Thread: UK to accept at least 10,000 Syrian refugees

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Simple answer to the problem, every fit male that arrives gets conscripted into the army.
Trained up, sent back to free his country, sure the west could send a million men Muslim army over to the shit holes.

Think the numbers would drop of if that were the case.

Why just the men, James? Are you sexist?

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Simple answer to the problem, every fit male that arrives gets conscripted into the army.
Trained up, sent back to free his country, sure the west could send a million men Muslim army over to the shit holes.

Think the numbers would drop of if that were the case.

Why just the men, James? Are you sexist?

Yes, or just a gentleman, men fight, women grieve.
Come home carrying your shield, or on your shield.

The Brits are, once again, not pulling their weight, but the usual crowd are bickering and moaning as if the sky was falling...

The vast majority of refugees will be welcome in Germany, hopefully other EU nations will be more accommodating than the UK - once upon a time a liberal, tolerant place which offered shelter to numerous refugees, now all one hears is the bitter blathering of Daily Mail addicts, what has happened to this once splendid country?

The vast majority of refugees will be welcome in Germany,

no they wont. the vocal minority that come out and support the influx are very much that, a minority.

no country can be expected to absorb an as yet unknown number of refugees of a vastly different culture to the home culture in such a short space of time.

there are millions of displaced people from that region, europe cannot possibly take them all. how come the gulf states, malaysia, indonesia and othjer muslim countries opening their borders to their brethren.

what happens to those at the back of the queue when the germans have accepted their 30,000 or 40,000, or the european quotas have been accepted. will they (there could be 500,000) be refused entry and turned back?

the problem needs to be solved in the middle east and the traffickers who are profiting from this and sending these unfortunate people onwards for vast fees need to be stopped.

germany summarily announced that it would take 800,00, yet made no provision for their transport from the war zones, leaving the doors open for traffickers to profit from the situation by pushing these people out to sea on leaky boats.

The Brits are, once again, not pulling their weight,

fact.

next only to america, the uk spends more on aid to syria than any other country.

https://visa-fees.homeoffice.gov.uk/...settled-person

So its Post flight- Non- Settled person 1530 dollars x 20,000 people

1 Select the country you are making your application from Syria

2 Select the visa category you would like to see fees for

3 Select the visa type you would like to see fees for

4 Select the visa sub-type you would like to see fees for

The German and French controlled European Union has been exposed as a gigantic failure. They will not let Great Britain leave, they need Great Britain to continually prop up the failed experiment.

America, with it's sidekick UK, is the main cause of this crisis. So naturally they will leave it to others to clean up the shit stains. Bombing and killing is easy enough, breaking apart countries too- but don't bother us with the consequences. Criminals.

You aren't, Germany is. You are fully complicit in the atrocious war crimes that brought this horrific situation about, Germany isn't. And now the USA, with it's perpetually belligerent foreign policy, is even threatening EU energy security. It's past time for Germany (the real boss of Eurozone) to just tell them to fukk off.

You are fully complicit in the atrocious war crimes that brought this horrific situation about,

hindsight is a wonderful thing is it not.

Originally Posted by birding

the Vatican would open its doors to two refugee families,

that's actually worse than fvck off.

Cameron looking to equal Merkil's offer to refugees but took the opportunity
to soften up the House and Joe Public to get support for military intervention
in Syria.

Bob Geldof spoke to Dave Fanning this morning on RTÉ Radio One, ahead of his performance with the Boomtown Rats at Electric Picnic this weekend.

After discussing music, the conversation turned towards refugees.

Dave Fanning: “Back in the Eighties, obviously everybody knows you saw [BBC’s] Michael Buerk on the television, you realised something had to be done, you jumped out of your seat and said, ‘we gotta do something’ and you did Band Aid, Live Aid, and the history is all there.
And I’m reading from the headlines in just this morning’s paper, a drowned toddler, ‘the harrowing symbol of a migrant crisis’ and The Guardian, ‘the shocking cruel reality of Europe’s refugee crisis’. Like I mean in terms of just, do you just look upon that as a dad or look upon that as maybe something you could do or something you’ve done before that you can do again or what way do you see it?”

