Two female police officers killed in Tameside attack

**OhOh** · 19-09-2012, 10:10 PM

As clarified above, the suspect was out on bail for a previous incident. Reportedly he is now being "questioned" by the police but was allegedly seen in a pub at the time of the, new, double murder.

As for the response to an "alleged burglary" or more likely somebody squatting in an unused council house. These are daily occurrences in the UK, and in many societies I suspect. To send armed police to everyone would not be tolerated by the citizens in the UK.

**Mr Lick** · 20-09-2012, 12:15 AM

A second man has been arrested in connection with the deaths of two police officers in a grenade and gun attack in Greater Manchester.

The 28-year-old man has been held on conspiracy to commit murder following the deaths of PCs Fiona Bone, 32, and Nicola Hughes 23.

The latest arrest was revealed by Chief Constable Sir Peter Fahy as he thanked the public for their support.

Dale Cregan, 29, remains in custody on suspicion of their murders.

Sir Peter said over 25,000 messages of support had been left on an online condolence page set up by the force.

The unarmed police constables had been sent to investigate what appeared to be a routine burglary report in Abbey Gardens, Mottram, on Tuesday morning when they were attacked.

Sir Peter also revealed that the grenade used may have come from a batch of 12 devices from eastern Europe and they had not all been recovered.

Chief Constable Sir Peter Fahy said the victims' families had shown "great dignity"

He said: "We have made it clear to our officers that the threat is still there.

"This has been a longstanding criminal feud between different outfits in Greater Manchester and the Tameside area."

A gun used during the attack on PCs Bone and Hughes has been recovered from the scene.

**nigelandjan** · 20-09-2012, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Koojo

I find it hard to believe the coppers would allow anyone accused of such a heinous crime against two of their own to walk on Bail.

Can clear that one right up for you K J ,, I heard the report today from the Manchester police explaining he was freed on bail because there was insufficient evidence to detain him any longer .

In the UK the Police are only allowed to detain anyone for a certain period of time without charges being brought ,, true they can ask a judge for an extension for further questioning however after that if nothing firm turns up they are bailed.

**nidhogg** · 20-09-2012, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Koojo

He'll be in solitary somewhere with the coppers taking turns smacking him around.
.

I would bet he is being handled with kid gloves. No way they are going to let anything get in the way of a sucessful prosecution.

Afterwards however.....

**Cujo** · 20-09-2012, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Originally Posted by Koojo

I find it hard to believe the coppers would allow anyone accused of such a heinous crime against two of their own to walk on Bail.

Can clear that one right up for you K J ,, I heard the report today from the Manchester police explaining he was freed on bail because there was insufficient evidence to detain him any longer .

In the UK the Police are only allowed to detain anyone for a certain period of time without charges being brought ,, true they can ask a judge for an extension for further questioning however after that if nothing firm turns up they are bailed.

That was the previous thing.

No way he's being let out on bail for this.
At the time of the murders he was on the most wanted list, he was the subject of a massive manhunt.

Manchester shootings: Police fear criminal gangs may use grenades
Criminal gangs involved in the feud that led to the murder of two female police officers in Manchester are still in possession of grenades and may use them against the police and public, the city’s Chief Constable warned.

Dale Cregan handed himself in after two police officers were killed in a grenade and gun attack
By Martin Evans, Steven Swinford, Sam Marsden, Nick Britten and Ben Bryant10:00PM BST 19 Sep 2012
PCs Fiona Bone and Nicola Hughes were killed in a gun and grenade attack as they responded to hoax burglary call on Tuesday morning.
It was the fourth incident since August in which grenades have been used in Manchester and concern is mounting that the weapons are now being used by gangsters as part of a terrifying escalation of violence.
Chief Constable Sir Peter Fahy said he had issued a warning to his officers that the threat from grenade attacks was still a very real possibility.
At a news conference Sir Peter said: "We are not confident that we have recovered all the grenades, we don't know for certain, so we've made it clear to our officers that the threat is still there.
"I would want that to be the message, this has been a long-standing criminal feud between different outfits in Manchester and in the Tameside area, and that threat is very much there.”

