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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo
    Just to be clear, are you saying Islamic terrorism is a tolerable burden to Western civilisation, compared to the real terrorists that are governing America?
    Yes- although I would not use the loaded and emotive term 'Terrorist' to describe the US government, terrorism is just one tactic among many that they use. Neither are we talking about some organisation bound by radical ideology- merely a grubby coalition of interest groups that have take over the US government from within. The main shared 'ideology' is Greed. Their main tactic the Lie. Their main vessel the Media (which they own). Their main ally, the stupid Public- who still, in the main, have no idea what has gone on here..

    The dangers posed by the US government sector in it's current manifestation far outweigh those posed by organisations defined (by the US government) as terrorist. The reason you are poorer, less well paid, less protected, less happy, and less free now than you were is not because of islamic or any other form of terrorism. That is a Fact.
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    The one thing that struck me was the sight of all those armed to the teeth police looking more like SAS storm troopers ready to go into battle before and during the race yet as well armed as they were they failed to prevent the attack and after it just stood around fiddling with their useless weapons looking utterly useless. What is the point of having all these armed to the teeth police there ? Is it to somehow assure the public ?
    One of your founding fathers, Jefferson I think once said " Those people who give up their liberties for short term freedom deserve neither "
    The way I see it with all the losses of our rights and freedoms they have already won ! and in America it is going to get even worse than it is in the UK.
    Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella
    What is the point of having all these armed to the teeth police there ? Is it to somehow assure the public ?
    The point is that they're a fast responce unit and have to be ready at the drop of an hat. Yes they also reassure the public. As being able to prevent a bombing then they're about as much use as a .......................
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    What is the point of having all these armed to the teeth police there ? Is it to somehow assure the public ?
    The polar opposite: it's a display of state force aimed at intimidation. The same with the all the photos. They serve an immediate end of helping to catch whoever did this but they serve a longer-term goal of getting the public to realise the truth that Resistance is futile. There is nothing you can do. We know everything. If you watch these kinds of events, you increasingly see a public theatre of power being staged around the event - and this is just another act in a show, the longevity of which will put Ray fucking Cooney to shame.
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    Leemo your post #196 ,as regards to the London Transport bombings ,there British Citizen status had absolutely nothing to do with their actions ,in fact if I am not mistaken they made a video before they went about their "task" ,in my view Islamic radicalism poses the greatest threat to civilization as we know it ,as all the acts of terrorism World wide amply proves ,plus the many that have been discovered and "nipped in the bud" , whether this latest atrocity in Boston is part of that ongoing threat as yet is any ones guess ,and as stated previously until such time that the evidence is overwhelming I will continue to have an open mind

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    ^^^^ Franklin said those who give up essential liberties for the sake of temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.

    America is a bees dick away from a national police state and most will welcome it.
    Ever noticed how US agencies seals and insignia look so much like something from nazi germany?
    Patriot Act probably reads similar in powers and extent to whatever act created the Gestapo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    The WTC was attacked twice
    Why?

    Go ahead, shill for the 'good guys'. As a group you are beyond redemption now anyway, unless you take the political power back into your own hands- and that means there would be blood. There is no easy way out any more.
    Bit of a disappointing response to some valid questions. Anyone who offers even a token defence, or in this case, just asks a few pointed questions about the US actions is a "shill"???

    Regardless of what misdeeds or adventures the US may have been involved in or however much you disagree with their ongoing foreign policy; or 'big business" or whatever other leftie favorites you wish to envoke.......do you think that there is any justification for blowing up buildings and slaughtering anyone who happens to be in the neighborhood as a way to redress the alleged wrongs.??... ...and if this kind of redress is indeed fair game....then why complain endlessly about the response.

    If you engage in war against a big military power (declared or not) surely there must be an expectation that said big military power is going to engage in some military responses.....mmmmm and when war is declared, nobody rushes out to re-caluclate the budget items.......and we do hear a great deal about the costs of making war on those who made war on us. i doubt if they have a budget to worry about and it's not a problem for them, politically or otherwise.

    Again, the radicals don't have a budget to over-run...or an electorate to pander to....or any accountability to anybody in fact....and a lot of folks out there in the lunatic fringe don't seem to mind how many people they kill and maime... especially if they are killing Americans or at least Westerners...even.with unlimited fellow Muslims as their collateral damage..... Collateral damage is only abhorrent when it's caused by Americans apparently..???

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    do you think that there is any justification for blowing up buildings and slaughtering anyone who happens to be in the neighborhood as a way to redress the alleged wrongs.??
    You're talking about the US's retaliations here, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Collateral damage is only abhorrent when it's caused by Americans apparently..???
    Perhaps you haven't noticed what thread you're posting on. This is the 9-page thread on 4 dead Americans killed in a brutal bombing, not the 9-page thread on the 55 dead Iraqis killed in a series of brutal bombings on the same day. Wait a second.....where did that thread go?

