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    But the developing country just gave millions of Baht raises to its military generals didn't it, and how many million did it give for Aids drugs because some dumb fuck couldn't afford a pack of Trojans.

    Blame every American because some dumb African was fucking a monkey and then the village ate it and gave Aids to some queer ships steward.[rough genealogy]

    Then USA did have someone smart enough to figure out a drug that works, now everyone wants em to give it away..

    If Thailand thinks that the poor should have what others got, why didn't they give my poor govt employed school teacher wife a new Toyota foreskinner instead of making me buy it??

    If you cant afford the Aids meds, then keep your dick in your pants..
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    Then USA did have someone smart enough to figure out a drug that works, now everyone wants em to give it away..
    Gotta call you on this the USA didn;t figure out shit some fucking top-end bloated fucking corporation weenie did. he gets fucking peanuts compared to the profits made by his lord-and-fucking-masters. The USA governement is doing nothing but protecting the profits of some fucking company that pours (comparatively) meager amounts of money into politicians back-door profit centers.

    Comparing the billions of dollars these company make due to over-zealous protection by their own bought and fuckin paid for enforcers (commonly referred to as the current administration or US Government) to the few thousand dollars paid to the rulers of this nation is just a tad naive don't you think?

    While you chew on that tid-bit of information it's not just Thais that are getting fucked by this approach it is YOU and I, and every other US citizen that pays taxes (OK maybe not me) Health insurance or even gives a fuck about The fact out government is nothing but a cover for the corporate price gouging at those in need's expense. And while you're chewing on THAT extra bite realize too, there are many people in the USA today that cannot afford these drugs and WILL NOT GET THEM BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FUCKIN PAY! they will eventually buy under the table drugs bought from foreign suppliers/manufacturers, if these drugs can be smuggled into the coutry or, most likely, die.

    Stop waving the fuckin flag a minute and think about what the government of your country (and mine too, goddamit) is doing in your name, in my name and the name of all the other poor fuckers back home's name. The US government preaches democracy and majority rule, the rest of the world is convinced you and I are behind these policies, majority did NOT (and has not for a while now) rule.

    I for one am sick of it and for the last damn-near decade our country has been for nothing other than the further enrichment of those with the strings.

    For more than a few decades it has increased it's reach with new agencies for the control and interdiction of fanciful "threats to security" while doing nothing more than enlarging it's intrusion into private business and affairs in the name of protecting company profits. The DEA and the HLS come to mind with little more than a heart-beat of thought. Al this while robbing public health care, children's programs and education.

    If you believe in your country how can you be anything other than dismayed in the least, if not totally enraged? While waving the fucking flag, think long and hard about what it means to you realize as a patriot is your duty NOT to parrot every fucking government policy but to question each and every fucking one of them. In this instance they are fucking wrong. the joke that is US health-care system.

    There is no US health-care system. It is a for-profit-pay-or-die system at best designed to squeeze every fuckin dollar out who ever can pay and fuck the rest.
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    I'm sure a compromise can be worked out whereby the drug companies continue to make ridiculous profits and affordable medicines are made available to those who need them. I know there's the argument of 'We need the money for further R&D" - But I'm sure there'll continue to be 'enough' money for all - Capitalism can work, but sometimes it doesn't do any harm to slap it on the wrist and say, "Stop being so bloody greedy!"
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    ^fuckin guy says in 75 words what i tried to say in 500. We are not worthy Oh maser

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    I'm getting considerable enjoyment out of Thailand's telling Abbot to take their $.02 per pill, or whatever, or f- off.

    Charge all you want for Botox, but let's be reasonable about people's lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenstein View Post
    Out of greens.

    I'm not...sending one Frisco's way.

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    ^so the guy fuckin reds me!

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    he is a naughty boy, so I made up for it FF

    as for Blackgangs right wing rave

    But the developing country just gave millions of Baht raises to its military generals didn't it, and how many million did it give for Aids drugs because some dumb fuck couldn't afford a pack of Trojans.

    quite right, tell that to the wives and unborn kids. And nobody said the Thai gov was a wonderful thing, just that they got one policy right

    Blame every American because some dumb African was fucking a monkey and then the village ate it and gave Aids to some queer ships steward.[rough genealogy]

    very rough, and full of inaccuracies. AIDS was actually developed by the USA as an initial way to keep the third world countries poor, as well as to kill all those homosexuals (rough nonsense)

    Then USA did have someone smart enough to figure out a drug that works, now everyone wants em to give it away..

