Thread: Unarmed black teenager was shot by neighbourhood watch volunteer

I think this 28-year old failure really wanted to be a cop, but was obviously unstable.

Mr. Zimmerman had reported a “suspicious” person to 911 a shortly before the encounter, saying a black male was checking out the houses and staring at him. Mr. Zimmerman, a criminal justice major, often patrolled the neighborhood. He had placed 46 calls to 911 in 14 months, for reports including open windows and suspicious persons.

Fucking curtain twitcher.

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Martin is probably one of these innocent youths with a juvenile record as long as his arm.

Do you mean this Trayvon Martin?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/us...n.html?_r=1&hp
". . .Trayvon, 17, a well-liked high school student from Miami with no criminal record. . ."

Keep trying. Racist much?

Brain dead lemming much?

No, I believe I read before the media masturbation really took off Martin had juvenile record that expunged, even if he didn't have a record that doesn't mean he was a thug. I like how the media tries to portray him as a child too with the picture that was probably taken when he was 13, he was 6'3 when he was killed. The media is making a big deal out of this because the shooter was non black. Just yesterday I read about three murders committed by blacks Martin's age in my local paper. One black kid killed a beautiful Bulgarian girl going to some dance school, an old Asia guy succumbed to his injuries a few weeks after being beaten by some black kid at his store, and a black and latino kids on a stolen atv's killed by another black kid.

The story is being manipulaited by the media. The story is being heavily redacted to make Martin look like a saint. It is taboo in the media and public to be critical of blacks and not take their side, them and the Jews are basically untouchables, you don't play on their team kiss your ass good bye. They are basically trying to bully the courts into charging Zimmerman with a crime despite the police belief there wasn't one, just like the Jews did with the octogenarian living in Ohio.

I haven't seen any information regarding the "self defence"

what happened? did the black kid whip out his pack of skittles and wave them around?

Originally Posted by DrAndy

I haven't seen any information regarding the "self defence"

what happened? did the black kid whip out his pack of skittles and wave them around?

Right- how was Zimmerman concerned about "deadly force" or serious injury when he had the gun and is older and possibly a good bit stronger than than the 17-year-old? He was following the boy, which sort of implies that maybe the boy was the one with a possible assault (by an older armed male stranger) to worry about.

Judging by these photos, Zimmerman shouldn't have been too afraid of some wiry kid, unless he has a serious case of blackophobia. Maybe Zimmerman is a midget with a thick neck.

The Situationist had a post on this, reproducing the abstract of a paper published last year.

African Americans face a significant and menacing threat, but it is not the one that has preoccupied the press, pundits, and policy makers in the wake of several bigoted murders and a resurgent white supremacist movement. While hate crimes and hate groups demand continued vigilance, if we are truly to protect our minority citizens, we must shift our most urgent attention from neo-Nazis stockpiling weapons to the seemingly benign gun owners among us – our friends, family, and neighbors – who show no animus toward African Americans and who profess genuine commitments to equality.

Our commonsense narratives about racism and guns – centered on a conception of humans as autonomous, self-transparent, rational actors – are outdated and strongly contradicted by recent evidence from the mind sciences.

Advances in implicit social cognition reveal that most people carry biases against racial minorities beyond their conscious awareness. These biases affect critical behavior, including the actions of individuals performing shooting tasks. In simulations, Americans are faster and more accurate when firing on armed blacks than when firing on armed whites, and faster and more accurate in electing to hold their fire when confronting unarmed whites than when confronting unarmed blacks. Yet, studies suggest that people who carry implicit racial bias may be able to counteract its effects through training.

Given recent expansions in gun rights and gun ownership – and the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of private citizens who already use firearms in self-defense each year – this is reason for serious concern. While police officers often receive substantial simulation training in the use of weapons that, in laboratory experiments, appears to help them control for implicit bias, members of the public who purchase guns are under no similar practice duties.

In addressing this grave danger, states and local governments should require ongoing training courses for all gun owners similar to other existing licensing regimes. Such an approach is unlikely to run into constitutional problems and is more politically tenable than alternative solutions.

The paper can be found at Quick on the Draw: Implicit Bias and the Second Amendment by Adam Benforado :: SSRN

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by DrAndy

I haven't seen any information regarding the "self defence"

what happened? did the black kid whip out his pack of skittles and wave them around?