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    On a a forum with close to 100% westerners posting....many of whom are likely American, why would anyone think a bombing in Iraq (which happens almost daily and for that reason hardly newsworhty any more) get the same level of attention and participation as a bombing in Boston?....which is a somewhat rare event and relatively speaking right in many of our back yards?''

    For many of us here, this is like local news. iraq or any of the other sandy fucked up places you drool over are definitely not local. I expect the folks in Iraq are running more coverage on their local bombings.....it's in the nature of people to do that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    why would anyone think a bombing in Iraq (which happens almost daily and for that reason hardly newsworhty any more) get the same level of attention and participation as a bombing in Boston?....which is a somewhat rare event and relatively speaking right in many of our back yards?''
    As opposed to a good old American shooting.

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    ^^ I should make it clearer: You, you fucking imbecile, are the one incessantly whinging and whining about how everyone hates Americans and that, and let me quote you again, ''Collateral damage is only abhorrent when it's caused by Americans''. You say that on a 9 (soon to be 10) page thread about four Americans killed in a fucking bomb. Are you being intentionally stupid or is it accidental? Do you really think that the existence and tone of this thread shows that that there are people out dancing gleefully across the village fucking green singing ''Four down, three hundred million, two hundred and seventeen thousand, eight hundred and six left to go''?
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    Its worth noting that the Muslims who carried out the London transport attacks also wore Western Sports clothes , one even had a hoodie with New York City on the front . I suppose that it helps them blend in and not to arouse suspictions

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    ^^
    I think koman struck a nerve, which is what he has been trying to do this entire thread.

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    So instead of dealing with the question or attemption to make a debate out of it you revert to the standard lunatic fringe positon of calling people who disagree with you imbeciles or some such bullshit. You accuse me of whining and yet every fucking post of yours is nothing short of blatant hateful anti American ranting.

    You no doubt assume that I'm some American red-neck defending what you consider to be indefencible......I'm not American...shcking eh. I don't always defend America....but I don't automatically revert to your kind of spiteful ranting and bile every time the opportunity arises. I sent you a red back you miserable SOB.....you will be pleased to hear that it's the first one I've ever sent anybody. I don't need to use it as a debating tool like you do. Asshole.....

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    Interesting photo collage..

    Boston Bombing Suspects - Imgur

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    So instead of dealing with the question or attemption to make a debate out of it you revert to the standard lunatic fringe positon of calling people who disagree with you imbeciles or some such bullshit.
    What question? You haven't fucking asked me on, have you, you fucking turd. But here's one for you, shit-for-brains. Does the existence of this thread (a) support your claim that ''Collateral damage is only abhorrent when it's caused by Americans'' or (b) undermine it? A simple question which even a pathetic little wanker like you should be able to answer.
    You no doubt assume that I'm some American red-neck defending what you consider to be indefencible......I'm not American...shcking eh.
    I know. I've had the misfortune of reading your dreadful self-congratulatory little posts before - perhaps you haven't noticed but you do like to talk about yourself in public. I know all about your emigration to Canada and the tax rate when you left and what a hard-working, diligent man you are. And how you wanted to coach your colleagues into saving more money, etc. etc. etc. You repeat this tedious drivel incessantly.
    I sent you a red back you miserable SOB.....you will be pleased to hear that it's the first one I've ever sent anybody.
    Really? Oh no. I'm going to cwy and cwy and cwy.

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    I've just checked and you managed to send me a green. Better luck next time, eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    ^^
    I think koman struck a nerve, which is what he has been trying to do this entire thread.
    Yes, you're probably right. He's just Socal with better punctuation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    Interesting photo collage..
    I say no to these suspects based on that a pressure cooker packed with BB's and other metals would be too heavy to be carried in a shoulder bag. I reckon you'd be talking 15kg easily?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    Interesting photo collage..
    I say no to these suspects based on that a pressure cooker packed with BB's and other metals would be too heavy to be carried in a shoulder bag. I reckon you'd be talking 15kg easily?
    Obviously you are not a backpacker. No problem rucking that weight.

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    Its worth noting that the Muslims who carried out the London transport attacks also wore Western Sports clothes , one even had a hoodie with New York City on the front . I suppose that it helps them blend in and not to arouse suspictions
    Good point. You certainly never see Asian lads in Britain wearing those types of clothes normally.

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    I wonder why the terrorists had the courtesy to detonate the bombs so late? It was far more crowded when the elite runners crossed the finish line two hours earlier, and the explosions might have caused ten times the number of casualties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    I wonder why the terrorists had the courtesy to detonate the bombs so late? It was far more crowded when the elite runners crossed the finish line two hours earlier, and the explosions might have caused ten times the number of casualties.
    Morning prayers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zooheekock View Post
    Its worth noting that the Muslims who carried out the London transport attacks also wore Western Sports clothes , one even had a hoodie with New York City on the front . I suppose that it helps them blend in and not to arouse suspictions
    Good point. You certainly never see Asian lads in Britain wearing those types of clothes normally.
    Thats incorrect, Asian youths quite often wear sports attire in the UK

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    Really? That is indeed shocking and surprising news. Thank you.

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