Further details emerged about the murderous attack on the two officers, with one witness claiming PC Bone, 32, had her police issue taser gun in her hand when she was shot.
Her fellow officer PC Hughes, 23, is believed to have attempted to run off to escape the gunman but had a grenade thrown at her before she was shot.
She was seen lying in the road muttering for help, she died later in hospital, despite the efforts of paramedics and surgeons to save her.
One eyewitness said: “I heard a bang that shook the house so I ran out and saw a woman on the floor who I could tell was already dead - there was blood all over her.
“It looked like she had been in a boxing ring. She had a taser in her hand and she was lay by the window of the house. I think that the younger officer tried to run away because she was further away from the house. She was lying there muttering for help.”
The post mortem examination for both officers has concluded they died as a result of gunshot wounds, police said last night.
As colleagues of the two murdered officers mourned their loss yesterday with a minute’s silence, police continued to question 29-year-old Dale Cregan on suspicion of their murder.
Police revealed they had also arrested a 28-year-old man on suspicion of conspiracy to commit murder.
Cregan is also being questioned on suspicion of the separate murders of father and son Mark and David Short earlier this year.
Mark, 23, was shot in the neck while drinking in the Cotton Tree pub in Droylesden, Greater Manchester on May 25.
Police yesterday confirmed that Cregan had been arrested on suspicion of the murder, but had been bailed pending further inquiries, because there was not enough evidence to charge him.
However on August 10, Cregan was suspected of being involved in a gun and grenade attack in which Short’s 46-year-old father David was killed.
The victim was shot on the driveway of his home in Clayton, Greater Manchester, before his assailant threw a grenade under his body as he lay dying.
Nine minutes later two men were caught on CCTV carrying out another grenade attack on a house three miles away. No one was injured.
On the same day officers found a white Vauxhall van close to the scene of the second attack which bore the hallmarks of a grenade explosion inside.
It is not clear whether the vehicle had been booby trapped or if a grenade had gone off accidentally.
Police believe the grenades are former military weapons that arrived in Britain as part of a shipment from the former Yugoslavia and sources have said at least eight grenades were still on the streets of the city.
It is thought yesterday’s murderous attacks on the two police officers and the previous detonations mark the first time such weapons have been used by criminal gangs on mainland Britain.
Conservative MP Patrick Mercer, a former army officer who served in Northern Ireland and Bosnia, said: "These grenades are readily available on the black market and easy to conceal on your person and use.
"We are seeing a move from explosives being used terrorist to being used by criminal gangs, which is extremely alarming.
"It introduces a completely different dimension into protection for police officers. What would concern me is if this starts to be copied by other gangs and individuals."
Sir Peter said the police community across Britain was still struggling to come to terms with the loss of PCs Bone and Hughes.
He said the force’s main priority was to offer support to the devastated families of the two young officers.
He said: “I would like to say how impressed we’ve been by the dignity of these families. Both have said how proud they were of Nicola and Fiona, and how proud those two officers were to serve the public. Both families have separately said that their loved ones died doing the jobs they loved.”
Tributes to the two officers continued to pour in last night with the Queen writing to Sir Peter asking him to pass on her sincere condolences to the families of both women.
More than 25,000 messages of support had also been left on the force’s website last night, something Sir Peter said meant a huge amount to all those who served in the police.
Rank and file officers across Britain also showed their solidarity with many offering to provide cover for their colleagues in Manchester so that as many as possible can attend the women’s funerals when they take place.
Meanwhile at the scene of the attack in Mottram, forensic officers and teams of police continued to painstakingly examine the area as the investigation continued.
Reports from locals suggested that despite being the subject of the biggest manhunt in Greater Manchester Police’s history, Cregan had been on the Hattersley estate for some weeks and had even been seen drinking in local pubs.
The force confirmed that they had carried out a number of armed raids in the area in local weeks following suggestions that Cregan was hiding out there.
But Sir Peter told reporters that there was no specific intelligence to suggest that he was connected to the address in Abbey Gardens where PCs Bone and Hughes were murdered.
Asked whether two unarmed female officers should have been answering emergency calls in the area when Cregan was at large, Sir Peter said: “We make no distinction between male officers and female officers, they do the same job.”
He added: “The nature of this inquiry means we have been making a huge number of inquiries across North Manchester and Tameside and there was clearly suspicion that Cregan was in that area. But we get hundreds of incidents every day in that area and it would be impractical to send armed officers to all of those incidents.”
Last night Home Secretary Theresa May said: “The murders of Pc Fiona Bone and Pc Nicola Hughes were savage acts of pure brutality.
“They have left grieving families and devastated Greater Manchester Police force.”
She pledged to support police in their investigation but again stated government policy was against the routine arming of officers.
“I think we are clear we have a British model of policing that is one that our police very much support," she said.
“I think that routine unarmed policing that goes on in our streets is right. I don’t think this is the time to be calling for the arming of police.”

