Thread: BP trashed unfairly by Yanks?

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Why am I making light of it saying that BP won't be allowed a fair-go if they went on CNN and were interviewed by someone who is obviously biased?

But I hope you will admit BP has just as much of an agenda as does Anderson Cooper. He is what is called an investigative reporter. Not a spokesman for BP.

What do they have to hide? I am sure Anderson would be more than reasonable to BP 's requests about the interview.

Originally Posted by aging one

But I hope you will admit BP has just as much of an agenda as does Anderson Cooper.

Of course.

Originally Posted by aging one

What do they have to hide?

Lots probably, as well as being under a lot of pressure to keep quiet about who really made the monumental fuck-up until a 'deal' can be worked out by the interested parties.

Originally Posted by aging one

I am sure Anderson would be more than reasonable to BP 's requests about the interview.

Yeah, right.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Lots probably, as well as being under a lot of pressure to keep quiet about who really made the monumental fuck-up until a 'deal' can be worked out by the interested parties.

that makes sense.

But if the CEO had balls he would go on and talk. The spill is not affecting England. He does not have to answer if he does not like the questions. Anderson regardless of what you think does not carry a gun on his hip.

Evasiveness is always a poor business tactic. BP are slow learners. Now it looks like it may be as much as 100,000 gallons per day spewing from the leak. They have been trying to surpress the data that shows this.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Evasiveness is always a poor business tactic. BP are slow learners. Now it looks like it may be as much as 100,000 gallons per day spewing from the leak. They have been trying to surpress the data that shows this.

They are worried more about liability than public image; "admit nothing" being the advice of lawyers. That could prove to have been a mistake if protecting BP proves too big a political liability for their protectors in the US government.

Spotted in front of the White House:

^Something has him worried but he's not sure what it is exactly. Free floating anxiety.

This is not the first BP fcukup in the area or in the US. In 2005 their refinery in Texas City had a fire and explosion that killed 15 people.

BP owns 47% of the Alaskan Pipeline and operates it. There have been numerous spills over the past years, many are due to a lack of maintenance.

BP has industry wide reputation for cutting corners with safety and being very unwilling to spend any money they think they don't have to.

There is no doubt that Obama and others are making serious political hay out of this, but BP deserves most of it.

TH

obama just might start a bigger problem, for instance.

BP are responding and trying to solve some of the problems they and others have caused, now the way i see it, is a lot of american companies are involved in key operations in the gulf disaster.

BP are not stupid and will already be ready to apportion blame to others with back up.

BP should be looking at the amazon, S Africa, Asia and the impact american oil and gas companies have had on certain areas, thay have left untold devastation with lasting environmental damage,
In India the impact coke a cola has left the water table near empty impacting on the farmers and livelihoods of the nearby inhabitants.
As mentioned before bhopal, how much in relative terms did carbide pay out for the long long lasting effects of that disaster

BP should go on american tv well prepared with examples of the above and simply ask what are we doing wrong, when we are responding and paying right now and major american companies seem to walk away.

Three quaters of BP's employees are in fact american, 8 of the 15 top directors are yanks, this to me makes me think BP have some amnunition to shut obama down a touch, and to that mind is obama that good, what has he really done since his election to office.

Originally Posted by meepho

In India the impact coke a cola has left the water table near empty impacting on the farmers and livelihoods of the nearby inhabitants.

Shit you are right thats right up there with the gulf diaster. Where in India by the way?

Petro china and other chinese oil companies want to expand by 2020 and have the cash and capital to buy up BP, now how would that be taken by obama and the yanks when china drill in the gulf and take it all back to china.
Obama would appose the take over as would the brits but, it could happen BP are cheap at the moment, and china would not be as responsive to obamas wishes as bp are, just a thought like.

Gent
You are correct of course, we live in times of double standards, spin and hypocracy and the yanks seem to excell in all these fields.

the yanks like dishing the dirt but hate taking it.

Originally Posted by meepho

Those of us who lived through the world's worst industrial disaster do not find it outlandish or misleading to compare Coke's potential legacy in India to that of Bhopal. Thousands of Indians have been affected by Coke's reckless pollution of the soil and groundwater, and so long as Coke refuses to accept responsibility for its pollution as Union Carbide has refused to in Bhopal thousands will suffer. Coke's devastating legacy in India is no small matter not only have thousands been poisoned, but Coke's practices have destroyed the basis upon which thousands of farmers subsist: access to water and fertile soil. Coke's legacy in India resembles Bhopal not only in the sheer number of people affected, but also in the cold and calculating way the damage has been caused: through the double standards in public health precautions and factory construction in India versus the United States. In much the same way that Carbide allowed its safety standards to disintegrate in Bhopal, Coke has not followed its own standards in India. These harmful double standards denigrate the lives and suffering of the people of India, and that is inhumane, unjust, and immoral.