Bob Geldof: “I look at it with profound shame and a monstrous betrayal of who we are and what we wish to be. That’s how I look at it. We are in the moment, currently now, a moment that will be discussed and impacted upon in 300 years time, a fundamental shift in the way the world has worked for the last say 600 years. Power has been sucked out of the West and moved East; technology, once it met money, was multiplied by human greed, collapsed the world economy. If there’s a new economy there needs to be a new politics, there isn’t and it’s a failure of that new politics that led to this fucking…sorry…this disgrace, this absolute sickening disgrace. And late last night, you know, I couldn’t get my head around this so, at about 12.30am I started banging out this piece and I said, ‘ok, let’s take on now, let’s put our money where our mouth is’, so I am prepared. I’m lucky, I’ve got a place in Kent, I’ve got a flat in London. Me and Jan would be prepared to take three families immediately in our place in Kent and a family in our flat in London immediately and put them up until such time that they can get going and they can get a perch on the future. I I I cannot stand what’s happening. I can’t stand what it does to us. I’ve known and you’ve known and everyone listening knows the bollix we talk about our values are complete nonsense. You know, once it comes home to roost you know, we deny those values, betray ourselves but those values are correct and it happens time and time and time again. So we are better than this, we genuinely are. You know I do understand, of course I understand, the economics and the politics, ‘ah yeah but if we let some more in, we’ll…’ All right. All right. I do understand when [British Prime Minister David] Cameron says the root cause of this must be addressed. Yes it must but we are in a period of fundamental shift.”

“Twelve years ago, I was in Lampadusa, the island where first, you know the people were arriving from North Africa and I was with the Mayor and we went to a refugee camp because he told me every morning he woke up to the sight of men, women and children dead on the rocks around Lampadusa. So I started talking about this. Of course the Daily Mail, you know, were scathing and derogatory and saying, ‘Geldof, you know, doesn’t know what he’s talking about’.

They rang the mayor of Lampadusa and he denied he ever met me but it was happening then because when people are poor, they move. I am an economic migrant, Britain accepted me and let me got on with it.
I couldn’t do it in Ireland which made me very bitter about Ireland but made me eternally grateful to the British people for saying, ‘Get on with it, dude’. And I did. The same thing is true of thousands of Irish, millions, in America, Australia, Britain, everywhere else, this is happening again except it’s people fleeing war not famine and economic hardship, that will increase as the environment decays. The environment makes people move from one area of a resource to another. It’s happening and has happened all over Africa. For 40 years, Dave, 30 years I’ve been dealing with refugees. Last year I was in the board of Somalia and Ethiopia like with the refugees from the Somalian war – all of this is happening now. We must have the politics and the humanity to deal with it. It makes me sick and a concert won’t do it.”

RTE RADIO 1, PODCAST

This Tory-supporting Paddy is worth over 40m euro. He has contributed precisely zero to Ireland in income tax & has the cheek to talk about a ‘monstrous betrayal of who we are and what we wish to be’.

And, please, ‘an economic migrant’. You don’t get to talk about ‘I couldnt do it in Ireland’ because you wanted to be a rock-star, African hedge-funder & property developer......poor potato famine victim bob , forgetting his rich upbringing coupled with his private school education at Blackrock College...

The drowned toddler- yes, how said. But the sad fact is that the Kurdish family from which he came was not fleeing the Syrian civil war at all- they had been living and working (illegally) in Turkey for the previous three years. They were economic refugees, looking for a 'better' life in Europe.

Originally Posted by KEVIN2008

his Tory-supporting Paddy is worth over 40m euro. He has contributed precisely zero to Ireland in income tax & has the cheek to talk about a ‘monstrous betrayal of who we are and what we wish to be’.

Yup another champagne socialist in disguise ,, along next will be that prick Russell Brand

Originally Posted by KEVIN2008

This Tory-supporting Paddy

Hey Kevin, I see you're using the auld Paddy moniker to describe Geldof. Is this the same as blacks referring to one another as 'nigga'?

Hungary tells Germany to stop taking refugees

Hungary's Prime Minister is calling on Germany to state they will not accept any more of the refugees travelling through Europe. Viktor Orban has warned "millions" of people will descend on the continent if Berlin's open door policy continues - and criticised Austria for allowing migrants to "enter its territory without hindrance".


Merkel under pressure from Bavarian allies over migrant influx


As refugees continued to flow into Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel was preparing for a meeting with her coalition partners. The conservative CSU has sharply criticized the chancellor over her handling of the crisis.