    As FF said, it was not the US, it was a drug company. And nobody is asking them to give it away, although that would be appreciated, but merely wanting it at a reasonable price

    If Thailand thinks that the poor should have what others got, why didn't they give my poor govt employed school teacher wife a new Toyota foreskinner instead of making me buy it??

    I suppose that your wife not getting her Toyota will not kill her, quite the opposite in fact

    If you cant afford the Aids meds, then keep your dick in your pants..

    Yes, you understand how AIDS is passed on, good. So tell that to the innocent wives and kids

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    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17244

    Quote Originally Posted by danbo View Post
    I'm sure a compromise can be worked out whereby the drug companies continue to make ridiculous profits and affordable medicines are made available to those who need them. I know there's the argument of 'We need the money for further R&D" - But I'm sure there'll continue to be 'enough' money for all - Capitalism can work, but sometimes it doesn't do any harm to slap it on the wrist and say, "Stop being so bloody greedy!"

    nice blog that was written a few years ago.Interesting on how much drug companies spend on R & D,"mee too" drugs (changing the drug slightly to get more patent rights) the roles of small private institutions like Universitys amd what Ron regan and a couple of american senators Bayh (D) Robert Dole (R) did along the way.

    As hard as it is to believe, only a handful of truly important drugs have been brought to market in recent years, and they were mostly based on taxpayer-funded research at academic institutions, small biotechnology companies, or the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The great majority of "new" drugs are not new at all but merely variations of older drugs already on the market. These are called "me-too" drugs. The idea is to grab a share of an established, lucrative market by producing something very similar to a top-selling drug. For instance, we now have six statins (Mevacor, Lipitor, Zocor, Pravachol, Lescol, and the newest, Crestor) on the market to lower cholesterol, all variants of the first. As Dr. Sharon Levine, associate executive director of the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group, put it,
    If I'm a manufacturer and I can change one molecule and get another twenty years of patent rights, and convince physicians to prescribe and consumers to demand the next form of Prilosec, or weekly Prozac instead of daily Prozac, just as my patent expires, then why would I be spending money on a lot less certain endeavor, which is looking for brand-new drugs?...........

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    true
    the AIDS drugs are merely a combination of previously used drugs

    as a combo, they can charge even more

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    The usual merkins indulging in Thai-bashing.

    The country is struggling to provide health-care for the needy, why should they pay exorbitant prices to make the big drug companies richer?
    The country is struggling to provide golf courses for the greedy (ever try counting them)....

    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    The usual merkins indulging in Thai-bashing.

    The country is struggling to provide health-care for the needy, why should they pay exorbitant prices to make the big drug companies richer?
    So us germans can keep their jobs at BASF, BAYER, etc.


    O.K. let me stop being sarcastic. That drug companies are spending more money on commercials and marketing then research is another sad fact. That there is no cure for malaria is another sad fact because the drug companies are not making any profits for this research.
    Thailand is spending most of its money from foreign aid for its infrastructure. Now lets be honest! The streets (infrastructure) in Thailand are a mess, but the countless golf courses are beautiful.

    Who are the real crooks? The Drug Co. or the Thai govt.? Lets call it a draw.


    Ohhh I forget...my suggestion...let's take all the money that is used for foreign aid and invest it in research and affordable drug prices for the poor. To some people supprise this might even include a lot of poor germans and americans.
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    I did not realise it was the Thai goverment that was building golf courses!! that is a disgrace, shameful and decadent.

    there was I thinking it was private companies, that goes to show I know nothing about politics, or golf

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    ^ the Thai military have quite a few golf courses

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    I did not realise it was the Thai goverment that was building golf courses!! that is a disgrace, shameful and decadent.

    there was I thinking it was private companies, that goes to show I know nothing about politics, or golf


    I bet you also didn't know that there are plenty of rich Thais.
    Not only private companies which are supported by (private) politicians (see Thaksin and Co.) own golf courses, but also the military.
    Does the military belong to the government?
    Royal Army Sports Center

    Tublamu Royal Navy Golf Course
    Royal Thai Air Force Golf Course
    Inside Satthahip Naval Base are at least two more
    Thaigolfer.com - Thailand's Ultimate Golf Portal
    these are just a few...

    I think you know what I'am trying to get at.
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    Let's eat the rich and share their wealth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    the Thai military have quite a few golf courses
    Don't fall for that one.
    They are strategic military installations cunningly disguised as golf courses.
    They even force the 700 generals to play golf everyday just to fool us into thinking that they are golf courses.