Manchester shootings: Police fear criminal gangs may use grenades - Telegraph
Does seem odd though, that he would just walk into the police station like that and hand himself in.

**Mr Lick** · 21-09-2012, 07:51 PM

Dale Cregan remanded over Manchester police officer deaths

A man has been remanded in custody after appearing in court charged with murdering two police officers and two men in Greater Manchester.

Dale Cregan, 29, was accused of murdering PC Fiona Bone, 32, and PC Nicola Hughes, 23, in Mottram, Tameside on Tuesday.

He also appeared at Manchester Magistrates' Court accused of murdering Mark Short and his father David.

The prime minister paid tribute to the officers in a visit to Manchester.

Speaking at the Greater Manchester Police Headquarters, David Cameron said he had come to pay his respects.

He said the "whole country was shocked" by the officers' deaths.

Armed police surrounded Manchester Magistrates' Court on Friday morning before Mr Cregan's appearance.

He was remanded in custody to appear at Manchester Crown Court on Monday.

Mr Cregan sat down as he was brought into the dock but got to his feet after he was asked to stand by District Judge Jonathan Taaffe.

Wearing a dark blue sweatshirt, Mr Cregan had also grown a thick beard. He spoke only to confirm his name and date of birth.

Judge Taaffe then read out the eight charges the defendant faces, including that of murdering the two officers.

Armed police were present in court during the hearing

He is also charged with the murders of Mark and David Short.

Mark Short, 23, died from a gunshot wound to the neck after a shooting in the Cotton Tree Inn in Droylsden, Greater Manchester, on 25 May.

His father David, 46, was found dead at a house in Folkestone Road, East, Clayton, Greater Manchester, on 10 August after police were called following reports of gunshots.

Mr Cregan also faces four counts of attempted murder. Three of the charges relate to the pub shooting. The fourth relates to the attack in Clayton.

**dobella** · 21-09-2012, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Gerbil

He was also in Thailand for a month in June.

While out on bail for attempted murders, he was pulled off a plane on the tarmac at Manchester airport on his way to Thailand.
All you living there can be happy this piece of shit never took off.
How the fcuk they let him out after that is mind boggling but hey, this the tolerant UK.

**nigelandjan** · 22-09-2012, 12:12 AM

If ever there was a reason needed for the death penalty to be restored eh ?

Instead the UK taxpayer will probably have to fork out to keep him in solitary for the rest of his days .

**dobella** · 22-09-2012, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

ความสุขในอีสาน Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Frinton on sea and Ban Pak Posts: 5,411 If ever there was a reason needed for the death penalty to be restored eh ? Instead the UK taxpayer will probably have to fork out to keep him in solitary for the rest of his days .

I guess we can be thankful the coward never went into a hospital to kill Nurses and Doctors with his guns and grenades after murdering those 2 unarmed girls.
Beggars belief how sick some people are.

**OhOh** · 22-09-2012, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by dobella

While out on bail for attempted murders, he was pulled off a plane on the tarmac at Manchester airport on his way to Thailand.

Why wasn't he jailed for his possible bail conditions violation, why wasn't his passport revoked. It seem the police either pulled him off the plane in error or they let him go after a bail violation. Which one is it? As I have never been on bail for murder I don't know the types of bail conditions he was under. You may have more knowledge them.

Originally Posted by dobella

I guess we can be thankful the coward

As for for this. He has yet to be tried for anything, let alone convicted.

**dobella** · 22-09-2012, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Why wasn't he jailed for his possible bail conditions violation, why wasn't his passport revoked. It seem the police either pulled him off the plane in error or they let him go after a bail violation. Which one is it? As I have never been on bail for murder I don't know the types of bail conditions he was under. You may have more knowledge them.

They fcking knew he had done done the shootings in Droylsden killing the son but they did not have enought 'evidence' to keep the cnut locked in so he got bail.
While out on bail, NO FCING TAGS then he knows he is up for it so he goes and does his other enemy - Shorts father and then goes running.
British justice at its (?) , yeah well.

**OhOh** · 22-09-2012, 01:39 AM

^Allegedly!

Ah the old insufficient evidence ruse. Looks like to me, at the moment, he is being fitted up, but only a trial will reveal this.

Or are you one of the "posse" riders who just hang them quick?

**Gerbil** · 22-09-2012, 02:05 AM

Seems odd to me that he'd kill the two cops and *then* turn himself in.

Was he expecting them to be rivals coming to get him and killed them 'in error'?