The Christian Social Union (CSU), the Bavaria-based sister party of Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU) has criticized the chancellor's decision late on Friday to temporarily open up Germany's borders to thousands of migrants who had been stranded in Hungary.


The mass-circulation "Bild am Sonntag" newspaper reported in this Sunday's edition that Bavarian state Premier Horst Seehofer and other CSU leaders had agreed in a conference call on Saturday that Merkel's green light to ease the entry of the people wanting to seek asylum in Germany, many of whom have fled conflict zones in Syria or Iraq, was a "wrong decision by the federal government."


U.K. Will Use Foreign Aid Funds to Cover Costs of Syria Refugees


Britain will use part of its foreign aid budget to help meet the costs of accommodating refugees arriving from Syria, its finance minister said on Sunday, in a bid to head off public concerns over the impact on local services.


Prime Minister David Cameron said on Friday that Britain would welcome "thousands more" Syrian refugees, after an outpouring of emotion over the image of a Syrian toddler lying dead on a Turkish beach put him under pressure to act.


Cameron had previously refused to commit Britain to taking in more refugees in response to a surge in numbers reaching Europe.


On Sunday, finance minister George Osborne said that Britain would use part of its foreign aid budget, equivalent to 0.7 percent of gross domestic product, to help local authorities meet the costs of helping new arrivals.


Netanyahu says will not allow Israel to be 'submerged' by refugees


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday said he would not allow Israel to be "submerged" by refugees after calls for the Jewish state to take in those fleeing Syria's war.


Speaking at the weekly cabinet meeting, Netanyahu also announced the start of construction of a fence along Israel's border with Jordan, according to his office.
"We will not allow Israel to be submerged by a wave of illegal migrants and terrorist activists," Netanyahu said.


"Israel is not indifferent to the human tragedy of Syrian and African refugees... but Israel is a small country -- very small -- without demographic or geographic depth. That is why we must control our borders."

whoopee- this is getting fun. i have to agree with the racists and bigots in one regard- it is not europe's job to take the flotsam and jetsam from civil and internecine wars. no more than it is it's job to sign up failed, failing, or bankrupt states because of some sort of expansionist Nato agenda. honestly, we feel really bad about it (especially when we're partly to blame), but if you look on a globe you'll see it ain't that big. the only real answers are to do with sorting your own shit out.

Turkey, Israel, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan Sudan, yemen, Saudu Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Palstine, Oman ......., the local countries, geographic and ethnically.

jordan, turkey and lebanon have accepted over a million, but they are kept in squalid camps with no facilities and with a view to returning them when syria and iraq are safe again.

hence camerons suggestion that it would be better to;

1. provide aid to these countries to greatly improve the conditions in these camps and register these refugees rather than blindly inform them in some emotional response that has not been thought through to come to germany/sweden etc. where they will be accepted without proof of intent.

2. use coalition forces to put an end to the IS menace which threatens to develop into a worldwide muslim horrorfest, especially if their hysterical philosophy gains more ground through preaching in their mosques and internet to the millions of easily brainwashed lowbrow islamic males, leading pointless lives in africa and many western countries. it gives these rootless misplaced people a cause. religious fervour is a very dangerous thing, especially islamic fervour.

muslims, whose religion is firmly anchored somewhere in the middle of the 14th century, seem particularly susceptible to it.

It appears the British and the French have decided how accomplish a reduction in refugees.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10490386.html

"Two British jihadists have been killed in the first air strike carried out by the RAF in Syria in a significant escalation of the UK’s role in the war against Isis.
Announcing the attacks in the House of Commons, David Cameron directly linked one of those targeted, Reyyad Khan from Cardiff, with a series of terrorist plots which were foiled in Britain this Summer. The second Briton to die was Ruhul Amin, from Aberdeen.
The Prime Minister insisted that the killings, using Reaper drones flown from a base in Lincolnshire, were “entirely lawful, necessary and proportionate” and that Government had exercised Britain’s “inherent right to self-protection”.
“We took this action because there was no alternative,” he told MPs. The Attorney General had been consulted and agreed there was a “clear legal basis” for the action, Mr Cameron added."


and from France:


Hollande Readies Syria Air Strikes as Response to Refugee Crisis - Bloomberg Business



"France is preparing for air strikes in Syria as President Francois Hollande seeks ways both to stem a flood of refugees from the Middle East into Europe and grapple with the threat of terrorism.
“I’ve asked the minister of defense to begin reconnaissance flights over Syria from tomorrow that would allow for strikes against the Islamic State,” Hollande said at a press conference in Paris on Monday. Hollande, who ruled out sending troops, said Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad is an impediment to peace in the country."