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    I've yet to see a Thai who could strategise his/her way out of a wet paper bag. Brain dead are this lot.

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    Minister returns from the US saying little achieved

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    Bt1-bn damage suit looms


    Minister returns from the US saying little achieved but sees softer stance



    The state-run Government Pharmaceutical Organisation (GPO) may seek Bt1 billion in damages from a United States lobby group for allegedly defaming it and a well-known HIV/Aids drug.

    The GPO has already sought criminal-defamation action against USA for Innovation. The group lobbies for US pharmaceutical companies.

    The alleged defamation is included in newspaper advertisements the group published earlier this month in Thailand in The Nation and Bangkok Post, and the Post's Thai-language sister title Post Today.

    The full-page advertisement alleged Thailand's move to invoke compulsory licensing to get around drug patents would hurt "the poor and sick of Thailand".

    It said most Thais with HIV/Aids would "not have access to the world's best medicines" but would be treated with locally made drugs, such as the Aids drug GPO-Vir which it said a Mahidol University study had found to have a resistance rate of 39.6 per cent to 58 per cent.

    GPO-Vir is manufactured by the GPO, and the state agency claims a resistance rate of 15 per cent for the drug.

    Its board chairman Dr Wichai Chokewiwat said the Bt1-billion damages claim was accordance with the Civil Code and represented the cost of an alleged civil wrong.

    Wichai said the GPO generated annual revenues of Bt5 billion from selling GPO-Vir both domestically and overseas, including developing countries like Nigeria and Burma.

    "The ad shook patients' confidence in our drug and damaged the reputation of the GPO," he asserted.

    However, Wichai did not specify when the GPO would file the civil action, saying it was waiting for police to identify the names of the people at USA for Innovation to cite as respondents.

    Wichai will ask the US Embassy for these. Even though these people may live in the US, Wichai believes they can be tried in the Kingdom because the alleged defamation was committed here.

    Meanwhile, the public health minister said Thailand would consider buying drugs covered by patents if they could be purchased for no more than 5 per cent above prices for generic versions.

    Mongkol na Songkhla returned to Thailand late Thursday from the US. He said although the country had invoked compulsory licensing on three life-saving treatments, negotiations with their manufacturers were still possible.

    "If patent holders cut their prices to no more than 5 per cent above generic alternatives declared under compulsory licensing, we will consider buying the originals," he said.

    The three drugs are efavirenz made by Merck, lopinavir/ritonavir made by Abbott Laboratories and a heart-disease medicine made by Sanofi-Aventis.

    The ministry's drug-price negotiation team has held three rounds of talks with the companies, but none has agreed to lower prices to the level desired by the ministry.

    Mongkol has spend the past two weeks in the US negotiating with drug-makers and explaining the government's decision to invoke compulsory licensing.

    Though saying he "achieved nothing" from the trip, Mongkol said there were positive signs and Abbott had officially submitted a new price for lopinavir/ritonavir, down more than half its original US$2,200 (Bt76,000) per patient per year to $1,000.
    However, yearly treatment with a generic version costs just $695 per person.

    Duangkamol Sajirawattanakul


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    gosh, and have any of those been built in the last few years?

    so naughty

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    gosh, and have any of those been built in the last few years?

    so naughty
    gosh, and have any of those been maintained in the last few years?
    The cost of maintenance must be real cheap...since it rains everyday in Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    The GPO has already sought criminal-defamation action against USA for Innovation. The group lobbies for US pharmaceutical companies.
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    However, Wichai did not specify when the GPO would file the civil action, saying it was waiting for police to identify the names of the people at USA for Innovation to cite as respondents.

    OVERVIEW: Time to accept USA for Innovation for what it was - June 9, 2007


    The USA for Innovation site went silent on May 9, 2007. The companion site ThaiMyths.com ran from May 7 to May 18 and then went silent as well.

    Based on its short history, USA for Innovation is

    - an organization with no history before April 2007 (despite a huge directory of press releases, none of these were released to the net on the alleged dates they were created)

    - an organization whose web attacks have no precedent in lobbying--except for the lobbying group Edelman which is well-known for creating fake lobbying efforts and planting articles and opinion pieces in the press (more info here).

    - an organization that could afford an expensive hired gun like Kenneth Adelman

    - an organization that seems satisfied to cease activity on May 18. Thaksin ended his association with Edelman on May 7.

    continues here :

    2Bangkok.com - The USA for Innovation story

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