Right- how was Zimmerman concerned about "deadly force" or serious injury when he had the gun and is older and possibly a good bit stronger than than the 17-year-old? He was following the boy, which sort of implies that maybe the boy was the one with a possible assault (by an older armed male stranger) to worry about.

Judging by these photos, Zimmerman shouldn't have been too afraid of some wiry kid, unless he has a serious case of blackophobia. Maybe Zimmerman is a midget with a thick neck.

That photo of Martin is probably outdated, he was 6'3 when he was killed, that is huge to most people, especially some little ass Cuban. Teenagers grow fast.

Originally Posted by robuzo

^Yes, you "believe" you read something. Was it in a dream? A fantasy that involved you avenging the crimes of "blacks Martin's age"? Basically, what you are saying is that it was OK to shoot that young man because he was black. I'd love to debate this with you further, but not in this format.

I never said it was OK to shoot a young black man, but many, and I mean many young black men are involved in thugish behavior. The biggest issue has moved from the media trying to spin this as a racist murder, to blacks trying to bully the authorities into pressing charges against Zimmerman. This is a scary precedent, real fucking scary.

^I was hoping you'd suggest a different format, say, some quiet place in South Florida with no witnesses. Feel free to wear your white hood, the one with the eye holes cut out.

Cluster fuck from start to finish.

Originally Posted by robuzo

^I was hoping you'd suggest a different format, say, some quiet place in South Florida with no witnesses. Feel free to wear your white hood, the one with the eye holes cut out.

Another internet tought guy, who would most likely wouldn't dare say these things to my face. Most blacks are thugs, male and female, not all are thugs, but enough of them are to keep that im mind when dealing with them. Anyone who has lived in this country with them knows that, it has nothing to do with being a racist, it's just reality. I've heard the same from people who've just moved here from other parts of the world, including black Africans. If I had a gun to my head, and had to decide if Martin was a thug or not, you bet your ass I'm saying he was a thug.

Martin didn't have a gun to any one's head. You're in lala land Gribbs, the kid is dead because the wannabe cop thought just like you do.

Originally Posted by ENT

Martin didn't have a gun to any one's head. You're in lala land Gribbs, the kid is dead because the wannabe cop thought just like you do.

I already said Zimmerman was a wannabe cop, as most people invovled in "town watch" are.

Not all wannabe cops think like you and Zimmerman, though, when it comes to blacks.

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

The biggest issue has moved from the media trying to spin this as a racist murder, to blacks trying to bully the authorities into pressing charges against Zimmerman. This is a scary precedent, real fucking scary.

Do you think this curtain twitcher would have shot a white kid?

I doubt it.

Ironic that today the Florida trial starts of a black kid who shot two white tourists in cold blood.

BBC News - Trayvon Martin: Obama says teenager's death a tragedy


US President Barack Obama has said the "tragedy" of an unarmed black teenager shot dead in Florida should prompt some national soul-searching.
The death of Trayvon Martin, 17, gunned down by a neighbourhood watchman, who was not charged as he claimed self-defence, has sparked outrage.
"If I had a son he would look like Trayvon," President Obama told reporters at the White House.
Rallies have been held this week in Florida and New York to demand justice.
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"I can only imagine what these parents are going through and when I think about this boy I think about my own kids," Mr Obama said on Friday.
"I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans take this with the seriousness that it deserves and we're going to get to the bottom of what happened.
"Every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and everybody pulls together, federal state and local, to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened," he added.
'Turmoil' In Florida, a law known as "stand your ground" can prevent criminal or civil prosecution when deadly force is used in self-defence.
But there have been mounting calls for the arrest of George Zimmerman, 28, who opened fire on the teenager on 26 February in the Orlando suburb of Sanford.
A grand jury is considering whether to charge Mr Zimmerman and will hear evidence on the case on 10 April.
The Department of Justice and FBI have launched a civil rights investigation into the conduct of the local police department.
Looking suspicious Mr Martin was carrying a bag of sweets and a can of iced tea when he was approached by Mr Zimmerman.
The neighbourhood watchman had told a police dispatcher he thought Mr Martin looked suspicious.
It was raining and the teenager had his jacket hood pulled over his head. Mr Zimmerman shot Mr Martin following a confrontation.
The Florida politician behind the state's 2005 "stand your ground" law has said in an opinion piece for Fox News that he did not believe the rule was applicable in the case of Mr Martin.
The law "does not provide protection to individuals who seek to pursue and confront others, as is allegedly the case in the Trayvon Martin tragedy in Sanford", said Republican State Representative Dennis Baxley.
On Thursday, Florida Governor Rick Scott appointed a new prosecutor to handle the case.
He also established a task force led by the the state's lieutenant governor, an African-American woman, to conduct hearings on the incident and recommend any changes to state law.
Hours earlier, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee temporarily stepped down in a bid to defuse building anger that his department had not arrested Mr Zimmerman.
Thousands of people gathered at a rally in Sanford on Thursday evening led by the civil rights leader Al Sharpton demanding justice for the 17-year-old.
More than 1.5 million signatures have been gathered for an online petition calling for justice for Mr Martin.


