Thread: China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'

Originally Posted by OhOh

Again will he, if he successfully becomes POTUSE, walk the walk?

I think he has already proven that he can talk the talk but he can't walk the walk.

South China Sea: China warns US over islands 'confrontation'

Blocking China from islands it has built in contested waters would lead to "devastating confrontation", Chinese state media have warned.

The angry response came after secretary of state nominee Rex Tillerson said the US should deny Beijing access to new islands in the South China Sea.

Two state-run papers carry editorials strongly criticising his comments.

The hawkish Global Times tabloid warned that any such action would lead to "a large-scale war".

Beijing has been building artificial islands on reefs in waters also claimed by other nations. Images published late last year show military defences on some islands, a think-tank says.

Flying close to Beijing's new islands
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Speaking at his confirmation hearing on Wednesday, Mr Tillerson likened China's island-building to Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine.

"We're going to have to send China a clear signal that first, the island-building stops and second, your access to those islands also is not going to be allowed."

China's official response, from foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang, was muted. China had the right to conduct "normal activities" in its own territory, he said.

Asked specifically about the remark on blocking access, he said he would not respond to hypothetical questions.
'Unrealistic fantasies'

But editorials in the China Daily and the Global Times were more direct in their comments.

The China Daily suggested Mr Tillerson's remarks showed ignorance of Sino-US relations and diplomacy in general.

"Such remarks are not worth taking seriously because they are a mish-mash of naivety, shortsightedness, worn-out prejudices and unrealistic political fantasies," it said.

"Should he act on them in the real world, it would be disastrous.

"As many have observed, it would set a course for devastating confrontation between China and the US. After all, how can the US deny China access to its own territories without inviting the latter's legitimate, defensive responses?"

The Global Times, a nationalist daily, suggested that Mr Tillerson's "astonishing" comments came because "he merely wanted to curry favour from senators and increase his chances of being confirmed by intentionally showing a tough stance toward China".

China would ensure his "rabble rousing" would not succeed, it went on.

"Unless Washington plans to wage a large-scale war in the South China Sea, any other approaches to prevent Chinese access to the islands will be foolish."

The Obama administration has spoken out strongly against the island-building, pledged to ensure freedom of navigation in the South China Sea and sending navy ships to sail in contested areas.

But it has not threatened to block access to the islands, a step likely to enrage Beijing.

Mr Tillerson did not explain how the US might block access to the islands, and both Chinese papers suggested a wait-and-see policy.

"It remains to be seen to what extent his views against China will translate into US foreign policies," the China Daily said.

South China Sea: China warns US over islands 'confrontation' - BBC News

Ding Ding round one!

China hits back at US over South China Sea claims

China has asserted its "indisputable sovereignty" over parts of the South China Sea after the Trump administration vowed to prevent China from taking territory in the region.



The Chinese foreign ministry said Beijing would "remain firm to defend its rights in the region".

White House spokesman Sean Spicer said on Monday the US would "make sure we protect our interests there".

Barack Obama's administration refused to take sides in the dispute.

It did, however, send B-52 bombers and a naval destroyer last year, and the then US Secretary of State John Kerry spoke out over what he called "an increase of militarisation from one kind or another" in the region.

Several nations claim territory in the resource-rich South China Sea, which is also an important shipping route.

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The new US president has taken a tough stance against China, and Mr Spicer told reporters "the US is going to make sure we protect our interests" in the South China Sea.

"If those islands are, in fact, in international waters and not part of China proper, yeah, we'll make sure we defend international interests from being taken over by another country," he said, without giving further details.

The Chinese government responded by saying that the US was "not a party to the South China Sea issue".

Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said China was "committed to peaceful negotiations with all countries concerned" in the dispute, and said it "respects the principles of freedom of navigation and over-flight in international waters".

But, she went on: "Our position is clear. Our actions have been lawful."
'Devastating confrontation'

Mr Spicer's comments echo those of Donald Trump's new Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.

During his nomination hearing, Mr Tillerson said the US should block access to islands being built by China in the South China Sea, likening it to Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine.

"We're going to have to send China a clear signal that first, the island-building stops and second, your access to those islands also is not going to be allowed," he told the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

The Chinese state media responded by warning that such actions would lead to a "devastating confrontation".



Rival countries have wrangled over territory in the South China Sea for centuries, but tension has steadily increased in recent years.

Its islets and waters are claimed in part or in whole by Taiwan, China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei.

Beijing has been building artificial islands on reefs and carrying out naval patrols in waters also claimed by these other nations.

Although the Obama administration insisted it was neutral, it spoke out strongly against the island-building and sought to build ties with, and among, the South East Asian nations whose claims overlap those of China.

In July an international tribunal ruled against Chinese claims, backing a case brought by the Philippines, but Beijing said it would not respect the verdict.

The frictions have sparked concern that the area is becoming a flashpoint with global consequences.