10k Syrians is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, over 200k Romanians were issued National Insurance numbers in the last 12 months. I'd happily take in 50k Syrians in return for leaving the EU.

An answer to Syria’s predictable disaster

Jordan is quietly carrying out the one policy that might stem the tide of refugees fleeing war




By David Blair

8:01PM BST
07 Sep 2015

It seems another age, but during the first eight months of Syria’s civil war, only 20,000 refugees fled Bashar al-Assad’s domain. By a cruel irony, that is exactly the number Britain alone is now preparing to accept.

The raw figures betray how the flow from Syria has become a tidal wave. At the end of 2012, there were 400,000 refugees; one year later, 1.5 million; by December 2014, the total reached 3 million; today, there are 4 million refugees in neighbouring states – and 6.5 million within Syria itself.

Such is the wreckage created by Assad’s struggle to subdue his people – and the fanaticism represented by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil). Given that so many of Syria’s 20 million people have now been driven from their homes, who can be surprised that thousands are heading for Europe? This was surely the most predictable refugee crisis in modern time.

Now that the tragedy is upon us, two stark lessons should be drawn. The first is that leaving events in Syria to take their course – which was, in effect, the choice made by those who doggedly opposed any form of armed intervention – amounted to a moral failure, with baleful consequences.

We have it on the authority of Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader, that Syria needs a “long term political and diplomatic sustainable solution”. Perhaps she missed the Arab League peace plan, proposed within months of the outbreak of war in 2011, only to fall foul of Russian and Chinese vetoes at the United Nations Security Council.

Ms Sturgeon might also have overlooked the Kofi Annan peace plan of 2012, also blocked by Russia and China. Then there was the Annan Two peace plan, which Assad simply ignored, while Russia supplied him with weapons and Iran sent Hizbollah fighters to keep him in power.

In retrospect, there was only one course of action that might just have averted today’s tragedy – and done so at a time when Isil barely existed and Syria had produced fewer than 20,000 refugees. If the Western powers had told Assad to accept the Arab League peace plan in 2011 or risk an intervention that would have guaranteed his downfall, then Ms Sturgeon’s “political and diplomatic” solution might have stood a chance.

But she did not urge this at the time; instead, she would have marched in the streets to prevent it from happening. Instead of accepting the cold reality that diplomacy only works if supported by a willingness to use force, Britain’s “anti-war” campaigners now urge Britain to accept more refugees fleeing a catastrophe our inaction helped worsen.

This bring us to the second lesson: pay attention to the countries which have been forced to live with Syria’s agony from the very beginning.

Almost unnoticed by the Western world, one neighbouring state, Jordan, has managed to stem the flow over the border. In the course of 2013, the number of Syrian refugees in Jordan jumped from 120,000 to 570,000. Since then, the total has stabilised at about 600,000.

How has this happened? Aid agencies attribute the reduction to far tougher border controls – and that is certainly a big part of the explanation. But it’s not the whole story: the number of Syrians entering Jordan illegally, avoiding the established border crossings, is also believed to have fallen.

The reason is that Jordan has armed and supplied a new rebel coalition which now controls a de facto buffer zone in the provinces of Deraa and Suwayda in southern Syria. Here, large numbers of refugees have gathered. Assad’s forces have tried – and failed – to recapture this territory, proving the fighting ability of the insurgents. Crucially, Isil has not yet been able to penetrate this region.

In Syria, this is what counts as success: a buffer zone held by non-Isil insurgents, where refugees can find relative safety without fleeing their country, let alone risking the journey to Europe. With minimal outside help, Jordan has quietly brought this about in southern Syria.

If this approach could be replicated in northern Syria then the refugee crisis might become manageable. That will be far harder, mainly because Turkey has chosen to back the most dangerous Islamists while pounding the Kurdish guerrillas in Syria. But, at this desperate moment, there is no other remedy that might help.

An answer to Syria?s predictable disaster - Telegraph