying it is an interesting discussion.

Originally Posted by taxexile

in these uncertain times it certainly makes sense to keep swarthy types away from all forms of public transport, shopping centres and public places in the more advanced countries of the world.

There is a breed of Welsh who inhabit parts of the Gower who are definitely swarthy, have brown eyes and speak unintelligibly in an unfamiliar tongue.

What I find amusing is the ignorance of the average septic who seemingly has confused Urdu with Arabic - no ethnic Paki, as these gentlemen were described in the report, would speak among themselves in Arabic.

But still, nice to see the septics favouring bigotry, prejudice and stupidity over common sense - confirms one's own prejudices about the silly peasants.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

DrB0P seems to be the perfect example of what this thread is about.

This thread is about two guys speaking Arabic on a plane. Whatever I may be I am not now and never have been two guys speaking Arabic on a plane.

These two guys are working class folks - one owns a pizza place. They are both US CITIZENS.

Were I them, I would be getting a really good lawyer and suing the hell out of Southwest Airlines, airport security, and the terrified American bitch who filed the complaint.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I would be getting a really good lawyer and suing the hell out of Southwest Airlines, airport security, and the terrified American bitch who filed the complaint.

Proving beyond doubt they are true blue all american citizens.

^Exactly!

Originally Posted by Looper

Racial profiling is a utilitarian tactic deployed for practical reasons to minimise terrorist attacks. It obviously causes friction since it has overtones of racism. The interesting issue is how you measure and weigh the cost to our society's moral integrity of engaging in activity that has apparent parallels with racism against the practical benefits of reducing the impact of terrorist attacks.

Of course the easy way to wriggle out of the debate is to claim that targeting individuals based on racial profile is simply not effective so lets sidestep the discussion entirely. But to make things interesting, for arguments sake, lets say it was statistically proven to be effective - would you then agree with racial profiling when it came to airport security or do you think the cost in lives is worth the preserved integrity of race related moral values and cultural sensitivities of society?

i.e. you agree in principle with racial profiling but only as long as it is measurably effective?

The essence of the argument is not even terrorism related it is whether or not it is morally acceptable to focus additional attention on crime-prevention measures towards a racial group if that group is statistically shown to engage in a disproportionate level of a given crime.

I am not saying there is an easy yes/no answer to this but I am saying it is an interesting discussion.

Start a new thread in Speakers, Looper. This is a News thread.

Originally Posted by Looper

i.e. you agree in principle with racial profiling but only as long as it is measurably effective?

It isn't though, it's a far too broad brush.

Security experts know this and wouldn't entertain such silly notions.

Originally Posted by stroller

It isn't though, it's a far too broad brush.

I think it is true to say that almost all western passenger aircraft related terrorist incidents in the past 15 years have been carried out by people of middle eastern appearance so I am not making up an entirely hypothetical scenario. I think there is currently a reasonably strong correlation between passenger ethnicity and aircraft terrorism. Implementing a policy of racial profiling targets the security checks at the people most likely to be a risk based on statistics. The downside is that offence is caused to a racial group. The question is where does the best trade-off lie between improving the efficiency of resource deployment and minimising unnecessary offence.

In the interests of racial harmony you could say that 80% of security checks must be carried out on whiteys if they represent 80% of the passengers but then you are only expending 20% of the potential security effort on the only likely terrorist candidates given the current political situation.

Should we devote only 20% of attention on ME passengers or 100% or somewhere in between?

I recognise that the offence caused by racial profiling does come with a tangible cost to the value and dignity of our society so racial profiling should not be used lightly. I also think there are situations (perhaps during a period of high alert due to intelligence reports) when racial profiling could be considered the lesser of 2 evils.

Originally Posted by Looper

I think it is true to say that almost all western passenger aircraft related terrorist incidents in the past 15 years have been carried out by people of middle eastern appearance

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