China hits back at US over South China Sea claims - BBC News

This problem should have been nipped in the bud before the sneaky coonts started fortrifying these 'islands'. They should have been blockaded 2 years ago.

Building artificial islands with the intention of taking unilateral control of international waters is the biggest piece of nonsense since Crimea.

Obama's line of standing off and pretending not to notice was piss weak.

The problem for the Donald is that he has alienated a lot of other countries with his protectionist US-centric rhetoric. It is no good the US going in to blockade these islands by themselves. The message needs to come from the international community as a whole that China will not be allowed to take illegal control of international waters. The UN needs to make a resolution that military action will be taken if China does not stop the nonsense and abandon the existing islands.

Originally Posted by Looper

During his nomination hearing, Mr Tillerson said the US should block access to islands being built by China in the South China Sea, likening it to Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine. "We're going to have to send China a clear signal that first, the island-building stops and second, your access to those islands also is not going to be allowed," he told the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The Chinese state media responded by warning that such actions would lead to a "devastating confrontation".

He got the job by telling the politicians what they wanted to hear. Mission accomplished.

What ameristan will do in truth is, "To early to say".

All true, Looper. Green owed.

Originally Posted by Looper

The UN needs to make a resolution that military action will be taken if China does not stop the nonsense and abandon the existing islands.

Who pray will back up the UN resolution? An Asian coalition or are we talking the big boys like Japan, South Korea and Australia?

It is not in anyone's interests except China for China to take illegal control of international waters so I think virtually the entire rest of the world is thinking the same thing.

The problem is that China is trying to buy off its neighbours with 'investments' and infrastructure assistance. If China's immediate neighbours are too short-sighted to see the folly of being bought off so cheaply over this long-term strategic issue then the coalition might need to be gathered from further afield.

Originally Posted by Looper

Building artificial islands with the intention of taking unilateral control of international waters is the biggest piece of nonsense since Crimea.

Didn't they sort of get away with that?

I don't think it is too late to stop them. It would have been much simpler to do it 2 years ago though.

what's that word....

something about looking backwards is always clearer or something.

It's all going to go silly, mate. I'm glad I won't be here to see it.

Information is moving faster than humanoids can assimilate. Their ability to plot and plan is failing simply because the information transfer is beyond them.

I see a general loss, across the board, of any true understanding of what is going on.

The speed with which things are now moving leaves room for only the outrageous, 15 minute, flash in the pan exploitation by the empowered.

And so good night ....

China warns Donald Trump via US media to stay out of South China Sea dispute



China has sent its strongest message yet to US President Donald Trump that it will not back down on its claims in the South China Sea.
Key points:

China says South China Sea is an issue for those in the region
Beijing reiterates it will not bend on "one China" policy
Analysts say trade is an area that should mutually benefit China and US

In a rare move, a senior Chinese official used an English-language interview to warn the new administration not to challenge Beijing over the territorial disputes.

"There might be a difference [of opinion] over the sovereignty of these islands but it's not for the United States," Lu Kang, China's most senior Foreign Ministry spokesman, told NBC News.

"That might be between China and some other countries in this region."

For weeks Chinese officials and state-controlled media have warned the US to avoid any involvement in the territorial disputes in the strategic waterway, which involve another five claimants.

That has not appeared to work, with Mr Trump's press secretary Sean Spicer this week warning the US would seek "to defend international territories from being taken over by one country".

Mr Lu's English-language interview on a US network now appears to be aimed directly at Mr Trump — who has previously expressed his fondness for watching television news programs.

"[The South China Sea] is not the United States territory or the international territory as he mentioned," Mr Lu said.

Beijing also used the interview to reiterate China's unwillingness to bend on the "one China" principal, saying Beijing is "100 per cent" committed, and expects the same of Washington.

The one China principal is a condition China imposes upon other countries to accept if they want diplomatic relations with Beijing.

It forces governments to recognise the independently-ruled island Taiwan as part of one China, and to have no official relations with Taipei.

In November, then-President-elect Mr Trump rattled Beijing by accepting a phone call from Taiwan's President Tsai Ing-wen, and he has since further infuriated China by saying he will not commit to the decades-old one China position unless there is progress on trade issues.

China's US media outreach is an attempt to nip both the South China Sea issue and Taiwan in the bud, by making clear Beijing will not back down on territory it claims is "indisputable".
China also says US must tone down 'trade war' talk

But one other major issue of contention remains — trade.

China has been warning the US to tone down its "trade war" talk, stressing the threat of imposing new tariffs on Chinese goods would trigger counter measures.

While agricultural exports form the bulk of US exports to China, each year billions of dollars of Boeing planes and passenger vehicles are sold to China.

Analysts in Beijing appear to see trade as an area where China can help Mr Trump achieve his goal of boosting US jobs.