If so after he realised they were cops then turning himself in would have avoided the 'shot while resisting arrest' probable outcome if he went on the run again.

Anyway, it appears he's guilty as hell. It certainly seems there were serious errors made by the police following his earlier release on bail. And the scumbags living on the estate have a lot to answer for as well.

**astasinim** · 22-09-2012, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Gerbil

turning himself in would have avoided the 'shot while resisting arrest' probable outcome if he went on the run again.

I would guess thats what went through his head afterwards.

**dobella** · 22-09-2012, 02:16 AM

^ So strange that he had that much hate in him against people (POLice, Women) that he never even knew.
He knew he was going down for life, apparently him and his 'ilk' had a party the night before this tradgedy happened.
More to come from this when the street opens up a little.

**dobella** · 22-09-2012, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Allegedly! Ah the old insufficient evidence ruse. Looks like to me, at the moment, he is being fitted up, but only a trial will reveal this. Or are you one of the "posse" riders who just hang them quick?

No, i would not want to hang this piece of shit quick.
I want him to suffer in a shithole for the rest of his life - but it wont happen in England.
3 meals a day, warm bed - there are folk in the strret with nothing.
Evil, killing 2 UNARMED female police offficers but i just hope the rest of his prison mates take out his other eye and rape the cnut.

**Mr Lick** · 22-09-2012, 09:48 AM

Manchester police murders: Boy aged 15 arrested

PCs Fiona Bone and Nicola Hughes were killed on Tuesday

A 15-year-old boy has been arrested in connection with the murders of two police officers in Greater Manchester.

Police said the boy, who was detained in Hattersley on suspicion of assisting an offender, has been bailed until next Thursday.

Earlier, Dale Cregan, 29, appeared at Manchester Magistrates' Court, charged with the murders of PC Nicola Hughes and PC Fiona Bone.

Mr Cregan is also charged with the murders of Mark Short and David Short.
PCs Hughes and Bone died after they were called to reports of a burglary in Hattersley on Tuesday.

**dobella** · 22-09-2012, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

A 15-year-old boy has been arrested in connection with the murders of two police officers in Greater Manchester.

It beggars belief doesn't it ?, apparently the police went and took him out of his school when they arrested him.
In my days of school one (1), of my classmates was vilified for attempting a punch on a teacher and he got expelled and a caning.
Oh well, lets look forward to the NEXT generation thanks to the liberal fukcwits running the nation.

**wasabi** · 10-02-2013, 06:38 AM

The trial has started 8th Feb 2013. Cregan was on holiday in Thailand,would be interesting to know where he went and where he stayed. Cregan claims that a Thai policeman punched his eye out. Is there any proof of this in Thailand?

**bsnub** · 10-02-2013, 06:51 AM

So much for gun control.

**Mr Lick** · 10-02-2013, 09:42 AM

^ Unlike the USA this is an isolated case

Dale Cregan 'ordered beer and cigars' before PC murders

Dale Cregan denies murder

A fugitive ordered beer and cigars the night before two police officers were murdered because he "knew it was his last night of freedom", a court heard.

Handing himself in after the officers were shot, Dale Cregan, 29, said he had "done two coppers" because police were "hounding my family", the court heard.

He was already the focus of a national manhunt, Preston Crown Court has heard.

He denies killing PCs Nicola Hughes and Fiona Bone in Greater Manchester last September and two other murders.

Mr Cregan was wanted for the murders of David Short, 46, and his son, Mark, 23, at the time PC Hughes, 23, and PC Bone, 32, were killed.

'I wish it was men'

After the officers were shot in Mottram, Mr Cregan drove to Hyde Police Station and told the counter clerk "I'm wanted by the police and I've done two coppers", the court heard.

He then told an officer "I dropped the gun at the scene and I've murdered two police officers," the jury was told.

Nicholas Clarke QC, prosecuting, said Mr Cregan had said the reason for the attack was that police "were hounding my family so I took it out on yous", before later adding that he was "sorry about those two that have been killed, I wish it was men".

Cregan knew that the officers who attended would have no idea what would be waiting for them” - Nicholas Clarke QC Prosecutor

The court earlier heard Mr Cregan forced his way into a house in Abbey Gardens on the Hattersley Estate in Mottram, the night before the murders of the PCs.

He was drinking and smoking and tried to obtain cocaine because he "knew it was his last night of freedom", the jury was told.

He is accused of luring the two PCs to the house the following day with a fake report of a domestic burglary.