India makes great soft drinks. Sure Union Carbide fucked up to the hilt in Bhopal. But the point you must realize is the Indian government does not give a shit about its own people. The exact same business practices are being done today by Indian companies as well. All for the all mighty buck, pound or rupe.

It was awful agreed but it was not in any way the ecological disaster that has occurred in the gulf.

Its a pity there was no internet when Bhopal occured Union Carbide might have been found to be much more guilty than they were. I bet the guys left over and not dead are happy that its BP and not them in the age of satellite TV and the internet.

When the hell do they plan to stop 100,000 barrels of raw crude a day from coming out or the "Hell Well"? That is the key question. If we believe BP this could be two months from now. 60 days times 100,000 barrels a day, think of the cleanup expense. Which they will have to foot all of.

Originally Posted by aging one

When the hell do they plan to stop 100,000 barrels of raw crude a day from coming out or the "Hell Well"? That is the key question. If we believe BP this could be two months from now. 60 days times 100,000 barrels a day, think of the cleanup expense. Which they will have to foot all of.

What have the US government done to help BP stop the leak?

Genuine question, I don't know that answer myself.

Originally Posted by aging one

Originally Posted by meepho

Those of us who lived through the world's worst industrial disaster do not find it outlandish or misleading to compare Coke's potential legacy in India to that of Bhopal. Thousands of Indians have been affected by Coke's reckless pollution of the soil and groundwater, and so long as Coke refuses to accept responsibility for its pollution as Union Carbide has refused to in Bhopal thousands will suffer. Coke's devastating legacy in India is no small matter not only have thousands been poisoned, but Coke's practices have destroyed the basis upon which thousands of farmers subsist: access to water and fertile soil. Coke's legacy in India resembles Bhopal not only in the sheer number of people affected, but also in the cold and calculating way the damage has been caused: through the double standards in public health precautions and factory construction in India versus the United States. In much the same way that Carbide allowed its safety standards to disintegrate in Bhopal, Coke has not followed its own standards in India. These harmful double standards denigrate the lives and suffering of the people of India, and that is inhumane, unjust, and immoral.

India makes great soft drinks. Sure Union Carbide fucked up to the hilt in Bhopal. But the point you must realize is the Indian government does not give a shit about its own people. The exact same business practices are being done today by Indian companies as well. All for the all mighty buck, pound or rupe.

It was awful agreed but it was not in any way the ecological disaster that has occurred in the gulf.

Its a pity there was no internet when Bhopal occured Union Carbide might have been found to be much more guilty than they were. I bet the guys left over and not dead are happy that its BP and not them in the age of satellite TV and the internet.

When the hell do they plan to stop 100,000 barrels of raw crude a day from coming out or the "Hell Well". That is the key question. If we believe BP this could be two months from now. 60 days times 100,000 barrels a day, think of the cleanup expense. Which they will have to foot all of.

It is not 100,000 barrals, it was 20,000 a day but new investigations this morning put it at approx 30 to 40,000 max,

the ecology will be helped in the best possible way to recover, bama man will see to that,
it seems a shame that the humane cost in india is not held as high as the ecological cost.

Spin and double standards, who knows what the outcome will be.
I think bama man will be made to look stupid for his efforts in this witch hunt for political gain, he has powerfull political enemies and bp have huge cash reserves.
Knee jerk reactions never work.

This was an accident, and there is a response.
coke's problems are not an accident along with no response

I failed to mention in my previous post that BP simply leased the rig from Transocean Ltd which is essentially an American company, as much as any company could be described in nationalist terms given the global nature of any large business enterprise.

If Obama continues his silly tub thumping he may well find more egg will be splattered on a target not of his choosing.

Your neuroses or the facts, Mudmadibs?

Originally Posted by Muadib

The Brits are getting heat because BP is a British company... That and the fact that BP's negligence has caused the worst man-made ecological disaster in the history of mankind... Deal with it...

More a case of we notice it more because it is being directed at us.

As I mentioned on another (or this) thread, it's the US fuckwittery that is amusing me.

I have no political orientation towards the US whatsoever but it is clear to see that Obama has not handled this very well. Has he?

Originally Posted by Muadib

The Brits are getting heat because BP is a British company... That and the fact that BP's negligence has caused the worst man-made ecological disaster in the history of mankind... Deal with it...

It pays taxes in Britain, but who makes up the majority of its board of directors and its shareholders. I have no idea of the answers, but i'm sure that Americans if don't hold the majority of shares or have more than half of the directors certainly have a high % on both accounts.