Already the e-commerce billionaire Jack Ma has met Mr Trump, and ambitiously pledged to create a million new jobs in the US through expanding his e-commerce network throughout the US.

Analysts and officials alike in China hope these sorts of initiatives will help create US jobs, help Chinese businesses and "make America great again" without hurting China's interests.

China warns Donald Trump via US media to stay out of South China Sea dispute - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Originally Posted by Looper

I don't think it is too late to stop them. It would have been much simpler to do it 2 years ago though.

The U.S. should definitely stay out of it. No one else in that area gives a hoot.
Let those other Ninja Turtle Chinks take care of it. They are so fucking corrupt that it will only backfire towards the U.S.

Originally Posted by Looper

Lu Kang, China's most senior Foreign Ministry spokesman

Does Australia only posses one China-man photo?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The U.S. should definitely stay out of it. No one else in that area gives a hoot.

There are many other countries in the region with claims with conflict with Chinas but the water is also an important international shipping lane and ceding control to the sneaky chinks will cost everyone in the long run. There are many other countries around the world with an interest in not letting China take control of that shipping lane.

Originally Posted by OhOh

China is promoting a way of life which allows for citizens of any country that wishes to join it's coalition, a share of the prosperity.

You sound like a programmed little chinkie-bot speech writer. Your tissue of euphemisms is beyond hilarious! Chinas international bribery is about China taking control of an international shipping lane which is thousands of miles from its mainland to promote China's economic strength at the expense of others.

Originally Posted by Looper

is about China taking control of an international shipping lane

Do you agree with France and UK "taking control" of the English Channel? I presume others "control" the Malacca Straights, which in your opinion is acceptable.

Has China been sinking commercial ships transiting its SCS, I'm sure Miss Kitt would have informed us? Has China been erecting lighthouses radar stations, like the ones which dot/ring the English Channel - for safety and navigation purposes?

Or is it just your hate of all things Chinese? When did you start hating them, as a child sitting on grandpa's knee or was it when you matured and went from your comics to TD?

Originally Posted by OhOh

China is promoting a way of life which allows for citizens of any country that wishes to join it's coalition, a share of the prosperity.

Do you agree with France and UK "taking control" of the English Channel? I presume others "control" the Malacca Straights, which in your opinion is acceptable.

I think the Admin should move this to the "Jokes and funny stories".

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The U.S. should definitely stay out of it. No one else in that area gives a hoot.

There are many other countries in the region with claims with conflict with Chinas but the water is also an important international shipping lane and ceding control to the sneaky chinks will cost everyone in the long run. There are many other countries around the world with an interest in not letting China take control of that shipping lane.

But no one is really making an issue out of it like the U.S. Just sell some weapons to the region and let those involve have a go for it.
Economic sanctions against China should also be considered. But no one seems to care, so sanctions won't happen.

Some of you might want to watch this documentary...it might change some of your views?

https://123movies.is/film/the-coming.../watching.html

Originally Posted by charleyboy

Some of you might want to watch this documentary...it might change some of your views?

https://123movies.is/film/the-coming.../watching.html

What the ole Pisshead John Pilger is saying: "That China is surrounded by some 400 U.S. military bases".
Well, isn't time then for China to thank the U.S. for that ? Or how else could have China develop in such a prosperous nation ?

The movie is a piece of shit. Cheap cut and paste film strips from the History Chanel. John Pilger should spend his money on a hair cut...he looks like Bum who has just been kicked out of Hong Kong.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Do you agree with France and UK "taking control" of the English Channel?

Utterly spurious comparison highlighting yet again your wafflebrained logic and bizarre deference to the self-serving chinks (what is that about or is it derived from the usual blind hatred of any US interests whatever they may be?).

The English channel is a narrow strait between 2 countries. The south China sea territorial claim is thousands of miles from China. But you already know all this. What an utter dick-brained troll.

Furthermore, the Spratleys are way, way down South from China, bordering Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines.

If they'd only claimed the Paracels, they might have some kind of claim, but they were greedy to a ludicrous extent.

It's not just the shipping lanes but more about the oil in the area.

Heck, they claim water all the way down to Brunei....

Originally Posted by Looper

The English channel is a narrow strait between 2 countries.

The distances between the partially submerged reefs and more numerous small scattered, islands are what.

I suggest you ask a captain on a super tanker which area is the more dangerous. The well regulated English Channel with it's lights and radar controlled management, or the unlit, uncontrolled risk infected SCS.

Originally Posted by Looper

The south China sea territorial claim is thousands of miles from China

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Furthermore, the Spratleys are way, way down South from China

How far would you agree that a country has to be from one of it's islands or territories prior to it losing its claim 50km, 1000km, ......

There are many countries alleging sovereignty on far away distant lands. Won as the spoils of some battle centuries ago or even just proclaiming, "as there are no Christians here we claim all in the name of our own Christian God".

Or are you being just a tad racist?