Continue reading the main story
Analysis Mark Mardell North America editor
These remarks are rare and deliberate, and some will find them controversial. America's first black president rarely gets embroiled in issues of race beyond anodyne comments about civil rights. Just talking about race in the US is potentially politically explosive.
What is often accepted as obvious and common sense among African-Americans can be treated as astonishing and provocative by some whites. The president was roundly criticised in 2009 when he described police as "stupid" for arresting a black Harvard professor outside his own home. Then, as more subtly, now, he was voicing what many black Americans feel: their colour alone makes some whites view them as criminals.
The president's powerful identification with the family of Trayvon Martin will be warmly welcomed by many. But it would be surprising if his opponents don't complain that he is sympathising with people on the grounds of race alone

prick should get a life sentence.

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

The story is being manipulaited by the media. The story is being heavily redacted to make Martin look like a saint. It is taboo in the media and public to be critical of blacks and not take their side, them and the Jews are basically untouchables, you don't play on their team kiss your ass good bye. They are basically trying to bully the courts into charging Zimmerman with a crime despite the police belief there wasn't one, just like the Jews did with the octogenarian living in Ohio.

You really do live in a fantasy world don't you. You really think that the US press would never say anything critical about anyone who is jewish or black?

A society that creates laws that allow and see's no moral crime in killing a fellow human being who is pleading for their lives is a society that has lost the right to respect at any level or even exist.

Come to Sunny Florida for a lovely holiday.

And get shot.

Two British men shot dead on holiday for 'refusing to pay mugger'


Two British holidaymakers were shot dead after they lied to a teenage mugger that they had no money, a court heard yesterday.


Lawyer: Carolyn Schlemmer and Shawn Tyson, who is accused of the murders (Picture: AP)
James Kouzaris, 24, and James Cooper, 25, were killed after a drunken night out – Mr Cooper was shot four times and Mr Kouzaris twice in the back.
They were found without their shirts on, and with their trousers round their thighs. The pair had been drinking after a meal in Sarasota, Florida and were seen ‘staggering’ about.

Prosecutor Ed Brodsky said the defendant, Shawn Tyson, who turned 17 on Monday, was frequently seen carrying a revolver of the same calibre as the murder weapon and a police search of Tyson’s bedroom uncovered a .22 calibre bullet.
James Cooper (right) and James Kouzaris were shot dead while on holiday in Florida (Picture: Facebook)
Mr Brodsky added Tyson had told a witness: ‘He and another male decided to rob them. The victims pleaded with him to let them go, that they were drunk and trying to find their way home.
‘They then tell Shawn Tyson that they don’t have any money.’

The prosecutor added Tyson boasted: ‘Well, since you ain’t got no money then I have something for your arse,’ and shot them both.

Kouzaris, from Northampton, and Cooper, from Warwick, were found dead in the The Courts housing estate in April last year with their money and other possessions still on them.

Public defender Caroyln Schlemmer argued no murder weapon was ever retrieved, the bullet found was not linked to Tyson. He denies murder and the trial continues.

I think there was a thread about that shooting here too.

This thread is useless
its more issues than news,
what happened that caused the young fella to be shot ?

Read the thread.

MKP the thread