Mr Clarke said: "Cregan had carefully put into place a plan that he knew would ensure that an unsuspecting police officer or police officers would be sent to the door.

"Cregan knew that the officers who attended would have no idea what would be waiting for them."

The court was told he opened the front door and opened fire on the two officers as they entered the front garden.

PC Hughes ran down the path but Mr Cregan shot her in the back just below her armoured vest and she was "immediately paralysed", falling forwards on to the path.

The jury was played the bogus 999 call Dale Cregan allegedly made

"As she was falling or lying flat on her stomach, she was shot three more times," Mr Clarke continued.

He said Mr Cregan had then fired 24 shots at PC Bone, who had managed to draw and fire her Taser stun gun, and hit her between five and eight times.

He discharged 32 bullets as he shot at the two unarmed officers and then threw a grenade at their bodies as he fled, the court heard.

Mr Cregan is the only one of the 10 men on trial accused of the PC killings.

Five other men are also accused of the murder of Mark Short, and three others of the murder of David Short.

'Family feud'

Mr Short was killed in a gun and grenade attack at his home in Clayton in August.

His son, Mark, was shot at the Cotton Tree pub in Droylsden, Greater Manchester, in May as part of a long-running family feud, the court heard.
Anthony Wilkinson, 33, one of those accused of the murder of David Short, told police he "accidentally" fired his gun, the jury was told.

But prosecutors said the Glock's safety features meant this was not possible, adding the shots were "the result of an assassin's deliberate, repeated pulling of the trigger".

Mr Cregan, Leon Atkinson, 35, from Ashton-under-Lyne, Luke Livesey, 27, from Hattersley, Damian Gorman, 38, from Glossop, Ryan Hadfield, 28, from Droylsden, and Matthew James, 33, from Clayton, are all accused of the murder of Mark Short and the attempted murders of three others in the pub at the time. All six defendants deny the charges.

Accused of the murder of David Short are Mr Cregan, Francis Dixon, 37, from Stalybridge, Anthony Wilkinson, 38, from Manchester, and Jermaine Ward, 24.

All four are also jointly accused of the attempted murder of Sharon Hark on the same day, and a single charge of causing an explosion.
They all deny the charges.

Mr Wilkinson is also charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life and Mohammed Ali, 32, from Chadderton, is accused of assisting an offender. They deny the charges.

**Seekingasylum** · 10-02-2013, 02:02 PM

When Cregan is sentenced to his whole life order meaning he will never emerge from prison, a racing certainty, one hopes an enterprising cell mate blinds the moron in his other eye.

That would be a fitting end to what is quite simply another piece of worthless English low end trash: to rot away in total darkness knowing that with every ticking second your stinking carcass isn't ever going to feel the warmth of a woman or the touch of human kindness, to know you will never hear a child laugh again or the sound of the sea or leaves rustling in a meadow arbour on a spring day,to learn day by day that the next day will not differ from the last and each year will fall away as futile as the next and eventually the awful realisation will dawn when you know that in your miserable pointless existence the only thing you will ever truly feel is pain.

That day will come.

**Dillinger** · 10-02-2013, 03:10 PM

^ What a load of crap. This is Britain where he is Gaoled Gent

He will be allowed visits, where he will hear children and feel the warmth of a woman, probably marry one of those nutters that are attracted to his type, there are many.

As for his other eye being poked out, he killed 2 coppers, those scum inside will most likely ignore they were women

As for not hearing the sound of the sea or leaves rustling in the meadow, do you not know about Peter Sutcliffes seaside trip ?

As for the days not differing from the last.......... 2 or 3 times a week, he will get association, thats when they can watch TV, play pool , table tennis and what have you.
He will also be allowed to work in nick, sewing mailbags or working in the kitchens or stores

Sorry to put a dampener on it for you Gent.

He should be hanged IMO

**Sailing into trouble** · 10-02-2013, 04:05 PM

This guy is a complete moron. Nothing can describe the low life that he is. He was king of his castle on the outside. he will have a very rude awakening once he goes in. The thing that he will have to live with each day is that he is a nothing, so he killed 2 female cops, that will not buy him any cred on the inside.

Hanging is too good for him. No let him rot. Life is a very long time when you have nothing to live for. Still have no clue why he did it. If he wanted to kill cops, why not walk into the local nick and do the shooting? In the real sense of the word this guy is mad!!

**Mr Lick** · 10-02-2013, 04:12 PM

With the knowledge of life behind bars he may decide to do a 'Fred West' which will probably be his only positive contribution to society.

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