Thread: Racist Video Leads to Rebuke of US University Fraternity

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

I'm all for free speech. But if you are stupid enough to film or let someone film you and be caught out, then tough. The Uni has every right to expel, as a shop owner has the right to not serve.

Interesting concept.
Does a shop owner have the right to not serve?
If a black or a jew or a gay or a ginger went into a shop and the owner refused to serve them that would be OK?

Originally Posted by BobR

^ Read the link to the Supreme Court case I cited then and tell me how a government run university can impose a penalty when there was no incitement to immediate violence.

It's got nothing to do with feeble minds or right or left thought, it's exactly the kind of ban on talking about violence the SCOTUS voided in the Brandenburg case.

Do you really want to live in a Country in which you must meet some correctness test just to have the right to speak? (Wait, TIT I already do).

^^ With these stupid smart phones, there is no privacy in groups any longer, you never know when some asshole will record/video you.

I'm pretty sure the University will have a code of conduct which these little pricks will have breached.

Of course they could sue the university for their return, but I suspect they might not want to now that the Football team have spoken.

Originally Posted by koman

Yes I would feel exactly the same.

Originally Posted by koman

If they are doing it publicly and/or using it to promote violence or hatred, that is a totally different matter

They're promoting the idea of lynching blacks

Originally Posted by koman

And you along with a few other over reactive apologists on here would be furiously defending them because in your minds only whites are capable of "racism"

Utter rubbish . . . you're creating a bit of fiction to defend your indefensible stance

Originally Posted by koman

All others are held up as eternal victims, so they have a right to vent their feelings and chant whatever the fuck they like.....

Actually, they're not, but keep on with your fictitious strawman argument

Originally Posted by BobR

The Court held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is directed to inciting, and is likely to incite, imminent lawless action.[1] Specifically,

Quite - who is to say that an alcohol-fuelled lynchmob won't go and lynch someone down the line . . .

Originally Posted by BobR

Politely, if you want to argue this, you need to read the First Amendment to the American Constitution

No, I don't. There are far better case studies that explain this

You'll like this:
ABA Division for Public Education: Students: Debating the "Mighty Constitutional Opposites": Hate Speech Debate

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I look forward to seeing these pathetic frat boys (or rather their redneck daddies) suing the university for the right to sing about lynching fellow human beings based on their colour.

Yup . . . go for it, the law may or may not be on their side . . . if it is they will be forever labelled as racist cnuts and won't be safe . . . if it isn't they will be forever labelled as racist cnuts and won't be safe. Win-Win, really

Originally Posted by Koojo

Does a shop owner have the right to not serve?
If a black or a jew or a gay or a ginger went into a shop and the owner refused to serve them that would be OK?

He has the right to refuse service . . . but not on the grounds that he doesn't want to serve a Jew/Black/Homosexual . . .

Gingers are a separate category in the legal world and it is ok to throw a cold fish at them between the hours of 09.45 and 21.45 Monday to Friday except on public holidays and during the time of fasting (any religion)

You certainly go to a lot of trouble slicing and dicing other peoples posts up into little bits, just to insert total bullshit between the lines.....

Originally Posted by koman

You certainly go to a lot of trouble slicing and dicing other peoples posts up into little bits, just to insert total bullshit between the lines.....

So, you have no rebuttal . . .

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by misskit

"Racism is alive and well in America and we need ongoing, continuing dialogue to address these concerns," Garland Pruitt, president of the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), told reporters.

got to love the irony...

You just don't understand political reality it's OK when the Blacks do it, but somehow a NAAWP as in White people would automatically be wrong. Go figure.

Originally Posted by BobR

The "hate speech" laws in Europe and several other liberal shitholes are an aberration of law which interferes with the basic right of free speech.

There is no basic right to free speech - no idea where you get that from . . . just because your country decides adopting a limited 'right to free speech' doesn't mean it is a 'basic right'.

As for 'liberal shitholes' . . . these comments just make you look the fool, hardly supporting your arguments

Originally Posted by BobR

The fact America has not adopted them is another thing about the USA to be proud of.

Oh yes indeed . . . like the death penalty, modern-day wars end-to-end, poverty, illiteracy and countless other things to be proud of

Originally Posted by BobR

Another nice thing about the USA, that many Europeans have lost is that you have an absolute right of self defense, and no duty to flee.

You're again showing yourself to be a fool

Originally Posted by BobR

You just don't understand political reality

Ah, when someone has a differing opinion they simply 'don't understand'.

Have you always been this much of a neo-con, poor man's semi-fascist?

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobR
You just don't understand political reality
Ah, when someone has a differing opinion they simply 'don't understand'.

Have you always been this much of a neo-con, poor man's semi-fascist?

Relax, I was joking with Blue, read it in context and the smiley face was there just to emphasize that.

I'm also very proud that we still use the death penalty. Look at Norway with that nut that killed 77 people, what are they going to do when his maximum 21 year sentence has run out, turn him loose?

Originally Posted by BobR

The "hate speech" laws in Europe and several other liberal shitholes are an aberration of law which interferes with the basic right of free speech. The fact America has not adopted them is another thing about the USA to be proud of.

A bunch of kids drinking beer and having a bit of boisterous fun is hardly going to motivate anyone to start a race war or rush out to hang somebody. It's so ridiculous it's laughable.

Don't let Off-his-rocker..put words in your mouth or tempt you to engage in "rebuttal" to his bullshit. He's not here to debate anything sensibly, he's just prodding and poking to be annoying. That's his style and he'll go on an on till the fucking cows come home quoting little cherry picked items from your posts and attempting to distort your meaning.

This whole case is a stupid over reaction to a bit of tasteless, but harmless fun. Nobody is, or was, going to get lynched, and if it was not for some back stabbing piece of shit with no sense of humor; an Iphone and a need to cause trouble, plus an over sensitive ultra liberal administrator....nobody other than a few drunk 20 year olds from the frat house would have ever known anything about this.

It's highly unlikely that any black folks would be found hanging from trees because of a bit of frat house dark humor. (bit of a pun there eh...).

If boisterous songs, and racial jokes incited lynching there would be very few black people left in America...or most other places for that matter.

Originally Posted by koman

A bunch of kids drinking beer and having a bit of boisterous fun is hardly going to motivate anyone to start a race war or rush out to hang somebody

Yeah your right, harmless folks.

I have to say though, in the US you whites and blacks hate each other equally, and with the same venom.

First time I went to the US I heard the word Nigger (I went to Florida) all the time.

Starting with "So you from England huh - lots Niggers there huh?

Never met such a group of messed up retarded hateful white and black folks ever - have visited about 50 countries.

You reap what you sow though - so no surprise really.

Originally Posted by BobR

Relax, I was joking with Blue, read it in context and the smiley face was there just to emphasize that.

Ok, sorry . . . should have seen the smiley for what it was

Originally Posted by BobR

Look at Norway with that nut that killed 77 people, what are they going to do when his maximum 21 year sentence has run out, turn him loose?

Any bets that he won't be let out . . . and when he is he'll be a marked man - just talking to some Norwegians about this after it happened. They're not happy.

As for the next 21 years . . . lots of arabs and the like in Norway's jails, I'm sure he's having fun

Originally Posted by Silverback

Originally Posted by koman

A bunch of kids drinking beer and having a bit of boisterous fun is hardly going to motivate anyone to start a race war or rush out to hang somebody

Yeah your right, harmless folks.

What has an ancient photo of the KKK from Christ knows how many years ago, got to do with a bunch of immature university frat boys singing silly songs in their clubhouse in 2014? Don't be so fcuking stooopid.....

^Yeah.... totally un-linkable.

For those that find it difficult to connect the dots that is.

Originally Posted by Silverback

I have to say though, in the US you whites and blacks hate each other equally, and with the same venom.

If this is a blanket statement, then untrue. Not even close.

First time I went to the US I heard the word Nigger (I went to Florida) all the time.

No doubt. Hanging out with the wrong sorts, you were.

Starting with "So you from England huh - lots Niggers there huh?

Southern rednecks would have no idea there were "lots of Niggers" in England.

Never met such a group of messed up retarded hateful white and black folks ever - have visited about 50 countries.

About the closest thing I have seen to American white racism towards blacks is the hatred British people hold for Jews. I am constantly gobsmacked at the way Brits talk about Jews. Don't hear that in the USA.

Originally Posted by misskit

I am constantly gobsmacked at the way Brits talk about Jews. Don't hear that in the USA.

Not allowed to, they own the U.S.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by misskit

I am constantly gobsmacked at the way Brits talk about Jews. Don't hear that in the USA.

Not allowed to, they own the U.S.

And the US owns Britain.

Originally Posted by Silverback

First time I went to the US I heard the word Nigger (I went to Florida) all the time.
Starting with "So you from England huh - lots Niggers there huh?

First time I heard the word Nigger was when watching The Dam Busters, it was the name of Guy Gibson's dog

Originally Posted by Silverback

^Yeah.... totally un-linkable.

For those that find it difficult to connect the dots that is.

Originally Posted by koman

fcuking stooopid

Indeed . . .

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by misskit

I am constantly gobsmacked at the way Brits talk about Jews. Don't hear that in the USA.

Not allowed to, they own the U.S.

And the US owns Britain.

Even if that were true it would only mean we were owned by China.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

I'm all for free speech. But if you are stupid enough to film or let someone film you and be caught out, then tough. The Uni has every right to expel, as a shop owner has the right to not serve.

Interesting concept.
Does a shop owner have the right to not serve?
If a black or a jew or a gay or a ginger went into a shop and the owner refused to serve them that would be OK?

Apparently not, in wash. State a Christian lady is about to loose her house for refusing to provide flowers for a gay wedding.

^^ Apparently, the woman only received a $2000 fine. Not her life savings or house.

The odd thing was, she had known them and sold flowers to the couple for 10 years, just refused their wedding flowers because "of her relationship with Jesus."

Washington Florist Illegally Refused To Provide Flowers For Same-Sex Wedding, Judge Rules

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

I'm all for free speech. But if you are stupid enough to film or let someone film you and be caught out, then tough. The Uni has every right to expel, as a shop owner has the right to not serve.

Interesting concept.
Does a shop owner have the right to not serve?
If a black or a jew or a gay or a ginger went into a shop and the owner refused to serve them that would be OK?

Apparently not, in wash. State a Christian lady is about to loose her house for refusing to provide flowers for a gay wedding.

Yes it pisses me off when people are persecuted for holding their personal convictions.
(Whether you agree with them or not)

Not fucking Jesus wheezers. If they had their way we'd all be dancing to their stupid tune.

Fuck them.